Re: [issues] Re: Demographics and such

2000-01-05 Thread Telsa Gwynne
On Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 03:23:22PM +1300 or thereabouts, Simon Britnell wrote: > I wasn't originally stating that women in general or women at linuxchix > specifically are pushing quotas ( and you're right, quotas are what's worrying > me ). What I was trying to express is that I think complainin

Re: [issues] Re: Demographics and such

2000-01-05 Thread Jenn V.
Jenn V. wrote: > > > They are NOT a creation of the women who are trying to get ourselves and > > > our children a fair chance in the world. Simon wrote: > > Are you sure you speak for that entire group of women? > > I see that they are not something you approve of. Telsa wrote: > Which aren'

[issues] Re: Demographics - Reprise

2000-01-05 Thread Caitlyn Martin
Hi, Simon, > Wow! I certainly seem to have stirred up a hornets nest here. I'd say you have! Don't worry about it, though. So long as it remains positive, and people talk to each other instead of past each other, I think it's healthy. > > I'm stunned that > anyone can be quite as stupid as t

Re: [issues] Re: Demographics - Reprise

2000-01-05 Thread Robert Kiesling
"Caitlyn Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Let me give an example. About a year and a half ago, when I was with > Interpath, there was a programmer who I was pretty friendly with. He is > intelligent, talented, and certainly treated the women there with respect. > I was shocked when he argu

Re: [issues] Demographics (super long story)

2000-01-05 Thread Cat
> > If at least some of the women in IT were able to report that they > had received none of the shit that most people here are all too well > aware of, that would be -really- cool. At the moment, most women > who have posted to the thread have stories of discrimination based > on gender rath

Re: [issues] Demographics (super long story)

2000-01-05 Thread Jenn V.
Cat wrote: > > I said this would be long! I felt I had to speak up, because we talk and > talk about encouraging women into CS, but so often along with that the > only discussion is of the problems associated with it. We rarely talk > about the good things that have happened to us, the things

Re: [issues] Demographics (super long story)

2000-01-05 Thread Telsa Gwynne
On Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 03:12:33PM -0500 or thereabouts, Cat wrote: I think you're quoting me, there, actually :) > > If at least some of the women in IT were able to report that they > > had received none of the shit that most people here are all too well > > aware of, that would be -really- c

Re: [issues] Demographics (super long story)

2000-01-05 Thread Jenn V.
Telsa Gwynne wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 03:12:33PM -0500 or thereabouts, Cat wrote: > > We rarely talk > > about the good things that have happened to us, the things that *would* > > make women think CS might be a good place for them. So, share! > > Do :) Hm. Even though I've not