Re: critical issues

2013-03-26 Thread David Kastrup
"m...@mikesolomon.org" writes: > There are two critical issues that we're going to have to start > seriously thinking about now if 2.18 is going to happen anytime soon: > > https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2733 > > I'm not comfortable ma

Re: critical issues

2013-03-26 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:54 AM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > >> https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2656 >> >> This is really bad. I agree that it is critical. I unfortunately >> have no way to test this, but do people have an ETA for fixing this? >> If not, it will hold 2.18 up for

Re: critical issues

2013-03-26 Thread m...@mikesolomon.org
On 27 mars 2013, at 07:54, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > >> https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2656 >> >> This is really bad. I agree that it is critical. I unfortunately >> have no way to test this, but do people have an ETA for fixing this? >> If not, it will hold 2.18 up for a

Re: critical issues

2013-03-26 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2656 > > This is really bad. I agree that it is critical. I unfortunately > have no way to test this, but do people have an ETA for fixing this? > If not, it will hold 2.18 up for a long time, in which it may be > worth pushing the translate

critical issues

2013-03-26 Thread m...@mikesolomon.org
There are two critical issues that we're going to have to start seriously thinking about now if 2.18 is going to happen anytime soon: https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2733 I'm not comfortable marking this critical: not because it is not critical for Laura, nor beca

Re: no critical issues!

2012-04-07 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Graham Percival wrote: > On Fri, Apr 06, 2012 at 06:04:39PM +0200, m...@apollinemike.com wrote: >> Release candidate anyone?  Or have we already had a version bump?  I can >> build it, Graham, if you're over hours. > > It's already building. Sorry, guys, bad news:

Re: no critical issues!

2012-04-06 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Apr 06, 2012 at 06:04:39PM +0200, m...@apollinemike.com wrote: > Release candidate anyone? Or have we already had a version bump? I can > build it, Graham, if you're over hours. It's already building. I've been trying to build it for the past few days, but I can only do it after bootin

no critical issues!

2012-04-06 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
Release candidate anyone? Or have we already had a version bump? I can build it, Graham, if you're over hours. Cheers, MS ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

Re: critical issues

2012-01-11 Thread Łukasz Czerwiński
Thanks for all answers. On 8 January 2012 23:47, Janek Warchoł wrote: > W dniu 8 stycznia 2012 10:11 użytkownik James napisał: > > Start by looking here: > > > http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/list?can=2&q=&sort=priority&colspec=ID&x=type&y=priority&mode=grid&cells=tiles > > Umm, guys,

Re: critical issues

2012-01-09 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł writes: > According to our motto the aim of LilyPond is "music engraving to > everyone" - i'd say it's a very good goal. It would mean that a > person with average computer skills (like navigating a web browser and > using word processor) should be able to create very good engravin

Re: critical issues

2012-01-08 Thread Janek Warchoł
W dniu 8 stycznia 2012 02:54 użytkownik Graham Percival napisał: > On Sun, Jan 08, 2012 at 01:52:41AM +0100, Łukasz Czerwiński wrote: >> * Let's assume that I would like to help in developing Lilypond, but >>I don't have my own idea, what part of it I could improve. What >>wou

Re: critical issues

2012-01-08 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
On Jan 8, 2012, at 2:54 AM, Graham Percival wrote: > On Sun, Jan 08, 2012 at 01:52:41AM +0100, Łukasz Czerwiński wrote: >> >> Are there some guidelines how to write new code to work in the same >> manner as the already written code? > > We have a contributor's guide. It is not complete, but t

Re: critical issues

2012-01-08 Thread James
Hello, 2012/1/8 Łukasz Czerwiński : > What's the aim of Lilypond? err.. "LilyPond is a music engraving program, devoted to producing the highest-quality sheet music possible. It brings the aesthetics of traditionally engraved music to computer printouts." > And why isn't it competing with Fina

Re: critical issues

2012-01-07 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Jan 08, 2012 at 01:52:41AM +0100, Łukasz Czerwiński wrote: >As for all the emails that were written it the last two days, I believe >that a sort of coordination is needed in each project. We have the amount of coordination that we have chosen. > * Let's assume that I would li

Re: critical issues

2012-01-07 Thread Łukasz Czerwiński
First of all I would like to apologize for misjudging Lilypond project. As for all the emails that were written it the last two days, I believe that a sort of coordination is needed in each project. Maybe for some of them there must be one boss with many programmers and designers, while for other

Re: critical issues

2012-01-07 Thread Janek Warchoł
David, 2012/1/7 David Kastrup : > I really don't quite get the point of complaining that I provide > alternative ways of accessing functionality.  Nobody forces you to make > use of them. 2012/1/7 David Kastrup : > In the light of the focus of the work I have been doing for several > months, I ha

Re: critical issues

2012-01-07 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł writes: > What i want to say is, i'm afraid you might have forgotten how it > feels to be a non-programmer. It's not a joke that for average person > that wants to produce some notation, it's hard enough to use text > input. In the light of the focus of the work I have been doing

Re: critical issues

2012-01-07 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł writes: > 2012/1/5 David Kastrup : >> >> Janek Warchoł writes: >> >>> 2012/1/4 David Kastrup : \layout {   \layout-from { \compressFullBarRests     \override Score.SpacingSpanner #'common-shortest-duration =     #(ly:make-moment 6 10)   }   etc...

Re: critical issues

2012-01-06 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/1/5 David Kastrup : > > Janek Warchoł writes: > >> 2012/1/4 David Kastrup : >>> \layout { >>>   \layout-from { \compressFullBarRests >>>     \override Score.SpacingSpanner #'common-shortest-duration = >>>     #(ly:make-moment 6 10) >>>   } >>>   etc... >>> } >> >> ok...  However - i'm very so

Re: critical issues

2012-01-05 Thread David Kastrup
"m...@apollinemike.com" writes: > On Jan 5, 2012, at 9:14 AM, David Kastrup wrote: > >> "m...@apollinemike.com" writes: >> >>> On Jan 5, 2012, at 1:20 AM, Janek Warchoł wrote: >>> Correct me if i'm wrong, but my impression is that there is no particular direction in which we are goin

Re: critical issues

2012-01-05 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
On Jan 5, 2012, at 9:14 AM, David Kastrup wrote: > "m...@apollinemike.com" writes: > >> On Jan 5, 2012, at 1:20 AM, Janek Warchoł wrote: >> >>> Correct me if i'm wrong, but my impression is that >>> there is no particular direction in which we are going. >> >> I'm sure that other people have t

Re: critical issues

2012-01-05 Thread David Kastrup
"m...@apollinemike.com" writes: > On Jan 5, 2012, at 1:20 AM, Janek Warchoł wrote: > >> Correct me if i'm wrong, but my impression is that >> there is no particular direction in which we are going. > > I'm sure that other people have their pet projects as well. The > ensemble of these projects i

Re: critical issues

2012-01-04 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
On Jan 5, 2012, at 1:20 AM, Janek Warchoł wrote: > Correct me if i'm wrong, but my impression is that > there is no particular direction in which we are going. > I think that it is very difficult to set these goals because different things interest different people. I know that Bertrand and I

Re: critical issues

2012-01-04 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł writes: > 2012/1/4 David Kastrup : \settingsFrom is actually returning a Scheme expression for \with to use. It makes things rather simpler than more complex, even though it constitutes a Scheme expression. >>> >>> Um... i would really love to be able to type >>> \l

Re: critical issues

2012-01-04 Thread Janek Warchoł
Adding Luke to recipients again... (please remember to include him as he's not signed to our mailing lists), 2012/1/4 David Kastrup : > Łukasz Czerwiński writes: >> Regarding all those fragments of Janek's and David's emails: For some time >> I have been observing how bug are being fixed in Lily

Re: critical issues

2012-01-04 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/1/4 David Kastrup : >>> \settingsFrom is actually returning a Scheme expression for \with to >>> use. It makes things rather simpler than more complex, even though it >>> constitutes a Scheme expression. >> >> Um... i would really love to be able to type >> \layout { >> \compressFullBar

Re: critical issues

2012-01-04 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/1/4 James : > hello, > > On 3 Jan 2012, at 22:26, Janek Warchoł wrote: >> I might have given you a wrong impression, i don't think its really >> that bad.  There is some teamwork, but no leader indeed. > > to use an English expression ... poppycock! > > Janek you may have not noticed that the

Re: critical issues

2012-01-04 Thread David Kastrup
David Kastrup writes: > Janek Warchoł writes: > >>>  \layout { >>>    \context { >>>      \Score >>>      \with \settingsFrom { \compressFullBarRests } >>>    } >>>    \context { >>>      \Staff >>>      \with \settingsFrom { \accidentalStyle modern } >>>    } >>>  } >>> } >>> \end{lilypond} >>>

Re: critical issues

2012-01-04 Thread David Kastrup
Łukasz Czerwiński writes: > On 3 January 2012 21:47, Janek Warchoł wrote: > >> >> > I am a TeX specialist, system programmer, Emacs specialist, the GNU >> > maintainer (and a rather pitiful one) for AUCTeX (lytex and itexi >> > anybody? preview-latex for Lilypond?) > > Mmm... Preview for Lilypon

Re: critical issues

2012-01-04 Thread Łukasz Czerwiński
On 3 January 2012 21:47, Janek Warchoł wrote: > > > I am a TeX specialist, system programmer, Emacs specialist, the GNU > > maintainer (and a rather pitiful one) for AUCTeX (lytex and itexi > > anybody? preview-latex for Lilypond?) Mmm... Preview for Lilypond? Sounds like a good start for a real

Re: critical issues

2012-01-04 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł writes: >>  \layout { >>    \context { >>      \Score >>      \with \settingsFrom { \compressFullBarRests } >>    } >>    \context { >>      \Staff >>      \with \settingsFrom { \accidentalStyle modern } >>    } >>  } >> } >> \end{lilypond} >> >> \ph is a music function written in S

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread James
hello, On 3 Jan 2012, at 22:26, Janek Warchoł wrote: > Hi Luke, > > nice to see you joining the discussion :) > > W dniu 3 stycznia 2012 23:06 użytkownik Łukasz Czerwiński > napisał: >>> That's like + from me! >>> In general, i agree that we should think in a more 'release-oriented' >>> w

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hi Luke, nice to see you joining the discussion :) W dniu 3 stycznia 2012 23:06 użytkownik Łukasz Czerwiński napisał: >> That's like + from me! >> In general, i agree that we should think in a more 'release-oriented' >> way ("last stable release was half a year ago, so we should make >> anot

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/1/3 David Kastrup : > Janek Warchoł writes: > >> 2012/1/3 David Kastrup : > >>> LilyPond needs to get into a state where, say, half the >>> engravers are written and maintained in Scheme.  And by "Scheme" I don't >>> mean "Scheme at the level Nicolas can barely handle" but "Scheme a >>> Fortr

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł writes: > 2012/1/3 David Kastrup : >> LilyPond needs to get into a state where, say, half the >> engravers are written and maintained in Scheme.  And by "Scheme" I don't >> mean "Scheme at the level Nicolas can barely handle" but "Scheme a >> Fortran programmer would not have all t

Re: critical issues -- hope you're having fun

2012-01-03 Thread David Kastrup
vs >> > stable? > > Yeah, especially since Carl was *already* making good progress on > the GUB-related critical issues. > >> http://xkcd.com/386/> > > yep. > > Let's cut to the chase: I am an evil semi-overlord. I jealously > guard my ssh login t

Re: critical issues -- hope you're having fun

2012-01-03 Thread James
elease dev after dev release vs >> > stable? > > Yeah, especially since Carl was *already* making good progress on > the GUB-related critical issues. > >> http://xkcd.com/386/> > > yep. > > Let's cut to the chase: I am an evil semi-overlord.  I jeal

Re: critical issues -- hope you're having fun

2012-01-03 Thread Graham Percival
nce Carl was *already* making good progress on the GUB-related critical issues. > http://xkcd.com/386/> yep. Let's cut to the chase: I am an evil semi-overlord. I jealously guard my ssh login to lilypond.org (along with Han-Wen's and Jan's), I am fickle, and I like to play with

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/1/3 David Kastrup : > Janek Warchoł writes: > >> 2012/1/3 David Kastrup : >>> The Learning Guide and the Notation Guide need a complete rereading and >>> reorganization, and it is not like the Extending Guide is in >>> significantly better shape. >> >> I'd like to fix them too, but i don't ha

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł writes: > 2012/1/3 David Kastrup : >> The Learning Guide and the Notation Guide need a complete rereading and >> reorganization, and it is not like the Extending Guide is in >> significantly better shape. > > I'd like to fix them too, but i don't have time for everything i want > :(

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/1/3 Graham Percival : > It so happens that none of these Critical issues are really > fixable by reverting a single commit. > > [...] ok, thanks for this explanation! >> Is finding them an easy (no knowledge >> needed, a complete set of dumbed-down instructions ca

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread David Kastrup
James writes: > Hello, > > On 3 January 2012 12:53, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: >> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: If we refuse thinking about stable releases by taking GUB as an excuse, the grand next stable release that will benefit users of many operating sy

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread David Kastrup
Han-Wen Nienhuys writes: > On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: >>> If we refuse thinking about stable releases by taking GUB as an >>> excuse, the grand next stable release that will benefit users of >>> many operating systems is likely to fall in the class "too little, >>> to

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread David Kastrup
"m...@apollinemike.com" writes: > One in-the-middle approach is to check out package managers that are > offering LilyPond releases. I know, for example, that brew offers a > version of LilyPond on Mac OS X. If we provide a list of package > managers and how-tos for the techno-phobic, that may

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread James
Hello, On 3 January 2012 12:53, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: >>> If we refuse thinking about stable releases by taking GUB as an >>> excuse, the grand next stable release that will benefit users of >>> many operating systems is likely to fall i

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread David Kastrup
Werner LEMBERG writes: >> If we refuse thinking about stable releases by taking GUB as an >> excuse, the grand next stable release that will benefit users of >> many operating systems is likely to fall in the class "too little, >> too late". > > I second David. Given that we develop within a GNU

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: >> If we refuse thinking about stable releases by taking GUB as an >> excuse, the grand next stable release that will benefit users of >> many operating systems is likely to fall in the class "too little, >> too late". > > I second David.  Giv

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
On Jan 3, 2012, at 1:36 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > >> If we refuse thinking about stable releases by taking GUB as an >> excuse, the grand next stable release that will benefit users of >> many operating systems is likely to fall in the class "too little, >> too late". > > I second David. Give

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> If we refuse thinking about stable releases by taking GUB as an > excuse, the grand next stable release that will benefit users of > many operating systems is likely to fall in the class "too little, > too late". I second David. Given that we develop within a GNU environment, bugs specific to

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "David Kastrup" To: "Phil Holmes" No. I have an Ubuntu VM which I use for quick experiments and a very fast Ubuntu PC which I use for full builds. But I support lilypond because I _use_ it for typesetting music on a _Windows_ machine. Take away that abilit

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread David Kastrup
"Phil Holmes" writes: > From: "David Kastrup" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 11:44 AM > Subject: Re: critical issues > >> "Phil Holmes" writes: >> >>> From: "David Kastrup" >>> To: >&

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "David Kastrup" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 11:44 AM Subject: Re: critical issues "Phil Holmes" writes: From: "David Kastrup" To: There is a _reason_ the remaining OSX and Windows based developers a

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread David Kastrup
"Phil Holmes" writes: > From: "David Kastrup" > To: > >> There is a _reason_ the remaining OSX and Windows based developers >> are doing (definitely important) documentation and web site work. >> They are to a large degree locked out and dependent on support from >> surplus GNU/Linux-based deve

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "David Kastrup" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 7:55 AM Subject: Re: critical issues Graham Percival writes: On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 01:03:08AM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival writes: > We could certainly consider droppin

Re: critical issues

2012-01-02 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival writes: > On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 01:03:08AM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: >> Graham Percival writes: >> >> > We could certainly consider dropping support for OSX or windows. >> >> That sort of token solidarity is actually counterproductive: >> if you believe that non-releases le

Re: critical issues

2012-01-02 Thread Graham Percival
ion about which commits caused our currently open > critical regression, does it mean that's impossible to tell or simply > noone tried to find them? It so happens that none of these Critical issues are really fixable by reverting a single commit. - lilypond-book came from a general rew

Re: critical issues

2012-01-02 Thread Janek Warchoł
(sorry for double-post) 2012/1/2 Graham Percival : > On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 10:23:28PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: >> Graham Percival writes: >> > If you are aware of any other issues which fall under the >> > definition (i.e. a reproducible failure to build lilypond from >> > scratch, >> >> On

Re: critical issues

2012-01-02 Thread Janek Warchoł
lect your intentions; they're a bit too vague. And even with current guidelines its always possible to say "i think that we shouldn't make a stable release despite having 0 critical issues, because current master is shabby and we have some major changes going in the codebase&quo

Re: critical issues

2012-01-02 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 01:03:08AM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > Graham Percival writes: > > > We could certainly consider dropping support for OSX or windows. > > That sort of token solidarity is actually counterproductive: > if you believe that non-releases lead to non-users, yes > and you t

Re: critical issues

2012-01-02 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival writes: > On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 10:23:28PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: >> Graham Percival writes: >> >> > This was the result of between 25 to 40 emails in August 2011 on >> > lilypond-devel. A quick scan didn't reveal your name amongst >> > those emails, but we simply cannot

Re: critical issues

2012-01-02 Thread Janek Warchoł
her all examples and separate the whole "accidental problem" into separate, yet meaningful, issues). If you think that i really should attack these critical issues at all costs, let me know and i'll consider it. > We could certainly consider dropping support for OSX or windows. >

Re: critical issues

2012-01-02 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 10:23:28PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > Graham Percival writes: > > > This was the result of between 25 to 40 emails in August 2011 on > > lilypond-devel. A quick scan didn't reveal your name amongst > > those emails, but we simply cannot afford to revisit every policy >

Re: critical issues

2012-01-02 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival writes: > On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 09:59:47PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: >> >> I see the following critical issues: > -snip- >> >> There is, actually, a wagonload of other changes underfoot that does not >> appear quite compatible with relea

Re: critical issues

2012-01-02 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 09:59:47PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > > I see the following critical issues: -snip- > > There is, actually, a wagonload of other changes underfoot that does not > appear quite compatible with releasing a version called "stable" to me. > It

critical issues

2012-01-02 Thread David Kastrup
I see the following critical issues: 2160document LILYPOND_WEB_MEDIA_GIT 2100Patch: CG: explanation of branches for the impatient 1948Windows install clobbered system PATH 1943lilypond after 2.15.8 fails on x86 Macs 1933Lilypond-book requires msvcrt again 1933, 1943, 1948

Re: no movement on Critical issues; 2.16 in Oct ?

2011-07-31 Thread David Kastrup
Wols Lists writes: > On 31/07/11 17:47, David Kastrup wrote: >> Windows 2000 (not NT-based IIRC) does not usefully employ memory >> protection IIRC, so likely Cygwin does not add all too much on top. > > Windows 2000 most definitely IS NT-based. You're thinking of Windows ME, > which is the last

Re: no movement on Critical issues; 2.16 in Oct ?

2011-07-31 Thread Wols Lists
On 31/07/11 17:47, David Kastrup wrote: > Windows 2000 (not NT-based IIRC) does not usefully employ memory > protection IIRC, so likely Cygwin does not add all too much on top. Windows 2000 most definitely IS NT-based. You're thinking of Windows ME, which is the last of the DOS7/Win9x line. Cheer

Re: no movement on Critical issues; 2.16 in Oct ?

2011-07-31 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival writes: > On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 10:26:11AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: >> Modern operating systems don't give your code any leftovers from a >> previous run. That would be a security violation. > > I'm certain that I've seen an uninitialized variable being > 123456789 in some c

Re: no movement on Critical issues; 2.16 in Oct ?

2011-07-31 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 10:26:11AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > Modern operating systems don't give your code any leftovers from a > previous run. That would be a security violation. I'm certain that I've seen an uninitialized variable being 123456789 in some cases, and 0 in others. I sincerly

Re: no movement on Critical issues; 2.16 in Oct ?

2011-07-31 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
Am Sunday, 31. July 2011, 07:45:20 schrieb Graham Percival: > I haven't seen any interest in > http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1732 > This is unfortunate, since it means that we can't have a release > candidate on Aug 01. Without a reproducible test case, it's simply not possi

Re: no movement on Critical issues; 2.16 in Oct ?

2011-07-31 Thread Jan Warchoł
2011/7/31 David Kastrup : > Graham Percival writes: > >> On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 09:42:36AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: >>> Graham Percival writes: >>> >>> > I haven't seen any interest in >>> >   http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1771 >>> >>> My take on this (if nobody is going

Re: no movement on Critical issues; 2.16 in Oct ?

2011-07-31 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival writes: > On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 10:04:59AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: >> But this bug has been reported as occuring non-deterministically even in >> successive runs on the same machine, and there are rather few things >> that can introduce such stochastic behavior (another poss

Re: no movement on Critical issues; 2.16 in Oct ?

2011-07-31 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 10:04:59AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > But this bug has been reported as occuring non-deterministically even in > successive runs on the same machine, and there are rather few things > that can introduce such stochastic behavior (another possibility would > be timer-trigge

Re: no movement on Critical issues; 2.16 in Oct ?

2011-07-31 Thread Trevor Daniels
David Kastrup wrote Sunday, July 31, 2011 8:42 AM Graham Percival writes: I haven't seen any interest in http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1771 My take on this (if nobody is going to protest in the next few hours) is to revert the flawed fix. +1 The original bug fi

Re: no movement on Critical issues; 2.16 in Oct ?

2011-07-31 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival writes: > On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 09:42:36AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: >> Graham Percival writes: >> >> > I haven't seen any interest in >> > http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1771 >> >> My take on this (if nobody is going to protest in the next few hours)

Re: no movement on Critical issues; 2.16 in Oct ?

2011-07-31 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival writes: > On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 09:42:36AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: >> Graham Percival writes: >> >> > I haven't seen any interest in >> > http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1771 >> >> My take on this (if nobody is going to protest in the next few hours)

Re: no movement on Critical issues; 2.16 in Oct ?

2011-07-31 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 09:42:36AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > Graham Percival writes: > > > I haven't seen any interest in > > http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1771 > > My take on this (if nobody is going to protest in the next few hours) is > to revert the flawed fix. I

Re: no movement on Critical issues; 2.16 in Oct ?

2011-07-31 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival writes: > I haven't seen any interest in > http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1771 My take on this (if nobody is going to protest in the next few hours) is to revert the flawed fix. Reason: we get rid of a critical issue. The original bug fixer does not appear

no movement on Critical issues; 2.16 in Oct ?

2011-07-30 Thread Graham Percival
eople have said that they would like to have stable releases more regularly. Some people have expressed a willingness to work on a team, i.e. spending a few hours a week on stuff that (potentially) doesn't interest them in the least, simply to keep momentum. I implore those people to investigate

critical issues

2011-03-20 Thread Graham Percival
Hey guys, I've been busy/distracted/sick for the past week, and I'll continue to be busy/distracted/sick for the next ten days. I'm also fed up with announcing a release candidate and then discovering that there's a known critical issue that wasn't on the tracker a day later. 1) if you're worki

Re: critical issues

2011-01-23 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 10:29:11AM -0500, Boris Shingarov wrote: > The Lilypond project has a very specific set of objectives. There > is a defined set of procedures, a roadmap, a set of criteria of > what is acceptable to go into the codebase, etc. This is true of any (well-organized) project.

Re: critical issues

2011-01-23 Thread Boris Shingarov
e rules, and how big is the problem? Well on one hand, none of today's Critical Issues in Lilypond, are on the list of priorities for our project. So even if we had 20 full-time developers, it wouldn't help with releasing the next stable version. On the other hand, we have implemente

Re: biweekly Critical issues plea

2011-01-20 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
Pushed to Rietveld:http://codereview.appspot.com/4056043 Note that there is a trailing whitespace error on line 47 of the diff. Cheers, MS On Jan 20, 2011, at 5:13 AM, Keith OHara wrote: > On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 01:33:10 -0800, Keith OHara wrote: > >> ... because that fixes 1120 more >> solidly

Re: biweekly Critical issues plea

2011-01-20 Thread Keith OHara
On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 01:33:10 -0800, Keith OHara wrote: ... because that fixes 1120 more solidly and removes the cause for issues 1474 and 1472, Well, reverting ee0488 removes the cause of our /noticing/ issue 1472 (multi-measure rests colliding with key signatures). The way that KeySigs res

Re: biweekly Critical issues plea

2011-01-20 Thread Keith OHara
%{ Fellow Contributors, The patches look like they do the job, and give clean regression tests, but the developers are hesitant. I am not a programmer, and I cannot read minds, but I can tell you what makes *me* hesitant. Look at issue 1120. A lyric syllable covering more than one note spread th

Re: biweekly Critical issues plea

2011-01-19 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 1/19/11 6:06 PM, "Mike Solomon" wrote: > Also works, also passes make check, also attached, also on Rietveld: > http://codereview.appspot.com/4006044 > From Neil's e-mail, it seems that he advocates this solution because "Clefs > are taken into account (shown by the yellow-blue skyline pair) w

Re: biweekly Critical issues plea

2011-01-19 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 1/19/11 6:06 PM, "Mike Solomon" wrote: > Also works, also passes make check, also attached, also on Rietveld: > http://codereview.appspot.com/4006044 > From Neil's e-mail, it seems that he advocates this solution because "Clefs > are taken into account (shown by the yellow-blue skyline pair

Re: biweekly Critical issues plea

2011-01-19 Thread Mike Solomon
Also works, also passes make check, also attached, also on Rietveld: http://codereview.appspot.com/4006044 From Neil's e-mail, it seems that he advocates this solution because "Clefs are taken into account (shown by the yellow-blue skyline pair) when calculating horizontal skylines for NonMusica

Re: biweekly Critical issues plea

2011-01-19 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 1/19/11 4:33 PM, "Mike Solomon" wrote: > Got it. > > Then, here is the state of things: > > 1/6 > Bug is first reported on the bug list. > > 1/7 > Neil reports adding a default 'extra-spacing-height to key signature. > > 1/10 > Keith confirms that this works and that he gets a clean make

Re: biweekly Critical issues plea

2011-01-19 Thread Mike Solomon
Got it. Then, here is the state of things: 1/6 Bug is first reported on the bug list. 1/7 Neil reports adding a default 'extra-spacing-height to key signature. 1/10 Keith confirms that this works and that he gets a clean make check. 1/13 Phil holmes reports the regression on the bugtracker (2.

Re: biweekly Critical issues plea

2011-01-19 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 1/19/11 2:51 PM, "m...@apollinemike.com" wrote: > Graham et all, > > I have read all of the postings and am up to date - I meant "what next" as a > general question to the community in the sense of "would anyone who was > actually involved in the pushing of this commit (Joe - I see your name

Re: biweekly Critical issues plea

2011-01-19 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 1/19/11 2:51 PM, "m...@apollinemike.com" wrote: > Graham et all, > > I have read all of the postings and am up to date - I meant "what next" as a > general question to the community in the sense of "would anyone who was > actually involved in the pushing of this commit (Joe - I see your name

Re: biweekly Critical issues plea

2011-01-19 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
Graham et all, I have read all of the postings and am up to date - I meant "what next" as a general question to the community in the sense of "would anyone who was actually involved in the pushing of this commit (Joe - I see your name associated with it - how much work did you do on it?) like t

Re: biweekly Critical issues plea

2011-01-19 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 04:31:47PM -0500, m...@apollinemike.com wrote: > result of git bisect for issue 1472 > > ee0488f3aa19e0060b6e17c46a4d88cb9d57c489 is the first bad commit > Fix 1120. > > What next? Umm. Next you read the emails on lilypond-devel which have been discussing this fo

Re: biweekly Critical issues plea

2011-01-19 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
result of git bisect for issue 1472 ee0488f3aa19e0060b6e17c46a4d88cb9d57c489 is the first bad commit commit ee0488f3aa19e0060b6e17c46a4d88cb9d57c489 Author: Joe Neeman Date: Fri Jun 18 16:53:17 2010 +0300 Fix 1120. Don't add vertical padding to the skylines that are used for h

Re: biweekly Critical issues plea

2011-01-19 Thread Francisco Vila
2011/1/19 Graham Percival : > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 04:32:21PM +0100, Francisco Vila wrote: >> 2011/1/19 Graham Percival : >> >it's no problem for me to recompile lilypond >> > 30 or 40 times. >> >> Finding a commit out of 40 by git-bisect shouldn't need to recompile >> more than log2(40)=5.32  ,

Re: biweekly Critical issues plea

2011-01-19 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
My bad! I'll take on 1472...gulp... Cheers, Mike On Jan 19, 2011, at 7:29 AM, Graham Percival wrote: > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 06:57:27AM -0500, m...@apollinemike.com wrote: >> I'll take care of 1472, but I need a copy of Valentin's opera. > > Valentin's opera is available as a git checkout: >

Re: biweekly Critical issues plea

2011-01-19 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 04:32:21PM +0100, Francisco Vila wrote: > 2011/1/19 Graham Percival : > >it's no problem for me to recompile lilypond > > 30 or 40 times. > > Finding a commit out of 40 by git-bisect shouldn't need to recompile > more than log2(40)=5.32 , this gives 6 times in the worst ca

Re: biweekly Critical issues plea

2011-01-19 Thread Francisco Vila
2011/1/19 Graham Percival : >it's no problem for me to recompile lilypond > 30 or 40 times. Finding a commit out of 40 by git-bisect shouldn't need to recompile more than log2(40)=5.32 , this gives 6 times in the worst case. -- Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain) www.paconet.org , www.csmbadajoz.co

Re: biweekly Critical issues plea

2011-01-19 Thread Benkő Pál
2011/1/19 Graham Percival : > On 1/19/11, Benkő Pál wrote: >>> I tried briefly looking at the opera a few days ago, but it didn't >>> compile in 2.12.3 or 2.13.46, so I gave up after a few minutes. >>> Finding a minimal example that works in both 2.12.3 and 2.13.46 >>> might be tricky, >> >> tonig

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