Re: [LEDE-DEV] Proposal to sign all commits

2016-05-06 Thread Kus
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Perhaps signing merge commits is good enough. It wouldn't require new contributors to do something more and it will be easier to keep track of the public keys for a small group of people. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: APG v1.1.1 iQJRBAEBC

Re: [LEDE-DEV] [PATCH] iftop: Update to latest version, and drop patch

2016-05-06 Thread John Crispin
On 05/05/2016 15:16, Bert Vermeulen wrote: > The patch made sure the ncursesw library was not selected to save space, > but that library doesn't exist in this distribution at all. are you sure that ncursesw is not inside any of the feeds either ? John > > Signed-off-by: Bert Vermeulen

Re: [LEDE-DEV] Proposal to sign all commits

2016-05-06 Thread David Lang
On Fri, 6 May 2016, Kus wrote: Daniel, I like what you said. I hinted something like that in the original message. I don't like the idea of making changes to history after it is published. Personally, I don't care about commit pollution but if the team thinks it is important, then we should

Re: [LEDE-DEV] RFC: Throughput testing results.

2016-05-06 Thread Ben Greear
On 05/06/2016 05:54 PM, Dave Taht wrote: On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Ben Greear wrote: On 05/06/2016 12:05 PM, David Lang wrote: On Fri, 6 May 2016, Ben Greear wrote: On 05/06/2016 10:20 AM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote: Ben Greear writes: I am interested in feedback on the testi

Re: [LEDE-DEV] RFC: Throughput testing results.

2016-05-06 Thread Dave Taht
On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Ben Greear wrote: > On 05/06/2016 12:05 PM, David Lang wrote: >> >> On Fri, 6 May 2016, Ben Greear wrote: >> >>> On 05/06/2016 10:20 AM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote: Ben Greear writes: > I am interested in feedback on the testing output. My goal

Re: [LEDE-DEV] Proposal to sign all commits

2016-05-06 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On the signature agree On 16-05-06 08:26 PM, David Lang wrote: > On Fri, 6 May 2016, Daniel Dickinson wrote: > > > This gets back to the question about what we are trying to achieve by > signing the commits. > > If the purpose is to track who put what into the central tree, then > having the me

Re: [LEDE-DEV] Proposal to sign all commits

2016-05-06 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On 16-05-06 08:28 PM, Kus wrote: > Daniel, I like what you said. I hinted something like that in the original > message. Er, sorry which part - I think you mean about fast-forward only and not the ideal world where everything is always tested no matter who it's from? Regards, Daniel > > I don

Re: [LEDE-DEV] RFC: Throughput testing results.

2016-05-06 Thread Dave Taht
On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Ben Greear wrote: > On 05/06/2016 12:05 PM, David Lang wrote: >> >> On Fri, 6 May 2016, Ben Greear wrote: >> >>> On 05/06/2016 10:20 AM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote: Ben Greear writes: > I am interested in feedback on the testing output. My goal

Re: [LEDE-DEV] Proposal to sign all commits

2016-05-06 Thread Kus
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Daniel, I like what you said. I hinted something like that in the original message. I don't like the idea of making changes to history after it is published. Personally, I don't care about commit pollution but if the team thinks it is important,

Re: [LEDE-DEV] Proposal to sign all commits

2016-05-06 Thread David Lang
On Fri, 6 May 2016, Daniel Dickinson wrote: Hi David, One thing your suggestion does though, is mean that the initial commits are not created on the master branch (for which there are few committers), so the idea that signing all commits shouldn't be an issue because there are only a few specia

Re: [LEDE-DEV] RFC: Throughput testing results.

2016-05-06 Thread Ben Greear
On 05/06/2016 12:05 PM, David Lang wrote: On Fri, 6 May 2016, Ben Greear wrote: On 05/06/2016 10:20 AM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote: Ben Greear writes: I am interested in feedback on the testing output. My goal is to add a few more different hardware configurations and then do nightly (or

Re: [LEDE-DEV] Proposal to sign all commits

2016-05-06 Thread Daniel Dickinson
Hi David, One thing your suggestion does though, is mean that the initial commits are not created on the master branch (for which there are few committers), so the idea that signing all commits shouldn't be an issue because there are only a few special souls who create commits is not actually the

Re: [LEDE-DEV] RFC: Throughput testing results.

2016-05-06 Thread Ben Greear
On 05/06/2016 12:26 PM, David Lang wrote: On Fri, 6 May 2016, Ben Greear wrote: On 05/06/2016 12:05 PM, David Lang wrote: On Fri, 6 May 2016, Ben Greear wrote: On 05/06/2016 10:20 AM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote: Ben Greear writes: I am interested in feedback on the testing output. My g

Re: [LEDE-DEV] RFC: Throughput testing results.

2016-05-06 Thread David Lang
On Fri, 6 May 2016, Ben Greear wrote: On 05/06/2016 12:05 PM, David Lang wrote: On Fri, 6 May 2016, Ben Greear wrote: On 05/06/2016 10:20 AM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote: Ben Greear writes: I am interested in feedback on the testing output. My goal is to add a few more different hardware

Re: [LEDE-DEV] RFC: Throughput testing results.

2016-05-06 Thread Ben Greear
On 05/06/2016 12:05 PM, David Lang wrote: On Fri, 6 May 2016, Ben Greear wrote: On 05/06/2016 10:20 AM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote: Ben Greear writes: I am interested in feedback on the testing output. My goal is to add a few more different hardware configurations and then do nightly (or

Re: [LEDE-DEV] Proposal to sign all commits

2016-05-06 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On 16-05-06 02:58 PM, David Lang wrote: > On Fri, 6 May 2016, Kus wrote: > >> >> I'd argue such a barrier is OK if we want to quickly increase the size >> of the team of people with commit access. I think we're >> underestimating our contributors here. I agree that we shouldn't have >> unnecessary

Re: [LEDE-DEV] RFC: Throughput testing results.

2016-05-06 Thread David Lang
On Fri, 6 May 2016, Ben Greear wrote: On 05/06/2016 10:20 AM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote: Ben Greear writes: I am interested in feedback on the testing output. My goal is to add a few more different hardware configurations and then do nightly (or at least weekly) tests. So that is showin

Re: [LEDE-DEV] Proposal to sign all commits

2016-05-06 Thread David Lang
On Fri, 6 May 2016, Kus wrote: Regarding signing commits with GPG key, it would be nice to recommend it but making it a requirement sounds like a barrier. I'd argue such a barrier is OK if we want to quickly increase the size of the team of people with commit access. I think we're underestima

Re: [LEDE-DEV] [RFC] A change to the way packages are built

2016-05-06 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On 16-05-05 04:16 AM, Michal Hrusecky wrote: > David Lang - 18:20 4.05.16 wrote: >> Debian has ... > > Just for the sake of discussion and inspiration, how openSUSE does it's > rolling > release. We have OBS, which is server software, connected to multiple > builders. [snip] Thank you David a

Re: [LEDE-DEV] RFC: Throughput testing results.

2016-05-06 Thread Ben Greear
On 05/06/2016 10:20 AM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote: Ben Greear writes: I am interested in feedback on the testing output. My goal is to add a few more different hardware configurations and then do nightly (or at least weekly) tests. So that is showing up to 10s of *seconds* of latency, rig

Re: [LEDE-DEV] Why technical elitism is contrary to stated goal of community

2016-05-06 Thread Daniel Dickinson
Also on the topic of bug reports, having some mechanism for users to report 'I also have this problem, but have nothing new to add' launchpad-esque mechanism for finding how many people the bug affects without spamming the tracker with 'me too', would be good. This helps with a) higher numbers o

Re: [LEDE-DEV] Why technical elitism is contrary to stated goal of community

2016-05-06 Thread Fernando Frediani
+1 Fernando On 6 May 2016 at 12:05, Daniel Dickinson wrote: > Hi all, > > I have noticed that some of the policies of this project are already > veering towards a brand of technical elitism that I feel is completely > contrary to the stated goal of having a stronger community. > > A strong commu

[LEDE-DEV] RFC: Throughput testing results.

2016-05-06 Thread Ben Greear
Here is an automated test result that I have added to our wifi testing gear. The basic idea is that we associate more and more stations and run throughput tests at each iteration. Goal is to test stability, capacity, and see how performance varies as more stations are associated. AP is Ventana

Re: [LEDE-DEV] Proposal to sign all commits

2016-05-06 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On 16-05-06 11:55 AM, Kus wrote: > >> Regarding signing commits with GPG key, it would be nice to recommend it but >> making it a requirement sounds like a barrier. > > I'd argue such a barrier is OK if we want to quickly increase the size of the > team of people with commit access. I think we'

Re: [LEDE-DEV] Proposal to sign all commits

2016-05-06 Thread Kus
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 > Regarding signing commits with GPG key, it would be nice to recommend it but > making it a requirement sounds like a barrier. I'd argue such a barrier is OK if we want to quickly increase the size of the team of people with commit access. I thi

Re: [LEDE-DEV] Why technical elitism is contrary to stated goal of community

2016-05-06 Thread David Woodhouse
On Fri, 2016-05-06 at 11:48 -0400, Daniel Curran-Dickinson wrote: > > As I said, the issue is not with 'only good bug reports', it's with 'we > > can ensure only good bug reports by making it a pain to report bugs at all'. > > I'd also like to point out that if the approach is being taken on the >

Re: [LEDE-DEV] Why technical elitism is contrary to stated goal of community

2016-05-06 Thread Daniel Dickinson
> As I said, the issue is not with 'only good bug reports', it's with 'we > can ensure only good bug reports by making it a pain to report bugs at all'. I'd also like to point out that if the approach is being taken on the assumption that on technically advanced people write good reports, then I'd

Re: [LEDE-DEV] Why technical elitism is contrary to stated goal of community

2016-05-06 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On 16-05-06 11:29 AM, David Woodhouse wrote: > On Fri, 2016-05-06 at 11:05 -0400, Daniel Dickinson wrote: >> >> Technical elitism tends give a 'you're not good enough / you don't think >> like us, go away' feel to a community. The 'we won't event look at your >> bug report if it doesn't meet the s

Re: [LEDE-DEV] Proposal to sign all commits

2016-05-06 Thread Nemesis
Hi, I just signed up here. On 05/06/2016 05:03 PM, Jo-Philipp Wich wrote: > Hi, > >> I am concerned that git signing gives little, if any value, while making >> it harder to contribute (and making it easier to contribute is one of >> the *stated* goals of LEDE) and is another example of a tenden

Re: [LEDE-DEV] Why technical elitism is contrary to stated goal of community

2016-05-06 Thread David Woodhouse
On Fri, 2016-05-06 at 11:05 -0400, Daniel Dickinson wrote: > > Technical elitism tends give a 'you're not good enough / you don't think > like us, go away' feel to a community.  The 'we won't event look at your > bug report if it doesn't meet the special format we came up with that no > one else u

[LEDE-DEV] Why technical elitism is contrary to stated goal of community

2016-05-06 Thread Daniel Dickinson
Hi all, I have noticed that some of the policies of this project are already veering towards a brand of technical elitism that I feel is completely contrary to the stated goal of having a stronger community. A strong community welcomes 'outsiders' and noobs and helps them find their place in the

Re: [LEDE-DEV] Proposal to sign all commits

2016-05-06 Thread Jo-Philipp Wich
Hi, > I am concerned that git signing gives little, if any value, while making > it harder to contribute (and making it easier to contribute is one of > the *stated* goals of LEDE) and is another example of a tendency toward > a particular brand of technical elitism that will kill this project if

Re: [LEDE-DEV] Proposal to sign all commits

2016-05-06 Thread Daniel Curran-Dickinson
I am concerned that git signing gives little, if any value, while making it harder to contribute (and making it easier to contribute is one of the *stated* goals of LEDE) and is another example of a tendency toward a particular brand of technical elitism that will kill this project if not nipped in

Re: [LEDE-DEV] [OpenWrt-Devel] Introducing the LEDE project

2016-05-06 Thread Valent Turkovic
I'm an outsider, have nothing to do with OpenWrt developement but still work on few projects which depend on OpenWrt as awesome project that enables us to do our projects (wifi mesh networking) but also do professional jobs for clients using OpenWrt as embedded os for lots of different applications

[LEDE-DEV] A request for more clarity on the fork

2016-05-06 Thread Daniel Dickinson
Hi all, I know other community members of complained about the lack of information about the reasons for the fork (they and I don't think LEDE's official announcement really provides enough information to really understand the situation) and I especially do badly in a vacuum - I tend to strain to

Re: [LEDE-DEV] Introducing the LEDE project

2016-05-06 Thread mbm
On 5/5/2016 7:40 AM, Felix Fietkau wrote: Many of the changes that we previously tried to introduce were often squashed by internal disagreements. Resulting discussions often turned toxic quickly and led to nothing being done to address the issues. Setting up the LEDE project was our way of cre

Re: [LEDE-DEV] [OpenWrt-Devel] Introducing the LEDE project

2016-05-06 Thread Daniel Curran-Dickinson
On 16-05-05 03:22 PM, mbm wrote: > On 5/5/2016 7:40 AM, Felix Fietkau wrote: >> Many of the changes that we previously tried to introduce were often >> squashed by internal disagreements. Resulting discussions often turned >> toxic quickly and led to nothing being done to address the issues. >> Set

Re: [LEDE-DEV] Proposal to sign all commits

2016-05-06 Thread Alexander Couzens
On Thu, 5 May 2016 19:56:04 +0200 Matthias Schiffer wrote: > As I understand git's commit signing feature, the signature is > something that is added by the committer, not the author. This means: > > - the format-patch/send-email format does *not* contain a signature > - reviewed-by etc. can be

Re: [LEDE-DEV] [OpenWrt-Devel] Introducing the LEDE project

2016-05-06 Thread Daniel Dickinson
Might I submit that my impression is that Kaloz (at least) holds infrastructure hostage to maintain control, and that the fundamental problem here is that OpenWrt is *not* democratic and ignores what people who were ones visibly working on openwrt want and overrides their wishes because he/they has

[LEDE-DEV] [PATCH] More OpenWrt -> LEDE renames

2016-05-06 Thread lede
From: Daniel Dickinson Branding: Rename openwrt to lede where appropriate (although probably some unnecessary changes were made due to not looking all that closely and doing a relatively mindless (but not automatic) search and replace). Probably this commit is incomplete and also has some things

Re: [LEDE-DEV] [OpenWrt-Devel] Introducing the LEDE project

2016-05-06 Thread Luka Perkov
>On 2016-05-05 20:22, mbm wrote: >> On 5/5/2016 7:40 AM, Felix Fietkau wrote: >>> Many of the changes that we previously tried to introduce were often >>> squashed by internal disagreements. Resulting discussions often turned >>> toxic quickly and led to nothing being done to address the issues.

Re: [LEDE-DEV] [OpenWrt-Devel] Introducing the LEDE project

2016-05-06 Thread Hartmut Knaack
mbm schrieb am 05.05.2016 um 21:22: > On 5/5/2016 7:40 AM, Felix Fietkau wrote: >> Many of the changes that we previously tried to introduce were often >> squashed by internal disagreements. Resulting discussions often turned >> toxic quickly and led to nothing being done to address the issues.

Re: [LEDE-DEV] [OpenWrt-Devel] Introducing the LEDE project

2016-05-06 Thread Daniel Curran-Dickinson
Might I submit that my impression is that Kaloz (at least) holds infrastructure hostage to maintain control, and that the fundamental problem here is that OpenWrt is *not* democratic and ignores what people who were ones visibly working on openwrt want and overrides their wishes because he/they has

Re: [LEDE-DEV] [PATH buildbot] Use --delay-updates on rsync upload to minimize time of inconsistency in the repo

2016-05-06 Thread Alexander Couzens
On Fri, 6 May 2016 10:14:04 +0100 Felix Fietkau wrote: > During the rsync operation, package lists could go out of sync with > the .ipk files, or a mirror might be pulling an incomplete list of > files. To reduce the chance of this happening, let rsync put all > updated files into place at the e

[PATCH] mtd: add -c option for specifying amount of data to be used for checksum

2016-05-06 Thread Rafał Miłecki
So far fixtrx was calculating checksum over amount of data matching partition erase size. It was mostly a workaround of checksum problem after changing anything in initial TRX content (e.g. formatting JFFS2). Its main purpose was to make bootloader accept modified TRX. This didn't provide much prot

Re: LEDE mirror from RCS&RDS Romania

2016-05-06 Thread Jo-Philipp Wich
Hi Daniel, thanks for hosting the mirrors! ideally you poll the rsync server every 3 hours, that roughly corresponds to the current duration of the buildbot cycles. We'll see how well this works out in the future and adjust accordingly, if needed. ~ Jo _

reboot

2016-05-06 Thread John Crispin
the reboot was not meant to be hostile or disruptive to OpenWrt. we are just code nerds and messed up the politics of the launch at some places, which in itself shows one of the reasons that motivated the reboot. the whole idea is to give up our control over parts of the politics and attract a new

Re: LEDE mirror from RCS&RDS Romania / tetaneutral.net in France

2016-05-06 Thread Laurent GUERBY
On Fri, 2016-05-06 at 12:41 +0300, Daniel Petre wrote: > Hello, so per jow's last night's info i have rsynced the downloads part > from LEDE to the RCS&RDS ( www.rcs-rds.ro ) mirroring server: > > http://mirrors.linux.ro/lede/ > > Two more questions please: > > 1. How often can we rsync? > 2. D

LEDE mirror from RCS&RDS Romania

2016-05-06 Thread Daniel Petre
Hello, so per jow's last night's info i have rsynced the downloads part from LEDE to the RCS&RDS ( www.rcs-rds.ro ) mirroring server: http://mirrors.linux.ro/lede/ Two more questions please: 1. How often can we rsync? 2. Do you need anything else rsynced? Thanks! P.S. Contact e-mail for the

[PATH buildbot] Use --delay-updates on rsync upload to minimize time of inconsistency in the repo

2016-05-06 Thread Felix Fietkau
During the rsync operation, package lists could go out of sync with the .ipk files, or a mirror might be pulling an incomplete list of files. To reduce the chance of this happening, let rsync put all updated files into place at the end of the transfer Signed-off-by: Felix Fietkau --- master/phas

Re: Suggestion: apply for the Linux Foundation CII program

2016-05-06 Thread A. Benz
Dear Jo and folks steering the ship, Regarding Linux Foundations' offering, kindly take into consideration their recent action: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/39546.html Now upon looking at the grants page below: https://www.coreinfrastructure.org/grants One worries about terms like: "Under th

Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Introducing the LEDE project

2016-05-06 Thread Roman Yeryomin
On 6 May 2016 at 03:53, Luka Perkov wrote: >>On 2016-05-05 20:22, mbm wrote: >>> On 5/5/2016 7:40 AM, Felix Fietkau wrote: Many of the changes that we previously tried to introduce were often squashed by internal disagreements. Resulting discussions often turned toxic quickly and le

Re: [PATCH] pages: add FAQ page

2016-05-06 Thread Bruno Randolf
Hi, Taking this from lede-adm to lede-dev where I'm allowed to post... On 06/05/16 02:33, Alexander Couzens wrote: >> +== What devices does LEDE targets? >> + >> +LEDE mainly targets embedded devices capable of running Linux. > I agree. > >> In >> most cases wireless routers. This has not chang