> On Jan 3, 2018, at 12:59 PM, Joe Watkins <pthre...@pthreads.org> wrote: > > The precedent has been set already: One of these users was already kicked > off the list and decided to resubscribe and continue to conduct themselves > in an unacceptable manner. > > This is a forum for technical discussion regarding the development of PHP: > We must be able to keep conversation focused and one of the tools we have > to do that is restricting who is able to post. It seems perfectly > reasonable to exercise that power in order to improve the quality of > conversation and keep it focused. > > Banning or suspending these users, and anyone else incapable of conducting > themselves reasonably, will serve that purpose. > > Let's remember that there are a large number of people on the sidelines > that are not subscribed to the list directly, but choose to use news > readers, or the excellent externals.io; They may not able to filter > messages from any individuals, so they are in effect forced to navigate > through these "contributions" from problematic posters. That's not fair to > them, at all. All of the conversations here are a matter of public record, > not only existing in your mail client, or inbox, or whatever ... We can and > should be eliminating noise from that public record. > > Cheers > Joe
Exactly. There needs to be consequences when someone cannot conduct themselves in a manner that's fitting to a technical discussion. It's infuriating when people on this list make personal attacks and then act as though nothing wrong has been done. Clearly either they don't understand or do not care. Either way they need to know there are consequences for such actions. This is not at all about silencing those whose opinions differ from the majority. Those viewpoints are important and must be heard. However relentlessly pushing a particular viewpoint and resorting to personal attacks becomes a problem. At some point it is no longer constructive and is just spam. I and many others avoid participating on the list unless absolutely necessary. There is no time or energy to wade through the noise to find the actual discussion of the topic at hand. > > On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 7:45 PM, Paul Jones <pmjone...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>> On Jan 3, 2018, at 12:35, Joe Watkins <pthre...@pthreads.org> wrote: >>> >>> You don't get to conduct yourself however you want without consequence. >> >> Sure. The question then, is, what is the proper consequence? I hold that >> it is not "banning" or "suspension" (which may or may not actually be >> within the delegated powers of anyone on this list). Instead, it is "to be >> ignored, by those who choose to ignore you." >> Trying to filter out all messages from certain users is untenable. Either too much is filtered because a banned person is CC'ed on a constructive comment, or too little is filtered and there's still noise from those replying to the filtered user. Banning or suspension should not be used lightly, but I think we've reached a point where it is warranted. I think a simple PHP CoC similar to the JS Foundation [1] would be helpful by providing a basis for what is deemed acceptable. Aaron Piotrowski [1] https://js.foundation/community/code-of-conduct -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
