Re: [License-discuss] [Non-DoD Source] Re: "Fairness" vs. mission objectives

2020-02-26 Thread Nigel T
There was a small but vocal effort that successfully stopped NOSA 3.0 despite it fixing issues in NOSA 2.0. The claim was that the problematic clause(s) failed the OSD and were unnecessary even though government lawyers thought it was necessary. These clauses, of course, exist in NOSA 2.0.

Re: [License-discuss] [Non-DoD Source] Re: "Fairness" vs. mission objectives

2020-02-26 Thread Karan, Cem F CIV USARMY CCDC ARL (USA) via License-discuss
What about NOSA 3.0? Thanks, Cem Karan —- Other than quoted laws, regulations or officially published policies, the views expressed herein are not intended to be used as an authoritative state of law nor do they reflect official positions of the U.S. Army, Department of Defense or U.S. Govern

Re: [License-discuss] [Non-DoD Source] Re: "Fairness" vs. mission objectives

2020-02-26 Thread Nigel T
There is a significant difference between deprecating and decertification. A deprecated api can still be used. One removed (aka decertified) cannot. The bar for decertification should be exceedingly high. And how is “bad” decided? Is the limited patent clause in ECL v2 “bad” because it doe

Re: [License-discuss] [Non-DoD Source] Re: "Fairness" vs. mission objectives

2020-02-26 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Nigel T : > There is a significant difference between deprecating and decertification. > > A deprecated api can still be used. One removed (aka decertified) cannot. > > The bar for decertification should be exceedingly high. > > And how is “bad” decided? Is the limited patent clause in ECL

Re: [License-discuss] [Non-DoD Source] Re: "Fairness" vs. mission objectives

2020-02-25 Thread John Cowan
I agree on all points except rejecting new projects. We don't accept projects, so we don't reject them. We could ask forges to remove the license from their list of choices for new projects. On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 10:36 AM Karan, Cem F CIV USARMY CCDC ARL (USA) via License-discuss wrote: > Er

Re: [License-discuss] [Non-DoD Source] Re: "Fairness" vs. mission objectives

2020-02-25 Thread Karan, Cem F CIV USARMY CCDC ARL (USA) via License-discuss
Eric S. Raymond wrote on Monday, February 24, 2020 2:10 PM > > Simon Phipps : > > What I'd propose here is that we explore a process for deprecation of > > licenses by someone other than the license steward. Maybe it would > > start with a substantiated request endorsed by several regular list >