On Tue, 2025-02-11 at 11:20 -0500, Saul Tobin wrote:
>
> Look, I more or less agree on all the moral questions here. Big tech is
> evil and not including full history in every reply should be at least an
> automatic setting, But am I going to switch email clients? No, and it's not
> a reasonable e
>> we shouldn’t abandon the standard because it’s difficult to keep it
>>up.
>
> We should abandon the approach when its cost is higher than its
> benefit though. If this is just an occasional nudge, it's fine.
> But if I remember right, I think Werner was talking about
> top-posting (an expressi
Kevin Barry writes:
>> We need to be able to resist Google. You may observe in real time how
>> ready they are to comply with an authoritarian regime: It has long been
>> extremely dangerous how much of a chokehold they have on digital
>> ecosystems. Being complacent with “everyone uses Google, s
Simon Albrecht writes:
> On 09.02.25 17:26, Saul Tobin wrote:
>> In my humble (and I'm guessing unpopular) opinion, collapsing reply
>> history included below an email reply is an expected UI feature given
>> that every email system these days needs to handle messages sent from
>> Gmail.
>
> Goog
Saul Tobin writes:
> I had always thought one of the biggest selling points of FOSS was
> configurability and extensibility. Collapsing or removing the automatically
> included thread history is the sort of job that software should be doing,
> not fallible, habit-prone human users.
When two peop
On 2025-02-11 11:20, Saul Tobin wrote:
what you want people like me to
do if we have something to contribute to the conversation but I'm on my
phone and have 3 minutes.
If the contribution related to a small part of a large message, I would
prefer that a person in this situation wait for a mo
>
> Btw, if I were on my phone, the manipulation necessary to drop the reply
> block would have taken substantially longer than
> typing the message itself.
>
> As Luca
> pointed out, it's not just Google: most of the popular email clients
> behave the same way.
> I think that if this "email e
On Tue, Feb 11, 2025 at 3:52 PM Simon Albrecht
wrote:
> How would I disagree with that? Of course I don’t.
>
I'm sure you don't disagree, there was some rethorics when I said that.
All the same I was also trying to make sure we were talking about the same
thing.
> we shouldn’t abandon the stan
Hi all,
I’m definitely on team “Email Shouldn’t Include Every Word Ever Written In A
Thread”…
> We have mailing list archives in order to preserve reply history, and an
> “expected UI feature” for mailing software would be the ability to display an
> email as part of a thread, or conversation.
On 11.02.25 15:50, Kevin Barry wrote:
Please let's not turn this into a political discussion. As Luca
pointed out, it's not just Google: most of the popular email clients
behave the same way.
It is a political discussion, and has been before my contribution.
Things are interconnected.
There
On 11.02.25 15:48, Luca Fascione wrote:
people and their ideas and their hearts are a higher priority
than the form in which they present their ideas.
How would I disagree with that? Of course I don’t.
The whole matter is not a black-and-white thing, and compromise is
necessary. But it’s very
> We need to be able to resist Google. You may observe in real time how
> ready they are to comply with an authoritarian regime: It has long been
> extremely dangerous how much of a chokehold they have on digital
> ecosystems. Being complacent with “everyone uses Google, so let’s have
> it their wa
Maybe. But it was just an example.
In my view, if a person on this last has something interesting to say and
only 3 minutes to say it,
it should be our priority to take in their contribution vs quibbling over
the form they present their contribution in
(obviously within reason).
I guess my perspe
On 11.02.25 15:07, Luca Fascione wrote:
Btw, if I were on my phone, the manipulation necessary to drop the
reply block would have taken substantially longer than
typing the message itself.
Then you need to get a different mail client to install on your phone (I
think K-9 Mail should be good f
I've said this before. On this issue I agree with Saul.
Email was used in a different way in the past.
It was certainly a substantially more byte-efficient way that what is
currently done.
However the vast majority of email use is now gmail or outlook (and outlook
is _far_ worsem their reply manag
On 09.02.25 17:26, Saul Tobin wrote:
In my humble (and I'm guessing unpopular) opinion, collapsing reply history
included below an email reply is an expected UI feature given that every
email system these days needs to handle messages sent from Gmail.
Google is doing a lot of things that don’t
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