Re: [issues] linux women - the revenge? :-)

On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, Renie wrote: > I don't know about the other names, but Dima and Nikita are > Russian male names :) . Really? Ok, Dima I just guessed, but Nikita I thought... well, there is a movie about a Nikita who was definetly female... oh well, never too late to learn ;-) Eugeni

Re: [issues] linux women - the revenge? :-)

And then there was the Elton John song. Oh, hmm On Wed, 1 Dec 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: /On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, Renie wrote: / /> I don't know about the other names, but Dima and Nikita are /> Russian male names :) . / /Really? Ok, Dima I just guessed, but Nikita I thought... well,

Re: [issues] linux women - the revenge? :-)

On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, Ingrid Schupbach wrote: > You've got some men in here - sorry... Purged them. Thanks :-) I also purged all the oriental names, because I could never guess :-) Here's what remained: Kernel developers = Pat Mackinlay (Australia) Pauline Middelink (Netherland

Re: [issues] linux women - the revenge? :-)

On Wed, 1 Dec 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Purged them. Thanks :-) Noy all of them ... Winfried and Uwe are most certainly males, too :( > Here's what remained: > > LDP writers > === > CD Writing HOWTO, by Winfried Trümper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > DOSEMU HOWTO, by Uwe Bonnes <[EMAIL PRO

Re: [issues] linux women - the revenge? :-)

I'm sorry, but I don't get the point of this listing of women. I think that the evidence is that very few women are engaged in Linux as either leaders of a commercial Linux entrepise or as developers in the open source community. What we need is not a list of some of the very few examples we

Re: [issues] Jamie Lokier (was Re: 50 people to watch)

On Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:59:57 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: >For what it's worth, those reasons apply to me. I'm /told/ I'm one of >the best programmers they know, by people who see my code. But I'm >shyer of my code than of just about anything else. I have something of the same problem. People

Re: [issues] linux women - the revenge? :-)

so, who is Esther? At 11:10 AM 12/1/99 , you wrote: >I'm sorry, but I don't get the point of this listing of women. > >I think that the evidence is that very few women are engaged in Linux >as either leaders of a commercial Linux entrepise or as developers in the >open source community. > >What

RE: [issues] linux women - the revenge? :-)

> so, who is Esther? Esther Dyson is a venture capitalist who mostly invests in tech stock and emerging market companies. In the UK we've got Eva Pascoe, founder of the Cyberia chain of Cyber-Cafés. Yours, Ian. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org [EMAIL PR

Re: [issues] Jamie Lokier (was Re: 50 people to watch)

Well, would you women feel less uncomfortable if the an open software project were started by a woman and included mostly or only women? There's an awful lot yet to do for linux. I have been thinking about starting such a group for a while (about 2 years), but my time has been very limited by

Re: [issues] linux women - the revenge? :-)

On Wed, 1 Dec 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Really? Ok, Dima I just guessed, but Nikita I thought... well, there is > a movie about a Nikita who was definetly female... oh well, never too > late to learn ;-) It makes sense that if the movie was called "La Femme Nikita" that it would be *unusua

Re: [issues] Linux Mag: 50 Linux People to Watch

Excerpts from linuxchix: 30-Nov-99 Re: [issues] Linux Mag: 50 .. by Maureen [EMAIL PROTECTED] > The problem here is that there are no high-profile open source > software products developed primarily by women. > I do not know why this is, but it is a large part of the problem IMHO. Why is this a

Re: [issues] Jamie Lokier (was Re: 50 people to watch)

On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Maureen Lecuona wrote: > Well, would you women feel less uncomfortable if the an open software > project were started by a woman and included mostly or only women? I wouldn't want a women-only project. I would like a women-led project. > There's an awful lot yet to do for li

Re: [issues] Jamie Lokier (was Re: 50 people to watch)

On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > I'd like to see some holes filled. For example: > > 1) Project management software hear hear. IMO this would be best as a web-based product written in something like PHP or Zope. (but then again, i'm a web geek, so of course i think so. ;) Anyone kn

RE: [issues] linux women - the revenge? :-)

On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Ian Phillips wrote: > > so, who is Esther? > > Esther Dyson is a venture capitalist who mostly invests in tech stock and > emerging market companies. > > In the UK we've got Eva Pascoe, founder of the Cyberia chain of Cyber-Cafés. mmm are they involved in any way in open so

Re: [issues] linux women - the revenge? :-)

On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Maureen Lecuona wrote: > I think that the evidence is that very few women are engaged in Linux > as either leaders of a commercial Linux entrepise or as developers in the > open source community. that is clear > What we need is not a list of some of the very few examples we

Re: [issues] Jamie Lokier (was Re: 50 people to watch)

On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Maureen Lecuona wrote: > There's an awful lot yet to do for linux. I have been thinking about > starting such a group for a while (about 2 years), but my time has been > very limited by the demands of my job. I think this is becoming more manageable > now, and if there's in

Re: [issues] linux women - the revenge? :-)

On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > > Really? Ok, Dima I just guessed, but Nikita I thought... well, there is > > a movie about a Nikita who was definetly female... oh well, never too > > late to learn ;-) > > It makes sense that if the movie was called "La Femme Nikita" that it > would

Re: [issues] Jamie Lokier (was Re: 50 people to watch)

On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > > Well, would you women feel less uncomfortable if the an open software > > project were started by a woman and included mostly or only women? > > I wouldn't want a women-only project. I would like a women-led project. I agree. Excluding males from t

Re: [issues] Jamie Lokier (was Re: 50 people to watch)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > > > I'd like to see some holes filled. For example: > > > > 1) Project management software > > hear hear. IMO this would be best as a web-based product written in > something like PHP or Zope. (but then again, i'm a web g

Re: [issues] Jamie Lokier (was Re: 50 people to watch)

On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, srl wrote: > On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > > > I'd like to see some holes filled. For example: > > > > 1) Project management software > > hear hear. IMO this would be best as a web-based product written in > something like PHP or Zope. (but then again, i'm a

Re: [issues] Jamie Lokier (was Re: 50 people to watch)

On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Robert Kiesling wrote: > What's Zope? www.zope.org (web applications engine written in python) > I would like software that allows and facilitates collaborative or > simultaneous projects over the net. CVS kind of does this, at least > in the communication part, letting

Re: [issues] Jamie Lokier (was Re: 50 people to watch)

Excerpts from linuxchix: 1-Dec-99 Re: [issues] Jamie Lokier (.. by Maureen [EMAIL PROTECTED] > I think this is becoming more manageable now, and if there's > interest and we can come together on some projects, perhaps > we can all move ahead in a supportive, non-judgemental environment > that is

Re: [issues] linux women - the revenge? :-)

Excerpts from linuxchix: 1-Dec-99 Re: [issues] linux women - .. by [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Ok, but why are all the women not contributing? Many are. It's just that like thousands of men and women, they aren't high profile, so you don't know of them. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.li

Re: [issues] Jamie Lokier (was Re: 50 people to watch)

Deirdre Saoirse writes: > On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Robert Kiesling wrote: > > > What's Zope? > > www.zope.org > Looks `way cool, but I'm not yet sold on python. What does Python offer that Smalltalk doesn't (that's the only other widely known object oriented environment I can think of). What

[OT] Porject-y software (Was: Re: [issues] Jamie Lokier (was Re: 50 people to watch))

Excerpts from linuxchix: 1-Dec-99 Re: [issues] Jamie Lokier (.. by Robert Kiesling@localhos > I would like software that allows and facilitates collaborative or > simultaneous projects over the net. CVS kind of does this, at least > in the communication part, letting everyone know that a module

Re: [issues] Jamie Lokier (was Re: 50 people to watch)

Laurel: Laurel Fan wrote: > > Excerpts from linuxchix: 1-Dec-99 Re: [issues] Jamie Lokier (.. by > Maureen [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I think this is becoming more manageable now, and if there's > > interest and we can come together on some projects, perhaps > > we can all move ahead in a supportiv

Re: [OT] Porject-y software (Was: Re: [issues] Jamie Lokier (was Re: 50 people to watch))

Laurel Fan, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, writes: > > Excerpts from linuxchix: 1-Dec-99 Re: [issues] Jamie Lokier (.. by > Robert Kiesling@localhos > > I would like software that allows and facilitates collaborative or > > simultaneous projects over the net. CVS kind of does this, at least > > in the c

Re: [issues] Jamie Lokier (was Re: 50 people to watch)

Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > > On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Maureen Lecuona wrote: > > > Well, would you women feel less uncomfortable if the an open software > > project were started by a woman and included mostly or only women? > > I wouldn't want a women-only project. I would like a women-led project.

Re: [issues] Jamie Lokier (was Re: 50 people to watch)

I don't believe I said men would be excluded. However, I would not want to see the project predominated by males as are all the others. Maureen Lecuona [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > > > > Well, would you women feel less uncomfortable if the an open

Re: [issues] linux women - the revenge? :-)

Esther Dyson was involved in financing NetBeans, which was freely available, though a commercial product, for quite a while. Maureen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Ian Phillips wrote: > > > > so, who is Esther? > > > > Esther Dyson is a venture capitalist who mostly invests i

Re: [issues] Jamie Lokier (was Re: 50 people to watch)

On Wed, 1 Dec 1999 15:51:04 -0800 (PST), Deirdre Saoirse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >I think it should have an optional DISPLAY in some web cgi, but it >should NOT be run from there. I _despise_ products that only have a "web" interface. Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux

Re: [issues] Jamie Lokier (was Re: 50 people to watch)

On Wed, 1 Dec 1999 15:54:55 -0800 (PST), Deirdre Saoirse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >That's not the kind of project management I meant. I meant resource >and time scheduling, critical path, pert and gantt charts and all >that rot. There's NOTHING in open source. Some of the math is hairy >but that

Re: [issues] Jamie Lokier (was Re: 50 people to watch)

Excerpts from linuxchix: 1-Dec-99 Re: [issues] Jamie Lokier (.. by Maureen [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Laurel: > Laurel Fan wrote: > > Excerpts from linuxchix: 1-Dec-99 Re: [issues] Jamie Lokier (.. by > > Maureen [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > What do you think? > > > > I think that when choosing a project to

Re: [issues] Jamie Lokier (was Re: 50 people to watch)

On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Robert Kiesling wrote: > Looks `way cool, but I'm not yet sold on python. What does Python > offer that Smalltalk doesn't (that's the only other widely known > object oriented environment I can think of). Python is compiled down to a bytecode level, so it's faster for one th

Re: [issues] Jamie Lokier (was Re: 50 people to watch)

Deirdre: Why is non-OO better? I've coded in JAVA (not in Python) and have found very little need for anything beyond what is available in JAVA, especially when I want to be able to compile the code, which is possible to do in using JAVA, but I haven't heard of this being true in Python... I fi

Re: [issues] Jamie Lokier (was Re: 50 people to watch)

> Looks `way cool, but I'm not yet sold on python. What does Python > offer that Smalltalk doesn't... swig (look at ),it's a wrapper generator for scripting languages,it will generate code which you include in your C/C++ libraries and then,the lib become accessible to python