"Thomas Punt" wrote in message
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Hi!
Hi,
This mail is going to both the systems group and internals mailing list.
I would like to request a mailing list suspension for the users
tonymars...@hotmail.com
Hi!
> You may not like what I have to say, but that is no reason to ban me
> from saying it. I believe in democracy and free speech, and by banning
> or suspending me you are effectively banning the right to free speech.
This has nothing to do with free speech. You are welcome to exercise
your ri
Hey Michael,
I don't think the BC break is acceptable. You argue that scalar type
declarations are relatively new, but in fact they're already years old now.
They're used in most PHP 7+ packages. Even if changing types might be
discouraged, it still happens a lot.
Regards, Niklas
On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 3:50 AM, Niklas Keller wrote:
> Hey Michael,
>
> I don't think the BC break is acceptable. You argue that scalar type
> declarations are relatively new, but in fact they're already years old now.
> They're used in most PHP 7+ packages. Even if changing types might be
> disc
"Stanislav Malyshev" wrote in message
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Hi!
You may not like what I have to say, but that is no reason to ban me
from saying it. I believe in democracy and free speech, and by banning
or suspending me you are effectively banning the right t
Tony, you have a point in the sense that a proposed Code of Conduct --
which would have been binding on posts to lists @php.net -- provoked a
fiery debate (to put it mildly) and was eventually withdrawn
(http://news.php.net/php.internals/90726).
The dominant objections to the CoC d
> On Jan 2, 2018, at 12:29, Dustin Wheeler wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 12:19 PM, Levi Morrison wrote:
>>
>> I doubt we have any official procedures. I agree with the proposed
>> suspension as long as the suspension for a set amount of time; I
>> believe in giving people a chance to refor
On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 10:49 AM Paul Jones wrote:
>
> > On Jan 2, 2018, at 12:29, Dustin Wheeler wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 12:19 PM, Levi Morrison wrote:
> >>
> >> I doubt we have any official procedures. I agree with the proposed
> >> suspension as long as the suspension for a set
Am 03.01.18 um 10:55 schrieb Sanford Whiteman:
> Tony, you have a point in the sense that a proposed Code of Conduct --
> which would have been binding on posts to lists @php.net -- provoked a
> fiery debate (to put it mildly) and was eventually withdrawn
> (http://news.php.net/php.intern
Hi,
On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 6:05 PM, Chase Peeler wrote:
>
> I agree with Paul. It would be different if email clients that allowed
> filtering were expensive or hard to find. They aren’t, though. Pretty much
> every email client not only allows filtering, but rather advanced filtering
> as well.
On Di, 2018-01-02 at 11:49 +0100, Nikita Popov wrote:
> li...@rhsoft.net, who have recently been
> aggressively derailing
He was blocked in 2012 already:
https://externals.io/message/59395#59421
johannes
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On 3 January 2018 at 15:49, Paul Jones wrote:
>
> I am not in favor of anyone else deciding for me that I am not allowed to
> see Tony's (or anyone else's) messages on this list. I can make that
> decision myself, and revisit that decision myself should I choose.
>
> If someone dislikes Tony's co
This proposal contains some interesting ideas, which I see as separate:
1. A syntax to declare the type of local variables.
2. A syntax to declare the type of object properties.
3. Preventing local variables, object properties and parameters to
change their type after initialization/declaration.
F
On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 11:16 AM Andrey Andreev wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 6:05 PM, Chase Peeler
> wrote:
> >
> > I agree with Paul. It would be different if email clients that allowed
> > filtering were expensive or hard to find. They aren’t, though. Pretty
> much
> > every email cl
On 3 Jan 2018 18:13, "Chase Peeler" wrote:
On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 11:16 AM Andrey Andreev wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 6:05 PM, Chase Peeler
> wrote:
> >
> > I agree with Paul. It would be different if email clients that allowed
> > filtering were expensive or hard to find. They are
On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 11:05 AM, Chase Peeler wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 10:49 AM Paul Jones wrote:
> > > On Jan 2, 2018, at 12:29, Dustin Wheeler wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 12:19 PM, Levi Morrison wrote:
> >
> > If someone dislikes Tony's commentary for any reason (or no reason!
What personal attack did I make? I asked a serious question. The fact that
you could even take a serious question and interpret it as a personal
attack is exactly why I am very wary of any attempts to suspend users. It's
too easy to misunderstand what someone says.
On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 12:16 PM
Another idea I have when reading this proposal is "implicit" typing
based on the initialization.
E.g.
$x = 5;
$x = 'hello'; // -> Error: $x was initialized as integer, and cannot
hold a string.
or
$x = $a + $b;
$x = 'hello'; // -> Error: $x was initialized as number (int|float),
and cannot ho
On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 12:18 PM Michael Morris wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 11:05 AM, Chase Peeler
> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 10:49 AM Paul Jones wrote:
> > > > On Jan 2, 2018, at 12:29, Dustin Wheeler wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 12:19 PM, Levi Morrison
> wrote:
> > >
On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 12:10 PM, Andreas Hennings
wrote:
> This proposal contains some interesting ideas, which I see as separate:
> 1. A syntax to declare the type of local variables.
> 2. A syntax to declare the type of object properties.
> 3. Preventing local variables, object properties and p
On 3 January 2018 at 17:28, Chase Peeler wrote:
> I think self moderation still solves this. If the person is disruptive
> enough, eventually enough people will block them and there won't be many
> instances of them getting quoted or poisoning the thread.
>
> If certain people decide to engage th
On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 12:21 PM, Andreas Hennings
wrote:
> Another idea I have when reading this proposal is "implicit" typing
> based on the initialization.
>
> E.g.
>
> $x = 5;
> $x = 'hello'; // -> Error: $x was initialized as integer, and cannot
> hold a string.
>
>
No, no no. I don't think
+1
It's true that everyone can setup their own filters, but why should they
have too.
You don't get to conduct yourself however you want without consequence.
Cheers
Joe
On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 6:52 PM, Rowan Collins
wrote:
> On 3 January 2018 at 17:28, Chase Peeler wrote:
>
> > I think self m
> On Jan 3, 2018, at 12:35, Joe Watkins wrote:
>
> You don't get to conduct yourself however you want without consequence.
Sure. The question then, is, what is the proper consequence? I hold that it is
not "banning" or "suspension" (which may or may not actually be within the
delegated powers
The precedent has been set already: One of these users was already kicked
off the list and decided to resubscribe and continue to conduct themselves
in an unacceptable manner.
This is a forum for technical discussion regarding the development of PHP:
We must be able to keep conversation focused an
> On Jan 3, 2018, at 12:59, Joe Watkins wrote:
>
> Let's remember that there are a large number of people on the sidelines that
> are not subscribed to the list directly, but choose to use news readers, or
> the excellent externals.io; They may not able to filter messages from any
> individua
Hi,
On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Chase Peeler wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 11:16 AM Andrey Andreev wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 6:05 PM, Chase Peeler
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I agree with Paul. It would be different if email clients that allowed
>> > filtering were expensi
> On Jan 3, 2018, at 12:59 PM, Joe Watkins wrote:
>
> The precedent has been set already: One of these users was already kicked
> off the list and decided to resubscribe and continue to conduct themselves
> in an unacceptable manner.
>
> This is a forum for technical discussion regarding the de
On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 11:16 AM, Johannes Schlüter wrote:
> On Di, 2018-01-02 at 11:49 +0100, Nikita Popov wrote:
>> li...@rhsoft.net, who have recently been
>> aggressively derailing
>
> He was blocked in 2012 already:
>
> https://externals.io/message/59395#59421
I hadn't even noticed this t
Hi Michael,
On 02/01/2018 10:35, Michael Morris wrote:
I would like to propose a clean way to add some strong typing to PHP in a
manner that is almost fully backward compatible (there is a behavior change
with PHP 7 type declarations). As I don't have access to the add RFC's to
the wiki I'll pla
On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 11:17:53 AM CST Michael Morris wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 11:05 AM, Chase Peeler wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 10:49 AM Paul Jones wrote:
> > > > On Jan 2, 2018, at 12:29, Dustin Wheeler wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 12:19 PM, Levi Morrison
Ok, both have been added to the ezmlm deny list for internals
On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 2:49 AM, Nikita Popov wrote:
> Hi,
>
> This mail is going to both the systems group and internals mailing list.
>
> I would like to request a mailing list suspension for the users
> tonymars...@hotmail.com and l
On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 3:26 PM, Rowan Collins
wrote:
> Hi Michael,
>
> On 02/01/2018 10:35, Michael Morris wrote:
>
>> I would like to propose a clean way to add some strong typing to PHP in a
>> manner that is almost fully backward compatible (there is a behavior
>> change
>> with PHP 7 type dec
Second Draft based on the feedback upstream.
Target version: PHP 8.
This is a proposal to strengthen the dynamic type checking of PHP during
development.
Note - this is not a proposal to change PHP to a statically typed language
or to remove PHP's current loose typing rules. PHP is a weakly type
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