Naik, Roshan wrote:
Andi wrote:
Oh boy, if you don't see the difference between "concrete
Once again I am *not* asking to hold a whip to the
developers who are working for free here. Just
dont include code until its ready. Let them mature
elsewhere and carefully pick the best of the lot.
Invite
Just to stop some maybe upcoming myths
On 26.8.2004 2:32 Uhr, Naik, Roshan wrote:
sockets, openssl, domxml are very useful extensions. Will these (and all the others)
ever get out of experimental ?
In PHP 5, dom and xsl are not EXPERIMENTAL anymore. This change should
have happend already with t
Andi wrote:
> Oh boy, if you don't see the difference between "concrete
> suggestions to be
> heard that's fine, but try and keep it short, to the point, and
> constructive"
There were concrete solutions (if you cared to read. so atleast
read this one all the way)
And were also backed up by o
On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 17:14, Naik, Roshan wrote:
> I dont beleive all the people are being pissed off. They are just
I didn't even bother reading past this line, and I'll be surprised if
anyone else responds to this because chances are you've already been
filtered out of existence. You're demandin
Roshan,
I have to say I agree with many of the points you're making, and
disagreeing with quite a few as well. Since I do agree with Andi that for
whatever reason, this thread has turned non-constructive, I won't reply
point by point.
The main point I agree with you about is that it doesn't ma
Oh boy, if you don't see the difference between "concrete suggestions to be
heard that's fine, but try and keep it short, to the point, and
constructive" and the email you sent then it is really preferable to
everyone here for you to stop emailing this list.
Andi
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> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 2:14 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] Unfulfilled promises... forever experimental
> extensions... all over again
>
>
> Rasmus wrote:
> >> Really ? Are you sure ?
> >> http:/
Rasmus wrote:
>> Really ? Are you sure ?
>> http://www.zend.com/zend/week/week146.php
> Ok, one self-serving fix.
I was (again) expecting exactly that kind of response. I dont
understand why so much arrogance exists among a select few. And
it unfortunately reflects the community's attitude.
So
David Zülke wrote:
Microsoft with it's 95% browser market share [...] has the responsibility
They don't care about 'responsibility' at all
> to continue development of Internet Explorer, because otherwise the
IE developement hasn't happened in years, they are just now rebuilding
the team they disb
Daniel C. wrote:
Things like "Maybe we shouldn't advertise feature
sets that are still experimental" and "Maybe we should finish up with
these libraries before we move on to new ones." Later he suggested
that experimental libraries be removed from the core installation.
We are already doing this
Guys,
I suggest we stop this thread now. It's just taking up time we could use to
more fruitfully in improving PHP. Please move any further rants off the
internals mailing list and keep them personal.
I do think that if there are some concrete suggestions to be heard that's
fine, but try and kee
I may be mistaken (I often am,) but I don't think anyone has asked
anyone else to put in more time than they are currently. All that was
asked for is a change in the way the PHP team does things. As I
glance over Roshan's first email, all I see are requests that sound
fairly reasonable. Things l
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, David Zülke wrote:
Same thing goes for PHP. You've developed something tens or houndreds of
thousands of developers all over the world are using. They rely on what you
tell them, their businesses rely on that, they need to move on, they need
reliable, stable software. Software
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 06:54:38 +0200, David Zülke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
If you develop software, be it open or closed sourced, and this software
becomes a great success, you bear some responsibility. Microsoft with
it's
95% browser market share (and I don't care if it's 80%, 10%, 99%,
whatev
Actually, I can't imagine that either side was "shouting".
Imagine though, if you will, that PHP is the UN.
You're all delegates or whatever, sitting in a circle around the room
and someone steps in to address you. They criticise existing
practices, and suggest that others need to put more effort
ay, August 26, 2004 5:27 AM
> To: Rasmus Lerdorf
> Cc: Naik, Roshan; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Re: [PHP-DEV] Unfulfilled promises... forever experimental
> extensions... all over again
>
> Here we have a polite, if provocative, email, and two very nasty and
> rude re
Both you and roshan are more than welcome, if not encouraged, to stop
posting if you find us childish, immature and generally "uncool dude."
We apologize for our inferiority, we really wish we had something better
to do than respond to your mails.
-Sterling
Here we have a polite, if provocativ
Here we have a polite, if provocative, email, and two very nasty and
rude responses to it. Followed by a polite response from Roshan. If
you walk into a room and see an argument where one side is yelling and
being rude, and one person is responding calmly and politely, who
would you automatically
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Naik, Roshan wrote:
Wow, that was quite a rant from someone who hasn't contributed a damn
thing.
Really ? Are you sure ?
http://www.zend.com/zend/week/week146.php
Ok, one self-serving fix.
Even if I were someone who never contributed anything to php
and is just a user of it ...
On Aug 25, 2004, at 10:22 PM, Naik, Roshan wrote:
"Nothing prevents us from treating people with patience and courtesy.
Except of course bad manners and bad attitude."
Posting this quote in this thread is beyond ironic.
George
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> From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 5:42 PM
> To: Naik, Roshan
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Unfulfilled promises... forever experimental
> extensions... all over again
>
On August 25, 2004 08:32 pm, Naik, Roshan wrote:
> " And exactly how long is it expected to continue to stay EXPERIMENTAL
> ?"
>
> The response was a predictable one, expressing indifference...
>
> "Between 15 days and 15 months"
I'm afraid Derick's response was somewhat incorrect. Here is a
Thanks for this quite useless and unproductive email.
I suggest to inform yourself slightly better on the tons of improvements
the PHP development team have made and where we are today vs. 4 years ago.
I suggest next time, if you want to be productive, you can contact us with
a concrete problem a
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Naik, Roshan wrote:
> Hopefully belts will be tightened up around the extensions and the
> responsibility taken up by their authors.
Wow, that was quite a rant from someone who hasn't contributed a damn
thing.
People volunteer their time and effort to this project. There are
Every once in a while somebody has to speak out about the state
of the union and bear the brunt of some anger... with a hope
that things will change for the better.
2 years back I started out asking a question being
concerned by the frustration caused to many users (and vendors
alike). Frustrat
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