On 09/10/2012, at 6:52 PM, Anne Wilson wrote:
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> On 08/10/12 21:57, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>> I am arguing against the entire reason for having this thread.
>>> Vishesh
shouldn't have to go around worrying about this crap just
because Red
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On 08/10/12 21:57, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> I am arguing against the entire reason for having this thread.
>> Vishesh
>>> shouldn't have to go around worrying about this crap just
>>> because RedHat has bad lawyers and has double standards when it
>>> c
On Montag, 8. Oktober 2012 22:53:28 CEST Martin Sandsmark wrote:
> My suggestion would be that we just take a stand and force RedHat to re-
> evaluate their stance on ffmpeg (or software that is covered by
> software patents in general, like the kernel itself), so we
> don't have to deal with th
On Montag, 8. Oktober 2012 23:38:40 CEST Kevin Kofler wrote:
> So in short, if you want multimedia to "just work" in your
> software, use GStreamer!
*lol* - YMMD
I just installed *all* gstreamer packages (good, bad, ugly, plugins - except
the ffmpeg one) and gst123 (Archlinux), then attempted
On Monday 08 October 2012 at 22:26:30, Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> Neither Kevin (Fedora), Scott (Kubuntu) nor Adrian (SUSE) came up with the
> rules, they are just pointing out the policies. While I do not agree with
> their policies I can kind of understand it.
>
> What everybody can do is to bring
Am 08.10.2012 22:53, schrieb Martin Sandsmark:
> I am arguing against the entire reason for having this thread. Vishesh
> shouldn't have to go around worrying about this crap just because RedHat has
> bad lawyers and has double standards when it comes to the software they are
> shipping.
not
On Monday 8. October 2012 22.22.03 Sven Burmeister wrote:
> Not being allowed to question something is different from staying on-topic
> within a thread.
I am arguing against the entire reason for having this thread. Vishesh
shouldn't have to go around worrying about this crap just because RedHat
On Monday 08 October 2012 22:15:03 Martin Sandsmark wrote:
> On Monday 8. October 2012 21.08.02 Sven Burmeister wrote:
> > Please do not make this a thread about things lawyers have to decide. Fact
> > is that openSUSE and Fedora do not not ship this kind of software because
> > they want to annoy
Am Montag, 8. Oktober 2012, 22:15:03 schrieb Martin Sandsmark:
> On Monday 8. October 2012 21.08.02 Sven Burmeister wrote:
> > Please do not make this a thread about things lawyers have to decide. Fact
> > is that openSUSE and Fedora do not not ship this kind of software because
> > they want to an
On Monday 8. October 2012 21.08.02 Sven Burmeister wrote:
> Please do not make this a thread about things lawyers have to decide. Fact
> is that openSUSE and Fedora do not not ship this kind of software because
> they want to annoy users but because there are reasons.
WTF? This is something that i
On Montag, 8. Oktober 2012 21:35:43 CEST Vishesh Handa wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:03 AM, Thomas Lübking
>> a) if this ffmpeg / avlib kindergarten junk does not short term stop,
>> using a plugin system in this context will be inevitable; also because
>> those idiots apparently still ship i
Am Dienstag, 9. Oktober 2012, 01:05:43 schrieb Vishesh Handa:
> > a) if this ffmpeg / avlib kindergarten junk does not short term stop,
> > using a plugin system in this context will be inevitable; also because
> > those idiots apparently still ship incompatible libs with the very same
> > path nam
On Monday, October 08, 2012 09:06:04 PM Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> El Dilluns, 8 d'octubre de 2012, a les 20:59:49, Martin Sandsmark va
escriure:
> > On Monday 8. October 2012 20.06.47 Reindl Harald wrote:
> > > this argumentation is invalid
> > > with this argumentation you could smoke crack ever
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:03 AM, Thomas Lübking wrote:
> On Montag, 8. Oktober 2012 21:08:02 CEST Sven Burmeister wrote:
> > Fact is that openSUSE and Fedora do not not ship this kind of software
> because they want to annoy users but because there are reasons.
> Being to annoy users? ;-P
> (This i
On Montag, 8. Oktober 2012 21:08:02 CEST Sven Burmeister wrote:
> Fact is that openSUSE and Fedora do not not ship this kind of software
> because they want to annoy users but because there are reasons.
Being to annoy users? ;-P
(This is one great hypocritical delusion - as if any SuSE or RedHat u
On Mon, 8 Oct 2012, Kevin Kofler wrote:
On Monday 08 October 2012 at 07:38:43, Eric Hameleers wrote:
Having hard requirements on ffmpeg for your nepomuk indexer would not
be appreciated by us. Making ffmpeg an optional dependency would be
better (but will cripple the indexer seriously). I think
Am Montag, 8. Oktober 2012, 19:44:24 schrieb Martin Sandsmark:
> On Monday 8. October 2012 16.52.48 Kevin Kofler wrote:
> > For us in Fedora, this would be not just nice, but REQUIRED. We cannot
> > ship
> > anything depending on FFmpeg in Fedora.
>
> Why not? Don't you ship the Linux kernel (whic
El Dilluns, 8 d'octubre de 2012, a les 20:59:49, Martin Sandsmark va escriure:
> On Monday 8. October 2012 20.06.47 Reindl Harald wrote:
> > this argumentation is invalid
> > with this argumentation you could smoke crack everywhere
> > as long you are not catched and call it legal
>
> Are you even
On Monday 8. October 2012 17.25.49 Adrian Schröter wrote:
> I think this may also harm the reputation of the KDE project as an free
> project.
Why? ffmpeg is freely licensed.
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On Monday 8. October 2012 20.06.47 Reindl Harald wrote:
> this argumentation is invalid
> with this argumentation you could smoke crack everywhere
> as long you are not catched and call it legal
Are you even trying to understand what I'm talking about? Patents are being
actively enforced against
Hey! let's keep the email clean about how stupid patents are, we all
agree on that :p
Some distributions have legal departments, distributions are our only
way to make our software reach the end user, we have to work together
even if we don't like their policies. Vishesh already proposed a way
of
Am 08.10.2012 19:38, schrieb Martin Sandsmark:
> On Monday 8. October 2012 09.34.34 Rex Dieter wrote:
>> ffmpeg in particular is a patent mine-field indeed. echoing others...
>> if these can be deployed in some form of separately built/deployed
>> plugins, that would be ideal.
>
> Has there bee
Am Montag, 8. Oktober 2012, 20:12:07 schrieb Vishesh Handa:
> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 8:08 PM, Eric Hameleers wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 8 Oct 2012, Aleix Pol wrote:
> >
> > In any case, I'm unsure that KDE can shine without ffmpeg.
> >>
> >> Aleix
> >>
> >>
> > I am sure that ffmpeg is providing some c
On Monday 08 October 2012 at 07:38:43, Eric Hameleers wrote:
> Having hard requirements on ffmpeg for your nepomuk indexer would not
> be appreciated by us. Making ffmpeg an optional dependency would be
> better (but will cripple the indexer seriously). I think the best
> solution would be to al
On Monday 8. October 2012 16.52.48 Kevin Kofler wrote:
> For us in Fedora, this would be not just nice, but REQUIRED. We cannot ship
> anything depending on FFmpeg in Fedora.
Why not? Don't you ship the Linux kernel (which is a much worse minefield
patent-wise in practice, people have actually go
On Monday 8. October 2012 09.34.34 Rex Dieter wrote:
> ffmpeg in particular is a patent mine-field indeed. echoing others...
> if these can be deployed in some form of separately built/deployed
> plugins, that would be ideal.
Has there been any case at all of people trying to enforce their patent
Am Montag, 8. Oktober 2012, 16:52:48 schrieb Kevin Kofler:
> For us in Fedora, this would be not just nice, but REQUIRED. We cannot ship
> anything depending on FFmpeg in Fedora. So it's either shipping the
> offending indexers in RPM Fusion in a separate package (which will
> obviously NOT be inst
Am Montag, 8. Oktober 2012, 20:28:14 schrieb Vishesh Handa:
> yes. That is the current scenario. I'm not sure how the packagers handle
> this.
It would be better if the user would just need to install the plug-in and not
a re-compiled nepomuk-core, i.e. make e.g. ffmpeg just a dependency of the
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 8:19 PM, todd rme wrote:
>
> Out of curiosity, what is the functionality that depends on ffmpeg? I
> am not sure it is really possible to know the best approach unless we
> know what we are losing by not having it.
>
Extracting the metadata from video files. This includes
On Monday 08 October 2012 at 15:59:12, Aleix Pol wrote:
> In any case, I'm unsure that KDE can shine without ffmpeg.
It can, and it must. FFmpeg (or Libav which is basically the same thing) is
not acceptable for Fedora and will not be in Fedora any time soon. (Maybe in
something like 20 years wh
On Monday 08 October 2012 at 16:03:26, todd rme wrote:
> What do you mean by "separate repository"? Do you mean people would
> be able to build and install the plugins independently of
> nepomuk-core? Certainly for the legally questionable ones this would
> be nice.
For us in Fedora, this would
On Mon, 8 Oct 2012, Aleix Pol wrote:
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 15:59:12 +0200
From: Aleix Pol
To: Vishesh Handa
Cc: kde-devel@kde.org, Nepomuk mailing list ,
kde-packag...@kde.org
Subject: Re: [Nepomuk] Nepomuk - Moving away from Strigi
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Vishesh Handa wrote
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Sven Burmeister wrote:
> Am Montag, 8. Oktober 2012, 20:12:07 schrieb Vishesh Handa:
> > That is the current scenario. All indexing plugin (including ffmpeg) are
> > optional during compile time.
>
> So if you cannot have ffmpeg installed when compiling nepomuk-core
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Vishesh Handa wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 8:08 PM, Eric Hameleers wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 8 Oct 2012, Aleix Pol wrote:
>>
>>> In any case, I'm unsure that KDE can shine without ffmpeg.
>>>
>>> Aleix
>>>
>>
>> I am sure that ffmpeg is providing some core functi
Am Montag, 8. Oktober 2012, 20:12:07 schrieb Vishesh Handa:
> That is the current scenario. All indexing plugin (including ffmpeg) are
> optional during compile time.
So if you cannot have ffmpeg installed when compiling nepomuk-core you have to
re-compile it in order to use the ffmpeg plug-in? I
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 8:08 PM, Eric Hameleers wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Oct 2012, Aleix Pol wrote:
>
> In any case, I'm unsure that KDE can shine without ffmpeg.
>>
>> Aleix
>>
>>
> I am sure that ffmpeg is providing some core functionality here. But, a
> distribution like Slackware does not ship a sys
On 10/08/2012 08:59 AM, Aleix Pol wrote:
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Vishesh Handa wrote:
Hey everyone
For 4.10, Nepomuk will no longer depend on Strigi for file indexing. We have
written our own file indexer which are based on popular libraries such as
taglib, exiv, ffmpeg, etc. This allo
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 7:33 PM, todd rme wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Vishesh Handa wrote:
> > Hey everyone
> >
> > For 4.10, Nepomuk will no longer depend on Strigi for file indexing. We
> have
> > written our own file indexer which are based on popular libraries such as
> > taglib,
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Vishesh Handa wrote:
> Hey everyone
>
> For 4.10, Nepomuk will no longer depend on Strigi for file indexing. We have
> written our own file indexer which are based on popular libraries such as
> taglib, exiv, ffmpeg, etc. This allows us to better control the indexin
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Vishesh Handa wrote:
> Hey everyone
>
> For 4.10, Nepomuk will no longer depend on Strigi for file indexing. We have
> written our own file indexer which are based on popular libraries such as
> taglib, exiv, ffmpeg, etc. This allows us to better control the indexin
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