Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

> Am 04.08.2015 um 19:47 schrieb Stephen Coakley : > >> [...] > > My thought is that no, a number of people don't know what a mailing list is > (obviously no one in here already), but everyone knows what a forum is. The > web is everywhere and is taking over the world, whereas mailing lists a

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

On 08/04/2015 12:28 PM, Florian Anderiasch wrote: On 08/03/2015 12:22 AM, Stephen Coakley wrote: Personally, I'd like to see the mailing list move to a forum-type system. Lower barrier of entry, more visible archives, and more modern medium that supports other kinds of attachments and whatnot.

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

On 08/03/2015 12:22 AM, Stephen Coakley wrote: > Personally, I'd like to see the mailing list move to a forum-type > system. Lower barrier of entry, more visible archives, and more modern > medium that supports other kinds of attachments and whatnot. > I don't buy the "lower barrier of entry" ar

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

On Sun, 2015-08-02 at 17:15 -0500, Stephen Coakley wrote: > You have to admit, NNTP news is an aging technology, with fewer and > fewer readers available as time goes on. Nowadays (for graphical > clients), there's Pan, and Thunderbird, and...? I use Thunderbird at the > moment, because I didn't

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

On Sun, 2015-08-02 at 17:28 -0500, Stephen Coakley wrote: > On 08/02/2015 02:35 PM, Johannes Schlüter wrote: > > Step one: Get a proper mail client. In the mail you sent one can't see > > what's from you and what you actually just quoted. All is marked as > > quote. > > E-Mail is great. It is a pus

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

On Mo. Aug. 03 2015 10:40:14 Lester Caine wrote: > On 03/08/15 01:23, Stephen Coakley wrote: >> I don't mean to sound rude, but when have you ever *needed* to access a >> really old message while simultaneously not having Internet access? I >> just can't imagine needing to do such a thing. Not sayi

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

On 03/08/15 01:23, Stephen Coakley wrote: > I don't mean to sound rude, but when have you ever *needed* to access a > really old message while simultaneously not having Internet access? I > just can't imagine needing to do such a thing. Not saying it's wrong for > you to do so. When the local inte

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

On 03/08/15 01:19, Stephen Coakley wrote: > On 08/02/2015 06:31 PM, Lester Caine wrote: >> On 03/08/15 00:01, Markus Malkusch wrote: >>> Anyways, OP was complaining about missing interfaces and features, >>> which is >>> simply not true. You can communicate through Email, NNTP and if one >>> wants

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

On 08/02/2015 06:40 PM, Lester Caine wrote: On 02/08/15 23:41, Stephen Coakley wrote: Thunderbird works great for reading nested replies and past archives, but replying has about a 50% chance of success for me. Oh well. I'm up to 24Gb of history over some 20 years and despite attempts by some

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

On 08/02/2015 06:31 PM, Lester Caine wrote: On 03/08/15 00:01, Markus Malkusch wrote: Anyways, OP was complaining about missing interfaces and features, which is simply not true. You can communicate through Email, NNTP and if one wants a webinterface so hardly just wrap one around NNTP. How can

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

On 02/08/15 23:41, Stephen Coakley wrote: > Thunderbird works great for reading nested replies and past archives, > but replying has about a 50% chance of success for me. Oh well. I'm up to 24Gb of history over some 20 years and despite attempts by some developers to mess it up, Thunderbird does t

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

On 03/08/15 00:01, Markus Malkusch wrote: > Anyways, OP was complaining about missing interfaces and features, which is > simply not true. You can communicate through Email, NNTP and if one wants a > webinterface so hardly just wrap one around NNTP. How can it be more > accessible by reducing it

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

Stephen Coakley wrote: > You have to admit, NNTP news is an aging technology Sadly admited, I didn't touch it since years. Only for you, PHP, I did start my Knode again. And I am very content with this communication channel. Also I like the idea that one has a choice. Anyways, OP was complaini

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

On 08/02/2015 05:31 PM, Rowan Collins wrote: On 2 August 2015 23:15:12 BST, Stephen Coakley wrote: Heck, Thunderbird is technically a "discontinued" product. O/T, but to my knowledge Thunderbird is not discontinued, it's just changed management because Mozilla are no longer paying for it.

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

On 2 August 2015 23:15:12 BST, Stephen Coakley wrote: > Heck, Thunderbird is technically a "discontinued" >product. O/T, but to my knowledge Thunderbird is not discontinued, it's just changed management because Mozilla are no longer paying for it. The new management are actively developing it,

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

On 08/02/2015 02:35 PM, Johannes Schlüter wrote: Step one: Get a proper mail client. In the mail you sent one can't see what's from you and what you actually just quoted. All is marked as quote. E-Mail is great. It is a push service and I as the receiver can handle as it matches my work flow. App

[PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

On 08/02/2015 07:01 AM, Dor Tchizik wrote: Hello internals! I wanted to propose a change to how PHP discussions are made. Currently, PHP discussions are held on the various mailing lists, managed by an old mailing list system, without any proper alternative interface to follow and respond outsi

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

On 08/02/2015 08:17 AM, Markus Malkusch wrote: Niklas Keller wrote: 2015-08-02 14:32 GMT+02:00 Markus Malkusch : What wrong with ? That's a joke, right? No it's not, why should it? You did notice the news:// scheme, did you? We're discussing issues here, so what's w

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

On 08/02/2015 08:29 AM, Rowan Collins wrote: On 2 August 2015 13:54:46 BST, Niklas Keller wrote: We're discussing issues here, so what's wrong with an issue tracker? No, we're discussing every aspect of the project, from release management to personal introductions. I agree with this, and

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

Step one: Get a proper mail client. In the mail you sent one can't see what's from you and what you actually just quoted. All is marked as quote. E-Mail is great. It is a push service and I as the receiver can handle as it matches my work flow. Applying custom filters, highlighters, have a threaded

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

On 2 August 2015 15:26:00 BST, Niklas Keller wrote: >How about a tool like Phabricator? I've never used Phabricator, but it does look like a nice project management tool. I first heard of it in reference to Wikimedia migrating a whole bunch of teams to it as a unified tool. However, it's perhap

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

> Am 02.08.2015 um 17:12 schrieb Niklas Keller : > > 2015-08-02 16:48 GMT+02:00 Andreas Heigl : > >> Hi Niklas >> >>> Am 02.08.2015 um 16:26 schrieb Niklas Keller : >>> >>> 2015-08-02 15:29 GMT+02:00 Rowan Collins : >>> > On 2 August 2015 13:54:46 BST, Niklas Keller wrote: > We're d

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

On 2 August 2015 15:26:00 BST, Niklas Keller wrote: >2015-08-02 15:29 GMT+02:00 Rowan Collins : > >> On 2 August 2015 13:54:46 BST, Niklas Keller wrote: >> >We're discussing issues here, so what's wrong with an issue tracker? >> >> No, we're discussing every aspect of the project, from release >

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

2015-08-02 16:48 GMT+02:00 Andreas Heigl : > Hi Niklas > > > Am 02.08.2015 um 16:26 schrieb Niklas Keller : > > > > 2015-08-02 15:29 GMT+02:00 Rowan Collins : > > > >>> On 2 August 2015 13:54:46 BST, Niklas Keller wrote: > >>> We're discussing issues here, so what's wrong with an issue tracker? >

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

Hi Niklas > Am 02.08.2015 um 16:26 schrieb Niklas Keller : > > 2015-08-02 15:29 GMT+02:00 Rowan Collins : > >>> On 2 August 2015 13:54:46 BST, Niklas Keller wrote: >>> We're discussing issues here, so what's wrong with an issue tracker? >> >> No, we're discussing every aspect of the project, f

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

2015-08-02 15:29 GMT+02:00 Rowan Collins : > On 2 August 2015 13:54:46 BST, Niklas Keller wrote: > >We're discussing issues here, so what's wrong with an issue tracker? > > No, we're discussing every aspect of the project, from release management > to personal introductions. Release management

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

On 2 August 2015 13:54:46 BST, Niklas Keller wrote: >We're discussing issues here, so what's wrong with an issue tracker? No, we're discussing every aspect of the project, from release management to personal introductions. >I can see more than one benefit. Probably most important is that you >

[PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

Dor Tchizik wrote: > malkusch: > >> What wrong with ? > > No threads, no searchability, no ability to respond. Try to use any decent newsreader and there you have everything you are missing. I do note that we also have a misunderstanding. I am not talking about that readon

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

On 2 August 2015 13:38:47 BST, Dor Tchizik wrote: >On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 3:38 PM Dor Tchizik wrote: > >> On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 3:32 PM Markus Malkusch >wrote: >>> What wrong with ;? >>> >> >> No threads, no searchability, no ability to respond. I don't know what client y

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

Niklas Keller wrote: > 2015-08-02 14:32 GMT+02:00 Markus Malkusch : > >> What wrong with ? > > That's a joke, right? No it's not, why should it? You did notice the news:// scheme, did you? > We're discussing issues here, so what's wrong with an issue tracker? Ok, that's a

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

2015-08-02 14:32 GMT+02:00 Markus Malkusch : > Dor Tchizik wrote: > > > Currently, PHP discussions are held on the various mailing lists, managed > > by an old mailing list system, without any proper alternative interface > to > > follow and respond outside of mailing. > > What wrong with

[PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 3:38 PM Dor Tchizik wrote: > On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 3:32 PM Markus Malkusch wrote: > >> Dor Tchizik wrote: >> >> > Currently, PHP discussions are held on the various mailing lists, >> managed >> > by an old mailing list system, without any proper alternative interface >> t

[PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium

Dor Tchizik wrote: > Currently, PHP discussions are held on the various mailing lists, managed > by an old mailing list system, without any proper alternative interface to > follow and respond outside of mailing. What wrong with ? > I propose that internals discussion to be