I think that that's a very good idea, the only question I would have is how we vet "real" people, or if this would be a policy only to ignore/reject obvious pseudonyms/fake names etc.
I only ask as I can see new submission names being anything from "Devin Nullquest" to "John Smith" and legal reviewer being "Susan Youlang" to "Janice Miller" (the obvious to the non-obvious). On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 1:11 PM McCoy Smith <mc...@lexpan.law> wrote: > My point was not that there must be some credential hurdle one must meet > in order to be satisfy the “legal review” test, but that you not be able to > say – as the Vaccine License submission did – “The license was prepared by > a licensing professional. In the client's best interest, the legal review > cannot be made public” without identifying that person (in the same way the > submitter was not identified). > > > > So basically, putting a non-pseudonymous name to both the submitter and to > the legal reviewer. > > > > *From:* Andrew DeMarsh <andrew.d...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2020 10:04 AM > *To:* mc...@lexpan.law; license-discuss@lists.opensource.org > *Subject:* Re: [License-discuss] Improvement to the License-Review Process > > > > I would at least like to suggest that at minimum wording be added to the > requirements for L-R such that the license submission must be made with the > express purpose of a License be considered for actual real world use and > that the request be made with a professional intent for a usable OSI > License to exist which fills a need not addressed by previously approved > licenses. This should deal with this kind of issue and other licenses that > are merely a rebranded form of another license. I only wish to point out > that the OSI be careful when trying to qualify what counts as a legal > person they worked with as this could harshly affect some people's ability > to participate/problem solve issues specific to their country if the > definition is too exact. (some countries may have exceptionally few people > that deal specifically in the idea of software licensing or deal with it at > all and specific wording requiring the person to be a Lawyer specialising > in software licensing would put an undue burden on them to be represented). > > > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 12:31 PM McCoy Smith <mc...@lexpan.law> wrote: > > In view of the fact that the OSI is going to be forming a committee to > review the process: > > https://wiki.opensource.org/bin/Working+Groups+%26+Incubator+Projects/Licens > e+List+Working+Group/, here's one thing to consider: > > > > In late 2019, a submission was made to approve the "Vaccine License": > > https://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-review_lists.opensource.org/2 > 019-October/004420.html > > The submission purported to satisfy all the criteria required for a > submission (listed here: https://opensource.org/approval), stated that it > had undergone legal review and "was prepared by a licensing professional." > It was filed by "Filli Liberandum," which almost certainly is a pseudonym. > > > > The commenters on this submission pointed out the license did not meet the > OSD, and it was rather quickly rejected by the Board: > > https://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-review_lists.opensource.org/2 > 020-January/004635.html > > > > It turns out that the author of this license was Bruce Perens, who now > admits it was "a joke" and a "test" > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTsc1m78BUk (scroll forward to 44:00). He > even responded (using his real name and e-mail account) to the > License-Review thread, suggesting that the license that he drafted (and > most > likely also submitted under a pseudonym) not be approved: > > https://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-review_lists.opensource.org/2 > 019-October/004427.html > > > > Might it be time to require license submitters to actually identify > themselves, the organization they represent, and the name of the legal > person they worked with in creating and submitting the license? > > I know this was a minor blip in the process, but isn't the all-volunteer > Board busy enough that they shouldn't have to go through the motions of > convening a meeting and scheduling a vote on someone's joke proposal? > > > > [I'd also suggest that people caught doing these sorts of non-serious or > pseudonymous submissions not have the right to submit or comment on the > mailing lists in the future] > > _______________________________________________ > The opinions expressed in this email are those of the sender and not > necessarily those of the Open Source Initiative. Official statements by the > Open Source Initiative will be sent from an opensource.org email address. > > License-discuss mailing list > License-discuss@lists.opensource.org > > http://lists.opensource.org/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss_lists.opensource.org > >
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