Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

> Am 04.08.2015 um 19:47 schrieb Stephen Coakley : > >> [...] > > My thought is that no, a number of people don't know what a mailing list is > (obviously no one in here already), but everyone knows what a forum is. The > web is everywhere and is taking over the world, whereas mailing lists a

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

On 08/04/2015 12:28 PM, Florian Anderiasch wrote: On 08/03/2015 12:22 AM, Stephen Coakley wrote: Personally, I'd like to see the mailing list move to a forum-type system. Lower barrier of entry, more visible archives, and more modern medium that supports other kinds of attachments and whatnot.

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

On 08/03/2015 12:22 AM, Stephen Coakley wrote: > Personally, I'd like to see the mailing list move to a forum-type > system. Lower barrier of entry, more visible archives, and more modern > medium that supports other kinds of attachments and whatnot. > I don't buy the "lower barrier of entry" ar

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

On Sun, 2015-08-02 at 17:15 -0500, Stephen Coakley wrote: > You have to admit, NNTP news is an aging technology, with fewer and > fewer readers available as time goes on. Nowadays (for graphical > clients), there's Pan, and Thunderbird, and...? I use Thunderbird at the > moment, because I didn't

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

On Sun, 2015-08-02 at 17:28 -0500, Stephen Coakley wrote: > On 08/02/2015 02:35 PM, Johannes Schlüter wrote: > > Step one: Get a proper mail client. In the mail you sent one can't see > > what's from you and what you actually just quoted. All is marked as > > quote. > > E-Mail is great. It is a pus

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

On Mo. Aug. 03 2015 10:40:14 Lester Caine wrote: > On 03/08/15 01:23, Stephen Coakley wrote: >> I don't mean to sound rude, but when have you ever *needed* to access a >> really old message while simultaneously not having Internet access? I >> just can't imagine needing to do such a thing. Not sayi

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

On 03/08/15 01:23, Stephen Coakley wrote: > I don't mean to sound rude, but when have you ever *needed* to access a > really old message while simultaneously not having Internet access? I > just can't imagine needing to do such a thing. Not saying it's wrong for > you to do so. When the local inte

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

On 03/08/15 01:19, Stephen Coakley wrote: > On 08/02/2015 06:31 PM, Lester Caine wrote: >> On 03/08/15 00:01, Markus Malkusch wrote: >>> Anyways, OP was complaining about missing interfaces and features, >>> which is >>> simply not true. You can communicate through Email, NNTP and if one >>> wants

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

On 08/02/2015 06:40 PM, Lester Caine wrote: On 02/08/15 23:41, Stephen Coakley wrote: Thunderbird works great for reading nested replies and past archives, but replying has about a 50% chance of success for me. Oh well. I'm up to 24Gb of history over some 20 years and despite attempts by some

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

On 08/02/2015 06:31 PM, Lester Caine wrote: On 03/08/15 00:01, Markus Malkusch wrote: Anyways, OP was complaining about missing interfaces and features, which is simply not true. You can communicate through Email, NNTP and if one wants a webinterface so hardly just wrap one around NNTP. How can

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

On 02/08/15 23:41, Stephen Coakley wrote: > Thunderbird works great for reading nested replies and past archives, > but replying has about a 50% chance of success for me. Oh well. I'm up to 24Gb of history over some 20 years and despite attempts by some developers to mess it up, Thunderbird does t

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

On 03/08/15 00:01, Markus Malkusch wrote: > Anyways, OP was complaining about missing interfaces and features, which is > simply not true. You can communicate through Email, NNTP and if one wants a > webinterface so hardly just wrap one around NNTP. How can it be more > accessible by reducing it

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

Stephen Coakley wrote: > You have to admit, NNTP news is an aging technology Sadly admited, I didn't touch it since years. Only for you, PHP, I did start my Knode again. And I am very content with this communication channel. Also I like the idea that one has a choice. Anyways, OP was complaini

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

On 08/02/2015 05:31 PM, Rowan Collins wrote: On 2 August 2015 23:15:12 BST, Stephen Coakley wrote: Heck, Thunderbird is technically a "discontinued" product. O/T, but to my knowledge Thunderbird is not discontinued, it's just changed management because Mozilla are no longer paying for it.

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

On 2 August 2015 23:15:12 BST, Stephen Coakley wrote: > Heck, Thunderbird is technically a "discontinued" >product. O/T, but to my knowledge Thunderbird is not discontinued, it's just changed management because Mozilla are no longer paying for it. The new management are actively developing it,

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

On 08/02/2015 02:35 PM, Johannes Schlüter wrote: Step one: Get a proper mail client. In the mail you sent one can't see what's from you and what you actually just quoted. All is marked as quote. E-Mail is great. It is a push service and I as the receiver can handle as it matches my work flow. App

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

On 08/02/2015 08:17 AM, Markus Malkusch wrote: Niklas Keller wrote: 2015-08-02 14:32 GMT+02:00 Markus Malkusch : What wrong with ? That's a joke, right? No it's not, why should it? You did notice the news:// scheme, did you? We're discussing issues here, so what's w

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

On 08/02/2015 08:29 AM, Rowan Collins wrote: On 2 August 2015 13:54:46 BST, Niklas Keller wrote: We're discussing issues here, so what's wrong with an issue tracker? No, we're discussing every aspect of the project, from release management to personal introductions. I agree with this, and

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

Step one: Get a proper mail client. In the mail you sent one can't see what's from you and what you actually just quoted. All is marked as quote. E-Mail is great. It is a push service and I as the receiver can handle as it matches my work flow. Applying custom filters, highlighters, have a threaded

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

On 2 August 2015 15:26:00 BST, Niklas Keller wrote: >How about a tool like Phabricator? I've never used Phabricator, but it does look like a nice project management tool. I first heard of it in reference to Wikimedia migrating a whole bunch of teams to it as a unified tool. However, it's perhap

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

> Am 02.08.2015 um 17:12 schrieb Niklas Keller : > > 2015-08-02 16:48 GMT+02:00 Andreas Heigl : > >> Hi Niklas >> >>> Am 02.08.2015 um 16:26 schrieb Niklas Keller : >>> >>> 2015-08-02 15:29 GMT+02:00 Rowan Collins : >>> > On 2 August 2015 13:54:46 BST, Niklas Keller wrote: > We're d

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

On 2 August 2015 15:26:00 BST, Niklas Keller wrote: >2015-08-02 15:29 GMT+02:00 Rowan Collins : > >> On 2 August 2015 13:54:46 BST, Niklas Keller wrote: >> >We're discussing issues here, so what's wrong with an issue tracker? >> >> No, we're discussing every aspect of the project, from release >

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

2015-08-02 16:48 GMT+02:00 Andreas Heigl : > Hi Niklas > > > Am 02.08.2015 um 16:26 schrieb Niklas Keller : > > > > 2015-08-02 15:29 GMT+02:00 Rowan Collins : > > > >>> On 2 August 2015 13:54:46 BST, Niklas Keller wrote: > >>> We're discussing issues here, so what's wrong with an issue tracker? >

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

Hi Niklas > Am 02.08.2015 um 16:26 schrieb Niklas Keller : > > 2015-08-02 15:29 GMT+02:00 Rowan Collins : > >>> On 2 August 2015 13:54:46 BST, Niklas Keller wrote: >>> We're discussing issues here, so what's wrong with an issue tracker? >> >> No, we're discussing every aspect of the project, f

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

2015-08-02 15:29 GMT+02:00 Rowan Collins : > On 2 August 2015 13:54:46 BST, Niklas Keller wrote: > >We're discussing issues here, so what's wrong with an issue tracker? > > No, we're discussing every aspect of the project, from release management > to personal introductions. Release management

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

On 2 August 2015 13:54:46 BST, Niklas Keller wrote: >We're discussing issues here, so what's wrong with an issue tracker? No, we're discussing every aspect of the project, from release management to personal introductions. >I can see more than one benefit. Probably most important is that you >

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

On 2 August 2015 13:38:47 BST, Dor Tchizik wrote: >On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 3:38 PM Dor Tchizik wrote: > >> On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 3:32 PM Markus Malkusch >wrote: >>> What wrong with ;? >>> >> >> No threads, no searchability, no ability to respond. I don't know what client y

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

Niklas Keller wrote: > 2015-08-02 14:32 GMT+02:00 Markus Malkusch : > >> What wrong with ? > > That's a joke, right? No it's not, why should it? You did notice the news:// scheme, did you? > We're discussing issues here, so what's wrong with an issue tracker? Ok, that's a

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

2015-08-02 14:32 GMT+02:00 Markus Malkusch : > Dor Tchizik wrote: > > > Currently, PHP discussions are held on the various mailing lists, managed > > by an old mailing list system, without any proper alternative interface > to > > follow and respond outside of mailing. > > What wrong with