Re: [License-discuss] "Fairness" vs. mission objectives

2020-02-26 Thread Eric S. Raymond
over the interpretation of clause G. I would not decertify it. I hope this illustrates a more general distinction that is helpful. -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/";>Eric S. Raymond ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@lists.op

Re: [License-discuss] Ethical open source licensing - Dual Licensing for Justice

2020-02-26 Thread Eric S. Raymond
m not fooled. You are mounting an ideological attack on our core principles of liberty and nondiscrimination. You will not succeed while I retain any ability to oppose this. -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/";>Eric S. Raymond __

Re: [License-discuss] Ethical open source licensing - Persona non Grata Preamble

2020-02-26 Thread Eric S. Raymond
hip rights. That is not what is is going on with things like the PNG - while they intend to produce exclusion, the attempt dies not proceed from an ownership claim. I think we beed a better tern for this, rather than stretching "proprietary" out of shape. -- http://w

Re: [License-discuss] Ethical open source licensing - Dual Licensing for Justice

2020-02-26 Thread Eric S. Raymond
e you create a precedent that will reach to yourself. -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/";>Eric S. Raymond ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@lists.opensource.org http://lists.opensource.org/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss_lists.opensource.org

Re: [License-discuss] Ethical open source licensing - Persona non Grata Preamble

2020-02-26 Thread Eric S. Raymond
we should stay the hell away from all such controversies. They can do nothing but harm us. -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/";>Eric S. Raymond ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@lists.opensource.org http://lists.opensource.org/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss_lists.opensource.org

Re: [License-discuss] Ethical open source licensing - Persona non Grata Preamble

2020-02-26 Thread Eric S. Raymond
set of liberties, not to fix society. -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/";>Eric S. Raymond ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@lists.opensource.org http://lists.opensource.org/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss_lists.opensource.org

Re: [License-discuss] "Fairness" vs. mission objectives

2020-02-26 Thread Eric S. Raymond
of anything we can do to cooperate wuth them, build on their work, or help them use ours. -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/";>Eric S. Raymond ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@lists.opensource.org http

Re: [License-discuss] [Non-DoD Source] Re: "Fairness" vs. mission objectives

2020-02-26 Thread Eric S. Raymond
erence Library License. A perfectly sound and conformant license that I wouldn't dream of decertifying, but we'd all be better off if nobody ever used it again, adopting instead some common license wuth a better-developed interpretive tradition. -- http://www.catb.org/~es

Re: [License-discuss] "Fairness" vs. mission objectives

2020-02-26 Thread Eric S. Raymond
e this one. We want to recognize them, but we don't want to make the license-proliferation problem worse. -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/";>Eric S. Raymond ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@lists.opensourc

Re: [License-discuss] "Fairness" vs. mission objectives

2020-02-25 Thread Eric S. Raymond
lt. That is elegantly put, and I fully concur. -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/";>Eric S. Raymond ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@lists.opensource.org http://lists.opensource.org/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss_lists.opensource.org

Re: [License-discuss] "Fairness" vs. mission objectives

2020-02-25 Thread Eric S. Raymond
a result of usage from ancient time. I am prepared to argue that we also own the use of "open source" as a description of software - that the very few prior sporadic uses neither establish any other certification authority nor challenge ours. But that is a separate issue. --

Re: [License-discuss] "Fairness" vs. mission objectives

2020-02-25 Thread Eric S. Raymond
wn those rules when we realize what thet are and how they apply to a particular case. Such opinions would relate to the OSD exactly as case law does to statute. Wherther we want to have stare decisis or not should be regarded as a tuning knob on the machine. Comm

Re: [License-discuss] "Fairness" vs. mission objectives

2020-02-25 Thread Eric S. Raymond
owed-by-committee-review process as > approval. The decision to involuntarily deprecate a license would then > finally be reviewed by the Board. +1. That seems eminently sensible to me. -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/";>Eric S. Raymond

Re: [License-discuss] A wild co-founder appears

2020-02-25 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Eric S. Raymond : > But there are two recent developments I find concerning that have > convinced me I need to weigh in. Please pay careful attention, as I am > not making this choice likely. Ooops. Not making this choice *lightly*. -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/";&g

[License-discuss] "Ethical open source" and the Persona Non Grata clause.

2020-02-24 Thread Eric S. Raymond
ell with you *and* the horse you rode in on." -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/";>Eric S. Raymond As the Founding Fathers knew well, a government that does not trust its honest, law-abiding, taxpaying citizens with the means of self-defense is not itself worthy of trust. Laws di

[License-discuss] "Fairness" vs. mission objectives

2020-02-24 Thread Eric S. Raymond
g the certitification of any specific license. I am making a meta-level point, about principles.) -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/";>Eric S. Raymond The United States is in no way founded upon the Christian religion -- George Washington & John Adams, in a diplomatic me

[License-discuss] A wild co-founder appears

2020-02-24 Thread Eric S. Raymond
without adding to it. But there are two recent developments I find concerning that have convinced me I need to weigh in. Please pay careful attention, as I am not making this choice likely. I will start individual threads for both issues. -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/";>Eric S.