Re: [License-discuss] Improvement to the License-Review Process

2020-08-25 Thread VM (Vicky) Brasseur
McCoy Smith wrote on 25/8/20 15:41: Interestingly enough, the original submission of the Vaccine License to the OSI had what appears to be a phony SPDX designation, "SPDX: Vaccine-1.0 " included in the submitted license text. https://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-review_lists.opensource

Re: [License-discuss] Improvement to the License-Review Process

2020-08-25 Thread McCoy Smith
> -Original Message- > From: License-discuss On > Behalf Of VM (Vicky) Brasseur > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 3:14 PM > To: license-discuss@lists.opensource.org > Subject: Re: [License-discuss] Improvement to the License-Review Process > > Purely as an FYI, not to imply support or reje

Re: [License-discuss] Improvement to the License-Review Process

2020-08-25 Thread VM (Vicky) Brasseur
Andrew DeMarsh wrote on 25/8/20 13:51: There are plenty of legal professionals on this list that can most likely write a far better rule/requirment, I personally would not throw in the X projects requirement as I think that changes the rules significantly from what they are today and would requ

Re: [License-discuss] Improvement to the License-Review Process

2020-08-25 Thread Andrew DeMarsh
There are plenty of legal professionals on this list that can most likely write a far better rule/requirment, I personally would not throw in the X projects requirement as I think that changes the rules significantly from what they are today and would require a lot more input/consideration then sim

Re: [License-discuss] Improvement to the License-Review Process

2020-08-25 Thread Andrew DeMarsh
> > Quite a few people view such a requirement in a software license as > DFSG-noncompliant. I think it would be a bit odd if OSI adopted such > a requirement within its contribution process. > I'm not sure that it would be required in the license text itself possibly only interacting with the ma

Re: [License-discuss] Improvement to the License-Review Process

2020-08-25 Thread jonathon
On 2020/08/25 17:04, Andrew DeMarsh wrote: > I would at least like to suggest that at minimum wording be added to the > requirements for L-R such that the license submission must be made with the > express purpose of a License be considered for actual real world use and > that the request be made w

Re: [License-discuss] Improvement to the License-Review Process

2020-08-25 Thread Florian Weimer
* McCoy Smith: > Might it be time to require license submitters to actually identify > themselves, the organization they represent, and the name of the legal > person they worked with in creating and submitting the license? Quite a few people view such a requirement in a software license as DFSG-

Re: [License-discuss] Improvement to the License-Review Process

2020-08-25 Thread Andrew DeMarsh
Sorry yes, that's exactly what I mean. Sorry for any confusion. On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 2:30 PM David Woolley wrote: > On 25/08/2020 18:04, Andrew DeMarsh wrote: > > OSI be careful when trying to qualify what counts as a legal person > > I think you meant something like "legal expert", as "legal

Re: [License-discuss] Improvement to the License-Review Process

2020-08-25 Thread Andrew DeMarsh
To be clear if this was addressed squarely to me (sorry if not, contest is harder to read via text), it is not that I don't care about the points you have addressed; it is simply that I think a focus on the exploited weakness in L-R is more productive, it is easier and less work to ensure that it i

Re: [License-discuss] Improvement to the License-Review Process

2020-08-25 Thread Andrew DeMarsh
I think that that's a very good idea, the only question I would have is how we vet "real" people, or if this would be a policy only to ignore/reject obvious pseudonyms/fake names etc. I only ask as I can see new submission names being anything from "Devin Nullquest" to "John Smith" and legal revie

Re: [License-discuss] Improvement to the License-Review Process

2020-08-25 Thread David Woolley
On 25/08/2020 18:04, Andrew DeMarsh wrote: OSI be careful when trying to qualify what counts as a legal person I think you meant something like "legal expert", as "legal person" doesn't make sense in the English legal sense of the terms (an extension of the the concept of a natural person (an

Re: [License-discuss] Improvement to the License-Review Process

2020-08-25 Thread McCoy Smith
My point was not that there must be some credential hurdle one must meet in order to be satisfy the “legal review” test, but that you not be able to say – as the Vaccine License submission did – “The license was prepared by a licensing professional. In the client's best interest, the legal revie

Re: [License-discuss] Improvement to the License-Review Process

2020-08-25 Thread Coraline Ada Ehmke
Even if you don’t care about Bruce Perens’s mockery of attempts by practitioners to address the ethical shortcomings of traditional FLOSS, you should care about his abuse of the time and effort of volunteers on this list who took his “joke” seriously. Ban him. > On Aug 25, 2020, at 12:04 PM,

Re: [License-discuss] Improvement to the License-Review Process

2020-08-25 Thread Andrew DeMarsh
I would at least like to suggest that at minimum wording be added to the requirements for L-R such that the license submission must be made with the express purpose of a License be considered for actual real world use and that the request be made with a professional intent for a usable OSI License

[License-discuss] Improvement to the License-Review Process

2020-08-25 Thread McCoy Smith
In view of the fact that the OSI is going to be forming a committee to review the process: https://wiki.opensource.org/bin/Working+Groups+%26+Incubator+Projects/Licens e+List+Working+Group/, here's one thing to consider: In late 2019, a submission was made to approve the "Vaccine License": http