> On Sat, 11 Aug 2012, Nikita Popov wrote:
>
>> Hi internals!
>>
>> I think there already was a lot of discussion on the generators, so
>> it's time to move to the next step. I'd like to vote on the feature in
>> two weeks, so this the "announce[ment] on internals@, by the author,
>> with the inten
> In my opinion UTC is a good compromise.
I agree that _in the absence of any other setting_ there's nothing
wrong with using UTC! Let be clear: UTC is a perfectly fine hands-off
default rather than issuing a warning. Non-technical end users will
guess you're on London time but whatever.
And if
However,
passing an array to array_filter() then passing the result to
array_map() is always type safe (because array_filter still returns an
array even if it filters down to 0 items), and array_map on an empty
array is essentially a no-op, so I'm comfortable doing so, and wish I
could do so m
God I hate crap software ... TRYING to reply without top post ... but Samsung
is incapable!
What I was trying to comment on was that trapping that no result is returned
may be what is needed, so handling the empty array rather than a null return
just means having to remember what you do use :(
distributions should work
with the test suite using the sample database rather than the temporary
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A patch would be welcome!
Looks like every file needs modifying ...
I'll see what I can do, but my local php-src is broken and will not sync
currently :(
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https://github.com/bitweaver/install/blob/master/create_firebird_database.php
Generates a firebird database from PHP via the command line which is the
other approach.
I've started again with a clean sheet and have a working php-src so I'll
try and sort a suitable p
n the version
of FB running. This will only run with FB3 while FB2.x is still in
common use hence it being preferable to use something supplied with the
FB installation.
https://firebirdsql.org/manual/qsg10-connecting.html
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n't feel that is 'the PHP way' and some of the
flexibility PHP currently provides is actually constrined in a much more
practical manor than the current proposals.
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On 05/02/15 11:37, Andrea Faulds wrote:
> Hi Lester,
>
>> On 5 Feb 2015, at 10:58, Lester Caine wrote:
>>
>> Can I please rename the 'big integer' rfc to 'unconstrained integer' for
>> two reasons. One BIGINT does have well established definiti
there is no
single 'string' constraint. A string length/position can't be stored in
an unconstrained integer, so we need a constrained holder for that and
it's limits depend on the type of string being stored and the platform.
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of examples to work from, and the assortment of changes to
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since the people you are trying to
protect will not use a new mechanism anyway? I hope that I have my own
installations configured such that one can't upload material on-line
that can be accessed but having to ensure third party libraries are
using 'script' rather than 'include/re
gickwand up as well but still a little lost on
what needs doing ...
Also I still have not fathomed out why I don't get a list of extensions
for imagick ...
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ZEND_ENGINE_3 ?
supported_formats must have the list as it says there are 209 entries,
but why is there a problem doing something simple which works on the 5.x
builds.
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On 07/02/15 02:34, Dan Ackroyd wrote:
> Lester,
>
> If you are having issues with Imagick please report them here:
> https://github.com/mkoppanen/imagick
>
> Not only is that the right place to report issues with unrele
> more suitable in each particular case.
does not help if one does not know how one decides ...
The main problem is that the smart_string section seems to have an
identity crisis? smart_str is till being used in the exmples. Any reaon
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builds has been a fix for many problems, not just the windows platform
ones, so removing that prop requires a lot more care!
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that has resulted in a growing number of abstraction layers for handing
data from database, much of which needs a common base of scalar values
in the arrays then handled in PHP, rather than creating their own
versions of those scalar entries.
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On 08/02/15 06:37, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote:
> Hi Lester,
>
> PHP7 is proposing a LOT of shiny new features which will break much
> legacy code. So the question has to be just what is the plan regarding
> cross version support. I see that the general consensus is PHP5 should
o be using composer for everything? None of
this was around by 5.0.0 days yet the bulk of my framework code is well
over 10 years old and at one time one could select you preferred
database install and run. Nowadays just keeping a small subset of
database engines working is all we can manage.
P
couple of sites then things would be
different, but the current catalogue is some 120 different sites some of
which are pigging ASP and I will be glad when I can finally pull them
over to PHP.
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Does anybody have a working Eclipse setup for building php-src and
extensions? I keep hitting 'phpsrc' when I try using google which just
about sums up how bad google is these days :(
As soon as one tries to drill down all one gets is pages with php in the
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egabytes of data into the error log but there ACTUALLY seem to
be less in the php7 error log ... need to figure that out, but I've
currently hit the latest brick wall as mbstring is not compiling! Most
of the others have compiled fine, but currently there is a blank front
page until I can
hich scalar type hints does nothing to address :(
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se but would still appreciate some
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g, but I am now thinking that a properly exposed string
and integer class which has the ability to assign constraint checks does
make sense. Then use of an integer value on a 32bit platform can error
when the actual value is too big for the target use. THAT is what strict
type checking is about!
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what in my opinion IS the best way to allow different
factions to add their own pet style is drowning simple clean solutions
such as docblock.
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; return;
> }
But I suspect I need to change the *string_arg to a character string so
'rc' and add a string_len field. At least that is what I think I'm
seeing from the samples I have found.
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On 11/02/15 09:34, Derick Rethans wrote:
>> Some of you are tired with this topic, but please take a look the RFC
>> >
>> > [RFC] Script only includes - this is 3rd version.
>> > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/script_only_include
>> >
>> > Please let me know what you like or dislike.
> Con:
> - It intr
On 10/02/15 14:31, Lester Caine wrote:
> in interbase/ibase_blobs.c
>
>> zval *blob_arg, *string_arg;
>> ibase_blob *ib_blob;
>>
>> RESET_ERRMSG;
>>
>> if (ZEND_NUM_ARGS() != 2 || zend_get_parameters_ex
inal version or the
Mk2 version of phpDocumentor on code that has produced clean documents
in the past. Just another area that needs time spending to work out what
now need updating which does not affect the working code.
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the material being worked with simply can't be processed 'statically'?
The only result of this passing that I can see is that PHP will start to
develop two completely different code bases. Anthony closes by saying
that is EXACTLY what he wil
ps://github.com/php/php-src/blob/master/ext/interbase/ibase_blobs.c
Line 318 passes string_arg to function at 131
( this is so much easier using eclipse to navigate :) )
The other compile problem I have is the complaints about casting
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convert to a zend_string, but I think I can just change b_val to
Z_STR*(b_val) but the compiler is saying that Z_STR is not defined?
I've spent half an hour trying to dig around but not managed to find
what I should be using
at needs fixing first is the underlying OS functions rather
than continually trying to patch the top level, but we perhaps need to
document better just where the joins are ... just how many days were
there from 0BC to today ...
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> But with Marcio’s proposal, we could instead write this:
>
> use function SomeLibrary\Math\{sin, cos, tan, degrees, radius};
Well it used to be simply ...
require SomeLibrary\math.php;
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whole process wrong? Can't we restore the simple way of working in PHP7
where it does not need to wrap around other things quite so closely?
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On 13/02/15 21:16, Nikita Nefedov wrote:
>> Can't we restore the simple way of working in PHP7
>> where it does not need to wrap around other things quite so closely?
>
> Hi Lester,
>
> This way if doing things on php didn't go anywhere, people just stopped
gement we do have! The vast majority of
parameters DO have a limit on their size.
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otally understand how to change every other extension in the same style :(
Currently I lost track of the bits I should be using as current notes
and searching just pulls up phpng or even older guides, so it would be
nice to have a single index for PHP7 with all of the good samples linked.
Oh and
Seems to be due to changes for HashTable? But what have I missed?
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On 16/02/15 18:34, Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 6:55 PM, Lester Caine wrote:
>
>> I've synced with current git and seem to have the files I expect for
>> interbase, but when trying to run a clean build of the core stuff it no
>> longer compiles
rtant because it instructs git to only remove files that are ignored
> via .gitignore. Your manually created files will stay.
Thanks for that Martin ... turns out hg purge can do the same thing via
hggit plugin ;) Just needed the kick in the right direction.
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more days trying to track down what was wrong.
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e, but
this at least would allow int to become an unconstrained object if
people want that.
It's the whole "we can fix it later" that I don't like ... especially
when other votes are changing the goal posts in parallel.
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broken already with the other changes to the core
:( I'm not returning 'IS_FALSE' so I'm probably going to have to change
the 'false' to '0' anyway so as to avoid the bool?
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x27;strict' at all. You will process the string, decide if you want to
tell the client that it must be a whole number, or if it exceeds some
limit. That may even be done in javascript in the browser, so what is
fed back has already been sanitised. It will come in as a string and you
k
was the 'best practice' a few years back so it is rare to be passing a
single value anyway.
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On 17/02/15 21:28, François Laupretre wrote:
>> De : Lester Caine [mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk]
>>
>> On 17/02/15 18:33, François Laupretre wrote:
>>> What does this mean in your case ? Just that, as long as the feature is not
>> available, your function won'
the database then the PHP7 build. The code and
database are identical ... only the PHP side is different.
But I need a few hours sleep ...
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that the pre-processing takes care of the problem and how would static
analysis even know there was a problem? A type hint following the SQL
standards would be more helpful than the javascript approach of giving
an error in strict mode.
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in the one code tree.
On that side, I don't enable the mysql stuff normally and while mysqlnd
is compiling happily as a shared extension it looks like I can't load it
as it is not actually a valid extension? Is that a bug or is the fact
it's allowed to
ess
trying to reference them :(
( Andrey - there may not be plans to support a full range of hints -
weak or strict, but this is all valid material that PHP handles daily
and passes around )
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On 18/02/15 14:59, Pádraic Brady wrote:
> I wouldn't necessarily mind int->float - it's lossless assuming one way only.
Assuming int is not 64 bit ;)
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should be taking care of! This is the very area where using 32bit builds
at least provides a level of protection currently.
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On 19/02/15 01:33, Christoph Becker wrote:
> Lester Caine wrote:
>
>> On 18/02/15 23:09, Christoph Becker wrote:
>>> It seems to me that this behavior is hard to deal with generally for
>>> programmers as well as static analyzers. Andreas' bigint RFC[1] wou
ood for speed, but can
introduce cross platform differences that may be difficult to debug. We
currently live with those problems already with the int->float agro on
64bit numbers.
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always). I believe that's
> what makes it a good compromise, a better one than the currently proposed
> RFC.
Now that all made sense!
My only grey area is 'allowing sensible ones' where the size is an
integral part of what is 'sensible' ... the one where conventi
neither relax the weak/strict debate which is apparently
so essential in other forums?
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s not sound like simplifying things?
As with other debates, some say ignore 32 bit, and others say lets loose
the constraints altogether, but having a fundamental type behave
differently depending on platform is a problem?
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ffect how these values are processed.
Pierre - You may think that the size of integer is irrelevant in the
discussion on providing a strict type use of it, but in practice it is
somewhat important if the codebase you are creating is only 32bit but
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than creating a new different object. Back to my
as_xxx rather than is_xxx ... as_xxx fails if the result can't be
produced, or yes it gives a new object of that type. It's how all these
extra objects exist that is confusing, but if all the persistent data
simply creates objects of the corr
not need a cast. If
it's not validated ... it needs to be before it can be used anyway.
Is every variable stored as a string even when it's source is a
validated scalar value?
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If PHP creates a new
variable what does it store by default?
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creen as
strings ... having the original string with a value which can be used
for calculation is simply how I thought PHP worked. A variable is more
than just a 'value', we need it's name which is a string, and a viewable
string could be useful, along with other flags. I had assum
een safe to use 32bit numbers directly in PHP which is
additional reasons for keeping to a string base.
( Since all of my material is managed via databases it is also why I am
normally using 'stringy ints'! )
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t added to it, but you may also need the string view, or the
origin may be a string already, so one maintains both a binary view and
a 'string' view of the same variable. So I don't subscribe to 'stringy
ints' because all variables have a stringy element naturally.
If I had
eneral user ?
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odules and I see no reason
why those who want 'strict' can't have that as a pecl module to replace
'lax' operations.
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int check/'coerce' as part of the range
check, and produce a number of errors based on the result.
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ertainly accept
while upgrading code, but I also appreciate why 'Remove PHP4
Constructors' might not be accepted leaving a difficulty. I think one
ends up with still needing a 'mode' switch if the legacy constructors
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Why would using an integer I've passed in a URL be a 'fault'? All of the
data navigation functions pass their state via the URL and one simply
protects against hackers by filtering the state to a default value if it
does not return the correct integer data.
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> Hi Lester,
>
> I am not sure I understand well, but the extended type syntax partially
> described in https://wiki.php.net/rfc/dbc may correspond to what you
> describe. Such extended syntax will be part of 'Design by Contra
On 23/02/15 13:49, François Laupretre wrote:
> Hi Lester,
>
>> De : Lester Caine [mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk]
>>
>> Reworking 15+ years of code to create 'dbc' versions of the existing
>> annotations is another drain on available time. I can see someone
>
alidation requirements. Something which could
be provided if the right hooks are available to identify hints be that
the current rules or some third party strict rule set. There was a query
about making hints user definable and that fits in better than any of
the current 'single' solution
ith eaccelerator. So first step get up to
the same platform with all sites, but currently there is no incentive to
switch to a slower system ... Your speed table from earlier shows a
marked improvement up to PHP5.4 with eaccelerator loaded.
PHP7 reduces memory usage and execution time against
of the coding style elements it currently 'allows' need to be reviewed
to see if it is time they were deprecated, allowing some of the new
'strict' elements to be tagged properly in PHP7 ?
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proper multilingual support later. Keeping some areas 'English only'
does not bother me, but the rest of the infrastructure has already moved
on so it is about time PHP joined modern practice?
One of the areas that many peopl
s change does nothing to fix the
badly-written code, but it is THAT which needs to be fixed rather than
perfectly safe systems that 'disobey' this nannying?
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> Hi all,
>
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Lester Caine wrote:
>
>>> As soon as you have any possibility of including a file uploaded by an
>>> attacker, you are probably going to lose.
>>
>> I think that this
istent and if PHP nannied this in the same way it nannies some other
style points, then I would put under the pro rather than con!
Some of the BC areas being discussed do seem 'why put us through that',
but unicode is still being pushed to the sidelines and this is one of
those BC break
them are ...
Scalar Type Hinting - yes/no
Type of hinting - weak/strict/other
If only weak hinting accepted, option to add strict anyway - yes/no
Changes to casting rules are a separate discussion?
Change casting - yes/no/partial (selected tidy-up)
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returns now change then currently working code starts to fail. Fixing
the extra exceptions looks more interesting, so referring to the first
try block above, having to catch different exceptions from each function
is the problem here. But I still prefer dealing with the error as part
hould be a nice
clean value is actually what gets through? All right if that fails in a
later function call then one can crash out, and you don't want to serve
hackers anyway, but one needs to know if it is a hacker or a user with a
problem. But this more a play against the need for type hinti
all have what we want. Yes it will result in confusion over what runs
where, but equally we can tailor hinting to match a particular set of
rules rather than having to live with some other persons preference such
as the 'new' casting rules ...
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for Coercive. Neither deserve acceptance because both are only creating
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AN be optimised for the target and which can be enhanced
via that target can only be an improvement on what is proposed so far.
And the title here is wrong - this is not restricted to 'strict' it
applies to all scalar type hinting/checking.
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and http://www.firebirdfaq.org/faq12/ show some options used to get
around the various input problems. So like PHP - no agreement on what
BOOL is.
FB3.0 is still in development, but adds a bool field for which IS_TRUE
and IS_FALSE are not a comfortable fit because for any database a field
c
numeric string.
Just been checking and yes if a multi-bit binary field is a string of
'0's it's false - nothing to process - but any bit set gives true and
one scans for the set bit. This is one where the leading zero may affect
the numeric conversion, but you can read it as a
include white space when it is actually added. It's not
uncommon though to cast numeric fields to 'char' to create fixed length
records and I would not like to say how many legacy systems still use
that approach for building tables of data?
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Lester Caine - G8HFL
es, weird behavior that substr("", 2, 2); for example returns false. But
> changing thatis just another evil BC break.
Now I don' think that 'weird' ... Although the correct return should
perhaps be 'null', but it's long been practice that s there is no resu
eeds
fixing perhaps that is what needs addressing? string|false is a core
element of most of PHP?
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Lester Caine - G8HFL
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