On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Ian Phillips wrote:
> >can claim credit for Z. I've also never [s]een it outside the classroom.
>
> I seen it in bookstores if that makes you feel better ;-)
Actually, I heard a lecture in August 1998 given by Pamela Zave from AT&T
Labs on how they use Z for modelling featur
>The single best books I have on design and design philosophy are: Tom
>DeMarco's Structured Analysis and System Specification
I don't know this one . . .
> and Fred Brooks' The Mythical Man Month.
. . . but this should be required reading of _anybody_ involved in a software or IT
project of a
>through psuedocode, descriptions, diagrams et al). Example: SSADM has, as
>as I have seen, only been used on one project, even though we do a lot of
SSADM is used in a lot of government projects, or used to be at any rate.
>can claim credit for Z. I've also never [s]een it outside the classr
"Natalie C. Heinen" wrote:
>
> The program at my school is based mostly on design and theory...I don't
> know about anyone elses but we definantly have to learn the design
> process, and it's very similar to any other engineering process...They
> figure here that we will pick up the rest in the
Maureen Lecuona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well. Both my undergraduate degrees (Mathematics, English Literature) are not
> Comp Sci, yet I found it rather easy to read books on Algorithmics and design
> and learn what I needed from these. I now have an MS degree in CS,
> but prior to that (fo
Well. Both my undergraduate degrees (Mathematics, English Literature) are not
Comp Sci, yet I found it rather easy to read books on Algorithmics and design
and learn what I needed from these. I now have an MS degree in CS,
but prior to that (for about 14 years) I never studied CS formally.
>From
> My first undergrad school had classes in software engineering.
>
> There's two types of CS, after all; EECS is the "hack and slash"
> style, while (Math)CS is a more theoretical approach. Usually the
> character of the department is determined by whether it grew out of a
> math department or
On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Jenn V. wrote:
> > I'm a graduate of the first type (Smith)... could you elaborate more on
> > what an EECS-focused program looks like? I never got to do classes in
> > formal design, and I'm looking for ways to make up that deficiency.
>
> My recommendation is to go to a uni
Excerpts from linuxchix: 7-Dec-99 Re: [issues] Prototype vs. .. by
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> I'm a graduate of the first type (Smith)... could you elaborate more on
> what an EECS-focused program looks like?
CMU has both ECE (Electrical and Computer Engineering), part of
engineering, and CS (Computer
srl wrote:
>
> I'm a graduate of the first type (Smith)... could you elaborate more on
> what an EECS-focused program looks like? I never got to do classes in
> formal design, and I'm looking for ways to make up that deficiency.
My recommendation is to go to a uni bookshop and look for
books in
On Mon, 6 Dec 1999, Kelly Lynn Martin wrote:
> There's two types of CS, after all; EECS is the "hack and slash"
> style, while (Math)CS is a more theoretical approach. Usually the
> character of the department is determined by whether it grew out of a
> math department or an engineering departme
The program at my school is based mostly on design and theory...I don't
know about anyone elses but we definantly have to learn the design
process, and it's very similar to any other engineering process...They
figure here that we will pick up the rest in the "real world".
thanks,
Natalie
>
>
Robert Kiesling wrote:
> ... but on a more sophisticated level, it's better to give someone a
> model to emulate, then let them figure out for themselves how to
> arrive at the finished program, provided they know how to perform all
> of the necessary procedures (e.g., don't first throw the monit
Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
>
> Agreed. For example, I think that Open Source projects done by
> individuals will typically need less in the way of the design docs because
> there is no specific budget. Thus we an eliminate those parts of the
> typical spec that are the sales and finance pitch. :)
>
On Tue, 7 Dec 1999, Jenn V. wrote:
> 1. What's EECS?
Electrical Engineering/ Computer Science.
> 2. What's 'grad school'? (Bachelor's? Master's? Doctorate?)
Master's or Doctorate.
> 3. It was taught in my Bachelor's course (and taught, and drilled
> and trained...) to the point where it's ref
> Robert Kiesling wrote:
> > Deirdre Saoirse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Mon, 6 Dec 1999, Robert Kiesling wrote:
> > >
> > > > So what? Where would someone who's interested "learn" these skills.
> > > > How many EECS programs teach design?
> > >
> > > It's pretty much learned in grad sch
Deirdre Saoirse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Dec 1999, Robert Kiesling wrote:
>
> > There may be a third... that is based on information science, and that
> > is what I've been considering, as another person said, on the
> > character of the data, like text, images, musical scores...
Robert Kiesling wrote:
> Deirdre Saoirse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Mon, 6 Dec 1999, Robert Kiesling wrote:
> >
> > > So what? Where would someone who's interested "learn" these skills.
> > > How many EECS programs teach design?
> >
> > It's pretty much learned in grad school (if you study
On Mon, 6 Dec 1999, Robert Kiesling wrote:
> There may be a third... that is based on information science, and that
> is what I've been considering, as another person said, on the
> character of the data, like text, images, musical scores... (though
> that description does not do justice to infor
On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 20:47:32 -0500, Robert Kiesling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
>There may be a third... that is based on information science, and
>that is what I've been considering, as another person said, on the
>character of the data, like text, images, musical scores... (though
>that descripti
> Mmmm... their program looks interesting. Anyway, lots of design.
>
> Of course, I can't speak for every undergrad department ;o)
Actually it would be grad school, but I'm not certain that I'm
suited for PhD candidacy. :)
Robert
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Kelly Lynn Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My first undergrad school had classes in software engineering.
>
> There's two types of CS, after all; EECS is the "hack and slash"
> style, while (Math)CS is a more theoretical approach. Usually the
> character of the department is determined by
On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:17:42 -0500, Robert Kiesling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
>So what? Where would someone who's interested "learn" these skills.
>How many EECS programs teach design?
My first undergrad school had classes in software engineering.
There's two types of CS, after all; EECS is th
It's a pretty huge part of our EECS (http://www.eecs.wsu.edu) program. A
whole 300 level undergraduate course devoted to it (one you would
probably take in your third or fourth semester in the program), and
those concepts are used throughout your undergrad "career" fairly
extensively. (especially
Deirdre Saoirse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Dec 1999, Robert Kiesling wrote:
>
> > Kelly Lynn Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > It probably also helps that a lot of the people in the open source
> > > community have little or no formal training. Design is not something
>
On Mon, 6 Dec 1999, Robert Kiesling wrote:
> Kelly Lynn Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > It probably also helps that a lot of the people in the open source
> > community have little or no formal training. Design is not something
> > that most people learn how to do on their own.
>
> So
Kelly Lynn Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> It probably also helps that a lot of the people in the open source
> community have little or no formal training. Design is not something
> that most people learn how to do on their own.
So what? Where would someone who's interested "learn" thes
On Mon, 6 Dec 1999, Maureen Lecuona wrote:
> Would it be possible for you to put a mailing list for the project on
> your machine or should I go elsewhere?
>
> We need to move off issues@linuxchix for our project specs discussions,
> unless we want to get bombarded with all kinds of noise when w
On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 10:05:46 -0800 (PST), Deirdre Saoirse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>I agree. I find good design very hard to find, especially in the open
>source community. As I've been known to say, "in this bunch, software
>design is as popular as leprosy."
KDE seems especially prone to this.
Deirdre:
Would it be possible for you to put a mailing list for the project on
your machine or should I go elsewhere?
We need to move off issues@linuxchix for our project specs discussions,
unless we want to get bombarded with all kinds of noise when we start getting
serious...
Let me know ASAP
On Sun, 5 Dec 1999, Maureen Lecuona wrote:
> Let us not start stereotyping each other before we have all even met,
> okay?
>
> Just because some of the people want to use PYTHON, this does mean they
> are "prototypers".
Exactly.
> I will put out a preliminary specification document, and a desi
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