Re: [issues] Re: Demographics - Reprise

2000-01-08 Thread Danyeke Swanson
At 09:47 PM 1/8/00 , Jenn V. wrote: >Cat wrote: > > To me, that experience was exactly the sort of thing that women are > > talking about when they talk about the fact that even though > > certain opportunities seem to exist, in a significant way they don't. > > Wow, I really *am* riled about this

Re: [issues] Re: Demographics - Reprise

2000-01-08 Thread Robert Kiesling
Cat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 8 Jan 2000, Cat wrote: > > > > for coke and pizza. I thought the math and science teachers were > > > jerks, took as much English and art shop classes as I could (we got to > > > make things), skipped phy ed as often as possible, (oh, yes, and > > > lea

Re: [issues] CPSR newsletter

2000-01-08 Thread Kirrily 'Skud' Robert
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Telsa Gwynne wrote: > >I haven't had time to read all those articles yet, but they looked >good. The name of the submitter caught my eye: Ellen Spertus has a >mass of stuff online about this topic, and it makes for interesting >reading. Ellen's great. But whateve

Re: [issues] Re: Demographics - Reprise

2000-01-08 Thread Jenn V.
Cat wrote: > On Sun, 9 Jan 2000, Jenn V. wrote: > Wow -- so there has been progress! ;-) > > To me, that experience was exactly the sort of thing that women are > talking about when they talk about the fact that even though > certain opportunities seem to exist, in a significant way they don't.

Re: [issues] Re: Demographics - Reprise

2000-01-08 Thread Kirrily 'Skud' Robert
Cat wrote: >The teacher (male) said, "Well, good morning and welcome gentlemen -- oh, >and ladies?" Extremely common, everywhere from schools to open source conferences. I just so love being an afterthought, don't you? K. -- Kirrily 'Skud' Robert - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://netizen.com.au

Re: [issues] Re: Demographics - Reprise

2000-01-08 Thread Cat
On Sun, 9 Jan 2000, Jenn V. wrote: > > > Cat wrote: > > > > Ah, but I (as a 23-year-old who was in eighth grade in the late 80's) > > remember very well a choice between taking shop or taking home ec. > > You had a choice? Wow. We didn't. Home ec it was, if you had > inward-pointing genitali

Re: [issues] Re: Demographics - Reprise

2000-01-08 Thread Jenn V.
Cat wrote: > > Ah, but I (as a 23-year-old who was in eighth grade in the late 80's) > remember very well a choice between taking shop or taking home ec. You had a choice? Wow. We didn't. Home ec it was, if you had inward-pointing genitalia. Shop if it pointed out. Jenn V. -- "We're rep

Re: [issues] Re: Demographics - Reprise

2000-01-08 Thread Cat
On Sat, 8 Jan 2000, Cat wrote: > > for coke and pizza. I thought the math and science teachers were > > jerks, took as much English and art shop classes as I could (we got to > > make things), skipped phy ed as often as possible, (oh, yes, and > > learned German), and stayed home and read. Very

Re: [issues] Re: Demographics - Reprise

2000-01-08 Thread Cat
> for coke and pizza. I thought the math and science teachers were > jerks, took as much English and art shop classes as I could (we got to > make things), skipped phy ed as often as possible, (oh, yes, and > learned German), and stayed home and read. Very un-masculine, for the Ah, but I (as a

Re: [issues] CPSR newsletter

2000-01-08 Thread Telsa Gwynne
On Sat, Jan 08, 2000 at 01:52:03PM +1100 or thereabouts, Claudine Chionh wrote: > Current Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility newsletter > (http://www.cpsr.org/) focuses on gender issues in computing -- I > found this link from Slashdot, which is a nice change from their usual > ta

Re: [issues] Re: Demographics - Reprise

2000-01-08 Thread Robert Kiesling
Emily Cartier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Imagine yourself as a shy and easily startled and scared kid of 13 or 14. > The easy and not very scary path involves taking lots of English and > History classes throughout high school, and if you only take 2 years of > science and 3 of math, it leaves

Re: [issues] Re: Demographics - Reprise

2000-01-08 Thread Emily Cartier
On Thu, 06 Jan 2000 17:11:36 -0500 Caitlyn Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > J B wrote: > > > Currently, if a woman wants to be in any field, and is of the proper > > mindset, there is nothing that will keep her out...not sexism, > > Really You mean if a guy is sexist, doesn't take women