This is the classic XKCD comic "How Standards Proliferate" (
https://xkcd.com/927/).
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On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 8:39 PM Pamela Chestek <
pamela.ches...@opensource.org> wrote:
>
> On 5/15/2020 11:13 AM, Tobie Langel wrote:
>
> I don't think there's an easy way to suggest wording changes to the
> website without pestering Patrick, is there?
>
> I
On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:55 PM Richard Fontana wrote:
> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 10:28 AM Tobie Langel
> wrote:
> > The license review process[1] states that you need to have "appropriate
> standing" to submit a license review request.
> >
> > What does t
On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:27 PM Tobie Langel wrote:
> The license review process[1] states that you need to have "appropriate
> standing" to submit a license review request.
>
> What does that term mean and where is it defined?
>
> Could we either define it on
Hi folks,
The license review process[1] states that you need to have "appropriate
standing" to submit a license review request.
What does that term mean and where is it defined?
Could we either define it on the same page or remove this requirement
altogether?
Best,
--tobie
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[1]: https://op
On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 8:20 AM Josh Berkus wrote:
> On 4/25/20 7:43 PM, Mark Atwood wrote:
> > Almost all the sample, reference, teaching, documentation, and "blog"
> code published by Amazon is MIT-0. Except for the stuff for Alexa and for
> Lambda, and I'm hoping that changes. We like MIT-
On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 20:03 Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> For the
> suggested use case, I’d say CC0 may be better, especially as
> it’s not a work licence but licences the ability to licence
> the work, so any recipient can licence the work under any OSI-
> approved (or not, I guess) licence. Might
Thank you all for your thoughtful comments and great pointers.
Let me know, Mark, if I can help draft the proposal. I have zero experience
doing so, but at least it's fitting given the license name. :)
And please feel free to copy me on the submission. I'll be happy to add my
use case provided my
Hi all,
The MIT-0 license[1] is an MIT license with the attribution clause removed.
It has notably been used to license example and scaffolding code.
It doesn’t look that it has been approved by the OSI. I couldn’t find it on
the licenses page[2].
I imagine that is has been discussed on license-
On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 4:26 PM Russell McOrmond
wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 9:18 AM Tobie Langel wrote:
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>> I've pointed to a twitter poll answered by 1200 people and a blog post
>> of a fairly influential figure in the web space as evidence of interest in
>
On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 1:13 AM Nigel T wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 7:03 PM Tobie Langel wrote:
>
>>
>> I’m not arguing this point of view. I’m reporting on a point of view
>> commonly held within the community.
>>
>
> Repeated assertion doesn't
On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 3:01 AM Gil Yehuda via License-discuss <
license-discuss@lists.opensource.org> wrote:
> Tobie,
> It was my intent to convey a message with good faith. But to use humor to
> make a point. I think there are serious issues in the world. The appeal to
> human rights, genocide (
On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 00:18 McCoy Smith wrote:
> *From:* Tobie Langel
> *Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2020 3:43 PM
> *To:* license-discuss@lists.opensource.org; mc...@lexpan.law
> *Subject:* Re: [License-discuss] How can we as a community help empower
> authors outside license agr
On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 00:00 Gil Yehuda via License-discuss <
license-discuss@lists.opensource.org> wrote:
> Tobie
> One day my grandchild will ask me "what did you do to fight genocide in
> your day?" I hope to be able to give a better answer than "I helped make
> sure to put an anti-genocide cl
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 21:16 Nigel T wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 12:44 PM Tobie Langel
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I believe that to many open source practitioners, the meaning of open
>> source is much broader than the OSD. For example, Ethan Marcotte coined the
>>
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 22:45 McCoy Smith wrote:
> *On Behalf Of *Tobie Langel
> *Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2020 9:55 AM
>
> I agree. Currently section 5 and 6 are vague (in particular the term
> "field of endeavor") and imho an ethical licenses could be written tha
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 19:47 Russell McOrmond
wrote:
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 12:25 PM Tobie Langel
> wrote:
>
>> The open source community is the community of people that contributes
>> code, documentation, tests, policy, etc. to open source projects and/or
>>
Thanks for your comments, Gil.
A few tentative answers inline.
On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 7:43 PM Gil Yehuda via License-discuss <
license-discuss@lists.opensource.org> wrote:
> > I believe that to many open source practitioners, the meaning of open
> source is much broader than the OSD.
>
> It's e
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 5:17 PM Russell McOrmond
wrote:
> There is such a large focus on whether the OSD can be changed -- I believe
> it can, and when necessary should. I think it is obvious that I don't
> believe this is one of those times, except if we decide to possibly add
> clarity to the
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 2:00 PM Russell McOrmond
wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 12:24 PM Tobie Langel
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I wasn't clear enough, sorry. I believe the OSI should seek to be
>> broadly representative of the overall open source community and the broa
On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 2:18 PM Jim Jagielski wrote:
> > On Mar 18, 2020, at 12:46 PM, Brian Behlendorf
> wrote:
> > Any long term community or institution unwilling to occasionally
> reconsider any of its core principles is one doomed to eventual
> irrelevance. The U.S. Constitution has been su
On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 5:17 PM Gil Yehuda via License-discuss <
license-discuss@lists.opensource.org> wrote:
> I'd like to learn if either is in play as a motivation, or if it is
> something else. Perhaps someone with insight into and speaks on behalf of
> the Ethical Source Movement can help cla
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 18:41 McCoy Smith wrote:
> So the claim that Josh or anyone from OSI has the ability to give better
> data than that which the election results page shows everyone (or at least
> everyone eligible to vote) would seem to be false.
>
Just to clarify, that wasn't a claim. It
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 3:51 PM Russell Nelson wrote:
> On 3/17/20 6:14 PM, Tobie Langel wrote:
>
> If OSI is to be the custodian of open source, it needs to be
> representative of the open source community at large. Not based on a winner
> takes model, which is, by
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 3:32 PM Gil Yehuda via License-discuss <
license-discuss@lists.opensource.org> wrote:
> I don't understand the point that you are trying to make in your recent
> posts (about how the OSI election works and how the "winner takes" model is
> not representative of voter sentim
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 09:52 Henrik Ingo wrote:
> But why would you sum up Coraline and Tobie? The most likely explanation
> is that the same set of people (11%) voted for both of them, if they wanted
> to support ethical source.
>
Summing up those two numbers indeed doesn't make sense. As, afa
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 02:11 Russell Nelson wrote:
> The fact that "ethical" software has no place at OSI? Well, it doesn't. If
> it did, then she would have been elected.
>
With all due respect, I really feel like this is the wrong framing. If the
OSI wants to be representative of the open so
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 14:22 Russell Nelson wrote:
On 3/18/20 4:51 AM, Henrik Ingo wrote:
> > But why would you sum up Coraline and Tobie?
>
> Because Coraline is trying to bolster Coarline's poor showing in the OSI
> elections by double-counting the 11% of OSI membership who voted for
> both Co
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 23:48 Gil Yehuda via License-discuss <
license-discuss@lists.opensource.org> wrote:
> Moreover, the system is set up so that voters neglect to vote for people
> they don't want to see seated.
>
That would be true of other forms of voting, such as single transferable
vote (
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 11:08 PM McCoy Smith wrote:
> From which, I would conclude, the winners got substantial majorities of
> the voters, and no one else did, even if we combine candidates based on
> platforms. So they really deserve a seat at the table; everyone else,
> probably not.
>
If OSI
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 10:21 PM Rick Moen wrote:
> FWIW, Ms. Ehmke's blog post states that she and Tobie Langel 'did
> collectively
> secure 35% of the votes from the membership', but quick calculation[1]
> using the numbers at https://opensource.org/node/1049 sugg
On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 5:07 PM Russell McOrmond
wrote:
> An earlier question was, "What should fit in a FOSS license?"
>
> I believe that the creation of the "Ethical Source" group, and the level
> of support those candidates had during the board election, should be
> treated as a wake-up call.
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