[PHP-DEV] Re: [PECL-DEV] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PECL-DEV] Re: [PHP-DEV] The Untouchables

2008-04-01 Thread Pierre Joye
Hi Steph, On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Steph Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Pierre, > > > > and about Attic, the idea behind a graveyard was about leaving the > > code around for study purposes. > > Code in the attic can be read online but can't be checked out, so I take > your point a

[PHP-DEV] Re: [PECL-DEV] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PECL-DEV] Re: [PHP-DEV] The Untouchables

2008-04-01 Thread Steph Fox
Hi Pierre, and about Attic, the idea behind a graveyard was about leaving the code around for study purposes. Code in the attic can be read online but can't be checked out, so I take your point about 'study purposes'. I'd use siberia for things like axis2, where the project is live and hoste

[PHP-DEV] Re: [PECL-DEV] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PECL-DEV] Re: [PHP-DEV] The Untouchables

2008-04-01 Thread Pierre Joye
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Steph Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Siberia was meant for dead module with no potential to come back to > > live. > > Not in my eyes. There's only a problem with CVS Attic if you want to bring > something back to life, so if there's no potential for that - wh

[PHP-DEV] Re: [PECL-DEV] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PECL-DEV] Re: [PHP-DEV] The Untouchables

2008-04-01 Thread Steph Fox
Siberia was meant for dead module with no potential to come back to live. Not in my eyes. There's only a problem with CVS Attic if you want to bring something back to life, so if there's no potential for that - why not use it? I can't see how these two can live again as they are under GPL,

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PECL-DEV] Re: [PHP-DEV] The Untouchables

2008-04-01 Thread Pierre Joye
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Steph Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 01.04.2008 17:00, Marcus Boerger wrote: > >>> So - plain old CVS attic or 'siberia' for the GPL'd ones? > >> > >> IMO Attic. > > > > Yep, attic should be fine. > > I agree with you both (consider it done). > We'll ne

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PECL-DEV] Re: [PHP-DEV] The Untouchables

2008-04-01 Thread Steph Fox
On 01.04.2008 17:00, Marcus Boerger wrote: So - plain old CVS attic or 'siberia' for the GPL'd ones? IMO Attic. Yep, attic should be fine. I agree with you both (consider it done). We'll need siberia for modules that have the potential to live again - these two aren't in that category. -

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PECL-DEV] Re: [PHP-DEV] The Untouchables

2008-04-01 Thread Antony Dovgal
On 01.04.2008 17:00, Marcus Boerger wrote: So - plain old CVS attic or 'siberia' for the GPL'd ones? IMO Attic. Yep, attic should be fine. -- Wbr, Antony Dovgal -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

[PHP-DEV] Re: [PECL-DEV] Re: [PHP-DEV] The Untouchables

2008-04-01 Thread Marcus Boerger
Hello Steph, Tuesday, April 1, 2008, 2:50:51 PM, you wrote: > Hi all, >> No need to wait, if the code is under GPL and still there, it must be >> moved out from CVS (both never had a pecl release so it is half of an >> issue). Let say we can move it as soon as the siberia top level module >> is

[PHP-DEV] Re: [PECL-DEV] Re: [PHP-DEV] The Untouchables

2008-04-01 Thread Steph Fox
Hi all, No need to wait, if the code is under GPL and still there, it must be moved out from CVS (both never had a pecl release so it is half of an issue). Let say we can move it as soon as the siberia top level module is in place. OK, I heard from the muscat author. Both GPL'd extensions can

Re: [PHP-DEV] The Untouchables

2008-04-01 Thread Steph Fox
Hi Philip, Recently the pecl/muscat documentation was removed from phpdoc CVS. No horse mouth was involved, but it seemed like a good time. Just recording this to eliminate the bus factor. For the 'dead extensions' page in the manual: The replacement for the PHP interface to the muscat sear

Re: [PHP-DEV] The Untouchables

2008-03-31 Thread Philip Olson
2. I didn't have a response yet regarding pecl/muscat, but it's been superceded by another GPL'd extension which is sited elswhere (Xapian). So I guess we're clear there too, I'd just rather have it from the horse's mouth. Recently the pecl/muscat documentation was removed from phpdoc CVS.

[PHP-DEV] Re: [PECL-DEV] Re: [PHP-DEV] The Untouchables

2008-03-31 Thread Pierre Joye
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Steph Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Pierre, > > > > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Marcus Boerger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Did we not disallow GPL'd extensions in PECL? > > > > We do. > > At least one of those extensions was originally move

[PHP-DEV] Re: [PECL-DEV] Re: [PHP-DEV] The Untouchables

2008-03-31 Thread Steph Fox
Hi Pierre, On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Marcus Boerger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Did we not disallow GPL'd extensions in PECL? We do. At least one of those extensions was originally moved out of the PHP core into PECL *because* it was GPL'd. We're mixing old extensions and new rules

Re: [PHP-DEV] The Untouchables

2008-03-31 Thread Pierre Joye
Hi Marcus, On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Marcus Boerger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Did we not disallow GPL'd extensions in PECL? We do. > If not can we finally require OSI approved licenses only and disallow > proprietary and GPL specifically? We do as well: http://pecl.php.net/accoun

Re: [PHP-DEV] The Untouchables

2008-03-31 Thread Olivier Hill
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Marcus Boerger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Did we not disallow GPL'd extensions in PECL? I though so. > If not can we finally require OSI approved licenses only and disallow > proprietary and GPL specifically? +1 Olivier -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime D

Re: [PHP-DEV] The Untouchables

2008-03-31 Thread Steph Fox
Hi Marcus, boy you're everywhere at once... Did we not disallow GPL'd extensions in PECL? If not can we finally require OSI approved licenses only and disallow proprietary and GPL specifically? Update: I've written to the authors of both the GPL'd extensions and daffodildb (proprietary licen

Re: [PHP-DEV] The Untouchables

2008-03-31 Thread Marcus Boerger
Hello Steph, Monday, March 31, 2008, 1:02:46 PM, you wrote: > OK, so I just put in 140-something module updates... manually, grumble. I > (hopefully) avoided anything in core, whether that be PHP 4 or 5 - the way > we version core modules is going to need much more thought. > Apart from those,

[PHP-DEV] The Untouchables

2008-03-31 Thread Steph Fox
OK, so I just put in 140-something module updates... manually, grumble. I (hopefully) avoided anything in core, whether that be PHP 4 or 5 - the way we version core modules is going to need much more thought. Apart from those, here's a list of the PECL extensions I can't or won't touch. It see