Gil Yehuda wrote:
* But am I responsible for your actions? Was I a knowing and willing
participant? Did I fail to act in a reasonable manner to stop the crime? I'm
sure there are lots of great questions that lawyers here can expound upon. But
open source licenses have limitations of warra
Tobie,
It was my intent to convey a message with good faith. But to use humor to
make a point. I think there are serious issues in the world. The appeal to
human rights, genocide ("kids in cages"), etc. derails the productive
conversation about copyrights and author-responsibilities. More important
On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 8:43 AM Russell Nelson wrote:
> On 3/20/20 4:39 PM, Nigel T wrote:
> > You guys should have at least trademarked the "open" badge that the
> > ESD has now taken).
>
> You mean the green circle open at the bottom? We did trademark that, and
> registered it. Can you link to
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 7:03 PM Tobie Langel wrote:
>
> I’m not arguing this point of view. I’m reporting on a point of view
> commonly held within the community.
>
Repeated assertion doesn't show that this is a "commonly held" view.
> I have said nothing as to whether I share this point of vi
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, at 15:59, Gil Yehuda via License-discuss wrote:
> I think part of the issue here is that in the face of real human issues, this
> seems like a misuse of energy. Licenses manage the use of copyright rights.
> We fight genocide with laws, with armies, maybe a good protest or t
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 7:22 PM Gil Yehuda via License-discuss <
license-discuss@lists.opensource.org> wrote:
> I think part of the issue here is that in the face of real human issues,
> this seems like a misuse of energy. Licenses manage the use of copyright
> rights. We fight genocide with laws,
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 6:28 PM Tobie Langel wrote:
> Could you explain how the values I described were exclusionary to yours,
> though?
>
The "ethical" source folks wish authors to be able to discriminate against
who can use the software. That is exclusionary of my values, as I believe
it is u
On 3/20/20 7:35 PM, Tobie Langel wrote:
So I think the plain meaning, and the conventional understanding,
of OSD 5 & 6 is “you cannot put any restriction against any user,
or use, of the software, in an open source license”
Remember that the argument I’m making here is precisely tha
On 3/20/20 7:02 PM, Tobie Langel wrote:
I’m reporting on a point of view commonly held within the community.
That view has always existed. Some people don't want to delegate the
name "open source" to the OSI. Never have, never will. Their presence in
the community shouldn't deter us from repres
On 3/20/20 6:43 PM, Tobie Langel wrote:
Committing genocide is clearly not a field of endeavor as defined by
section 6 of the OSD,
It is exactly and precisely a field of endeavor. OSD#6 doesn't define
"field of endeavor", it makes reference to the idea.
Yes, that's an absurd example, but mo
On 3/20/20 4:39 PM, Nigel T wrote:
You guys should have at least trademarked the "open" badge that the
ESD has now taken).
You mean the green circle open at the bottom? We did trademark that, and
registered it. Can you link to where they are using the "open" badge?
On 3/20/20 2:46 PM, Russell McOrmond wrote:
I'm involved in the community for the very values which certain
individuals wish to expunge. There is no mechanism for both
communities to consider themselves the same community, so either
values come in common or people go elsewhere.
Schisms happen
On 3/20/20 12:55 PM, Tobie Langel wrote:
Currently section 5 and 6 are vague (in particular the term "field of
endeavor") and imho an ethical licenses could be written that complied
with the OSD.
OSD #6 is specifically there to prevent a license from restricting
licensees whom a licensor does
On 3/20/20 10:11 AM, John Cowan wrote:
For OSI the effect is even stronger than for UL. Every time OSI
denies certification on grounds other than non-conformance to the OSD
(such as redundancy, lack of templatification, etc.), it implicitly
concedes that OSI Certified (tm) and open source are
On 3/20/20 8:48 AM, Russell McOrmond wrote:
Note I’m not saying: “change the OSD to allow ethical licenses,”
I’m saying “work hand in hand to account for the concerns of the
broader community to find reasonable solutions that meet those
concerns.”
We have already accounted for
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