Re: sections done

2007-09-14 Thread John Mandereau
Le vendredi 14 septembre 2007 à 13:26 -0700, Graham Percival a écrit : > Ok, I think we've reached the point of diminishing returns. The latest > sectioning is pretty solid. There will still be a few problems, but > we'll tackle those when we investigate each section individually. I > don't t

Please freeze doc changes

2007-09-14 Thread John Mandereau
Hi, Please don't push any change to Documentation/user on master branch, so that translators can update the translations before we create a new branch for rearranging doc sections. I hope this freezing won't last more than two or three says. Cheers, Your translations meister -- John Mandereau <

sections done (addition)

2007-09-14 Thread Graham Percival
Sorry, I forgot one step: - In the *notation chapters, replace all @node Foo @subsection Foo with @anchor Foo @unnumberedsubsubsec Foo - add @node Bar @subsection Bar for all the new subsections. Cheers, - Graham ___

Re: Logo for Lilypond

2007-09-14 Thread Jonas Nyström
Reinhold: - -) PDF quality should really look PDF-quality (i.e. proper antialiasing of > the > slur and beam. Currently you can see the pixels) Now we're talking..! - -) in edicational use, maybe add parts of a baloon help, a larger note > head, > colors and the pitch names as note heads? Abs

Re: Logo for Lilypond

2007-09-14 Thread Juergen Reuter
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007, Jonas Nystr�m wrote: As I reviewed the website, I thought that perhaps something as simple as replacing the photograph of the pond with a beautifully-engraved piece of complex music might improve the first impression. Carl Sorensen Exactly! The site should communicate t

Re: sections done

2007-09-14 Thread Kieren MacMillan
I'll start preparing guidelines for the trivial/easy helpers. BTW, if anybody has a snazzy name for them, I'd love to hear it. Factotum? =) Cheers, Kieren. ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org

Re: Logo for Lilypond

2007-09-14 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Freitag, 14. September 2007 schrieb Jonas Nyström: > Why not doing that the first seconds a new visitor reaches the site, using > nice and clarifying graphics? > Right now, you have to search to find examples that make that clear. > > Well, I guess

Re: Logo for Lilypond

2007-09-14 Thread Jonas Nyström
> > As I reviewed the website, I thought that perhaps something as simple as > replacing the photograph of the pond with a beautifully-engraved piece of > complex music might improve the first impression. > > Carl Sorensen > Exactly! The site should communicate the unique qualities and possibilite

sections done

2007-09-14 Thread Graham Percival
Ok, I think we've reached the point of diminishing returns. The latest sectioning is pretty solid. There will still be a few problems, but we'll tackle those when we investigate each section individually. I don't think it's worth holding up the main part of GDP any more. John, could you do

Re: Correction to the Program usage

2007-09-14 Thread Graham Percival
Till Rettig wrote: I would suggest to remove lines 46 to 48 from Documentation/user/setup.itely. They are repetition of two lines earlier. I don't think that this repetition is harmful; some OSX users are very unfamiliar with unix, so pointing this out could be useful for some of them. Ch

Correction to the Program usage

2007-09-14 Thread Till Rettig
Hi, I would suggest to remove lines 46 to 48 from Documentation/user/setup.itely. They are repetition of two lines earlier. Greetings Till ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

lyrics auto - extender?

2007-09-14 Thread Wilbert Berendsen
When adding lyrics to a voice, lilypond recognizes melisma's and tied notes, etc. and aligns syllabes accordingly. Wouldn't it be possible to automagically add extenders where the syllabe is visually shorter than the melisma or tied note? Now I have to manually add extenders (` __ ') and they s

Re: GDP: fourth rearrangement

2007-09-14 Thread Graham Percival
Valentin Villenave wrote: 2007/9/14, Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Err... why? What's the difference between looking at a list of markup commands in section 8.1.8 or 1.8.3 or Appendix M ? There's none. Appendix aren't meant to contain daily vital stuff, that's all :) What, like a li

Re: GDP: six

2007-09-14 Thread Graham Percival
Valentin Villenave wrote: 2007/9/14, Juergen Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Ancient notation _could_ be split genre-wise into two separate chunks "Gregorian Chant" and "Mensural Notation". However, for a _reference_ manual, I think it is ok as it currently is (e.g. having a single section on liga

Re: GDP: fourth rearrangement

2007-09-14 Thread Neil Puttock
On 9/14/07, Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Neil Puttock wrote: > > On 9/14/07, *Graham Percival* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > wrote: > > > No; we should use "staff" and "staves". One of the instructions for > the > > Trivial/Easy will be to fix any suc

Re: GDP: fourth rearrangement

2007-09-14 Thread Valentin Villenave
2007/9/14, Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Err... why? What's the difference between looking at a list of markup > commands in section 8.1.8 or 1.8.3 or Appendix M ? There's none. Appendix aren't meant to contain daily vital stuff, that's all :) > I mean, yes, we plan on improving all se

Re: GDP: fourth rearrangement

2007-09-14 Thread Graham Percival
Neil Puttock wrote: On 9/14/07, *Graham Percival* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: No; we should use "staff" and "staves". One of the instructions for the Trivial/Easy will be to fix any such mistakes. Hmm... I'm detecting a distinctly American bias here. As a

Re: GDP: six

2007-09-14 Thread Valentin Villenave
2007/9/14, Juergen Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Ancient notation _could_ be split genre-wise into two separate chunks > "Gregorian Chant" and "Mensural Notation". However, for a _reference_ > manual, I think it is ok as it currently is (e.g. having a single section > on ligatures rather than sep

Re: GDP: fourth rearrangement

2007-09-14 Thread Neil Puttock
On 9/14/07, Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Mats Bengtsson wrote: > > - You have a much better feeling for the English language than I do, but > > do you think that we should keep the current mixture of "staff" and > > "stave" > > to denote the same thing, for example in the subsec

Re: GDP: six

2007-09-14 Thread Graham Percival
Jean-Charles Malahieude wrote: Just one question: due to the alignement and their "timing effect", wouldn't it be judicious to move the "grace notes" to the "1.2.6 Special rhythmic concerns", at least through a link? Of course we'll have @seealso links everywhere in the manual. That's not a

Re: GDP: fourth rearrangement

2007-09-14 Thread Graham Percival
Valentin Villenave wrote: 2007/9/14, Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: As Valentin said; the markup commands are even more of a reference. Hmm... actually, what about moving these into an Appendix? Agreed, but if we do, we'll have to improve the actual markup manual section, so that users

Re: GDP: fourth rearrangement

2007-09-14 Thread Valentin Villenave
2007/9/14, Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > As Valentin said; the markup commands are even more of a reference. > Hmm... actually, what about moving these into an Appendix? Agreed, but if we do, we'll have to improve the actual markup manual section, so that users only exceptionally have to

Re: GDP: six

2007-09-14 Thread Jean-Charles Malahieude
Le 14.09.2007 17:23, Graham Percival disait : http://lilypondwiki.tuxfamily.org/index.php?title=Doc Sounds very promising. I like this progressive discovery. Just one question: due to the alignement and their "timing effect", wouldn't it be judicious to move the "grace notes" to the "1.2.6

Re: GDP: fourth rearrangement

2007-09-14 Thread Graham Percival
Mats Bengtsson wrote: - You have a much better feeling for the English language than I do, but do you think that we should keep the current mixture of "staff" and "stave" to denote the same thing, for example in the subsection titles within "Staff notation"? No; we should use "staff" and "s

Re: GDP: six

2007-09-14 Thread Juergen Reuter
Just for the record: Ancient notation _could_ be split genre-wise into two separate chunks "Gregorian Chant" and "Mensural Notation". However, for a _reference_ manual, I think it is ok as it currently is (e.g. having a single section on ligatures rather than separate ones per genre). For a

Re: GDP: fifth arrangement

2007-09-14 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Trevor (et al), Does anyone else get this feeling (in English), ie, that vocal music isn't really instrumental music? No... to me, "vocal music" (as opposed to "choral music") is a SUPERSET or EXTENSION of instrumental music -- i.e., it almost always incorporates a vocal line PLUS an instr

Re: GDP: six

2007-09-14 Thread Valentin Villenave
2007/9/14, Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > http://lilypondwiki.tuxfamily.org/index.php?title=Doc To me, it's the one. :) V.V. ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

Re: GDP: fifth arrangement

2007-09-14 Thread Trevor Bača
On 9/14/07, Reinhold Kainhofer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Am Freitag, 14. September 2007 schrieb Trevor Bača: > > How about this slight reshuffling for the second "box"? > > > > o 1.8 Chord names > > o 1.9 Piano music > > o 1.10 Percussion > > o 1.11 Guitar > >

Re: fourth rearrangement

2007-09-14 Thread Graham Percival
Trevor Daniels wrote: Do you plan to have links pointing to the substantive section from other sections in which people might look? For example, I might look under 1.2.1 Writing rhythms for grace notes and it would be useful to find there a link saying grace notes are to be found under 1.3.3 Ot

GDP: six

2007-09-14 Thread Graham Percival
http://lilypondwiki.tuxfamily.org/index.php?title=Doc ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

Re: GDP: fifth arrangement

2007-09-14 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
Am Freitag, 14. September 2007 schrieb Trevor Bača: > How about this slight reshuffling for the second "box"? > > o 1.8 Chord names > o 1.9 Piano music > o 1.10 Percussion > o 1.11 Guitar > o 1.12 Other instrument-specific notation > o 1.14 Anci

Re: GDP: fifth arrangement

2007-09-14 Thread Trevor Bača
On 9/14/07, Trevor Bača <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 9/14/07, Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://lilypondwiki.tuxfamily.org/index.php?title=Doc > > > > General notes: > > - we're only dealing with the Notation Reference now. I want to get > > this finalized so we can start th

Re: Two simple ideas Re: Logo for Lilypond

2007-09-14 Thread Francisco Vila
El Fri, 14 de Sep de 2007, a las 03:38:40PM +0200, Jan Nieuwenhuizen dijo: > Francisco Vila writes: > > > Here are a couple of drafts, use them as you like. > > > > circles > > (png) http://www.paconet.org/lilypond-translation-es/rect12059.png > > (inkscape) http://www.paconet.org/lilypond-transla

Re: GDP: fifth arrangement

2007-09-14 Thread Trevor Bača
On 9/14/07, Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://lilypondwiki.tuxfamily.org/index.php?title=Doc > > General notes: > - we're only dealing with the Notation Reference now. I want to get > this finalized so we can start the real work, so things like Titles / > page formatting / changi

Re: Logo for Lilypond

2007-09-14 Thread Trevor Bača
On 9/14/07, Carl D. Sorensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Jonas Nyström [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:45 PM > > To: Juergen Reuter > > Cc: Rune Zedeler; lilypond-devel@gnu.org > > Subject: Re: Logo for Lilypond > > > >

Re: GDP: fourth rearrangement

2007-09-14 Thread Trevor Bača
On 9/14/07, Valentin Villenave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2007/9/14, Mats Bengtsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > - In Rhythms, I would like to rearrange the order a bit, to put the most > > common aspects at the top. For example: > > Yes, this is precisely what I thought when I first read your pl

GDP: fifth arrangement

2007-09-14 Thread Graham Percival
http://lilypondwiki.tuxfamily.org/index.php?title=Doc General notes: - we're only dealing with the Notation Reference now. I want to get this finalized so we can start the real work, so things like Titles / page formatting / changing defaults / etc will be dealt with later. - stuff from th

Re: Two simple ideas Re: Logo for Lilypond

2007-09-14 Thread Francisco Vila
El Fri, 14 de Sep de 2007, a las 01:38:18PM +0200, Werner LEMBERG dijo: > > circles > > (png) http://www.paconet.org/lilypond-translation-es/rect12059.png > > (inkscape) http://www.paconet.org/lilypond-translation-es/logo5.svg > > This is quite nice! However, I'm not completely happy with the > c

Re: Two simple ideas Re: Logo for Lilypond

2007-09-14 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Francisco Vila writes: > Here are a couple of drafts, use them as you like. > > circles > (png) http://www.paconet.org/lilypond-translation-es/rect12059.png > (inkscape) http://www.paconet.org/lilypond-translation-es/logo5.svg Wow, this is very nice. I'm just wondering if some perspective view o

RE: Logo for Lilypond

2007-09-14 Thread Carl D. Sorensen
> -Original Message- > From: Jonas Nyström [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:45 PM > To: Juergen Reuter > Cc: Rune Zedeler; lilypond-devel@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Logo for Lilypond > > Hmm... > > The logo, the graphical identity and the program name are a

Re: Logo for Lilypond

2007-09-14 Thread Jonas Nyström
Hi Graham! > I'm not offended, but I find this complaint totally irrational. What's > so professional about calling your computer company "Apple" or "Sun"? > Does a piece of fruit or a celestial body have anything to do with > operating systems? Does "google" sound like anything other than a >

Re: Two simple ideas Re: Logo for Lilypond

2007-09-14 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> circles > (png) http://www.paconet.org/lilypond-translation-es/rect12059.png > (inkscape) http://www.paconet.org/lilypond-translation-es/logo5.svg This is quite nice! However, I'm not completely happy with the colours. BTW, the right circle has a small `edge' at the top; at least it appears so

Two simple ideas Re: Logo for Lilypond

2007-09-14 Thread Francisco Vila
Here are a couple of drafts, use them as you like. rectangle (png) http://www.paconet.org/lilypond-translation-es/text6108.png (inkscape) http://www.paconet.org/lilypond-translation-es/logo4.svg circles (png) http://www.paconet.org/lilypond-translation-es/rect12059.png (inkscape) http://www.pacon

RE: fourth rearrangement

2007-09-14 Thread Trevor Daniels
Hi Graham > > Based on the feedback, it seems that most users > would vastly prefer > something like this? > http://lilypondwiki.tuxfamily.org/index.php?title=Doc > I like this layout; the criterion being whether I would look in the right section for the answers to questions. I especially like

Re: Logo for Lilypond

2007-09-14 Thread Erlend Aasland
Hi On 14. sep. 2007, at 01.42, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: 2007/9/13, Jonas Nyström <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: To me, the nice little happy note does *not* give an association to the professional level that Lilypond represents! I totally agree. I tried to make a stylish logo for my deceased company

Re: GDP: fourth rearrangement

2007-09-14 Thread Valentin Villenave
2007/9/14, Mats Bengtsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > - In Rhythms, I would like to rearrange the order a bit, to put the most > common aspects at the top. For example: Yes, this is precisely what I thought when I first read your plan Graham; that's almost funny to find a long list of more and more

Re: GDP: fourth rearrangement

2007-09-14 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Looks great! A few minor details: - In Rhythms, I would like to rearrange the order a bit, to put the most common aspects at the top. For example: 1.2 Rhythms 1.2.1 Writing rhythms + Durations + Augmentation dots + Tuplets