[PHP-DEV] Re: [lists.php] Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6 : a new API ?

2013-02-22 Thread ALeX
> So why not avoiding this by adding it as methods of the scalar variable > instead, aka autoboxing. > This would allow the new api to be closer to what people are used to from > other languages, needs far less typing and IDE autocomplete of available > functions pr type with "->". I would also

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6 : a new API ?

2013-02-21 Thread André Rømcke
On Feb 20, 2013, at 11:19 , Sebastian Krebs wrote: > 2013/2/20 Klaus Ufo > >> Hi there ! >> >> We all know that the current PHP API has flaws. Maybe we could use >> namespaces to build a new coherent PHP API ? Like : >> >> - \arr >> - \num >> - \str >> >> and so on. Advantages : >> >> - no

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6 : a new API ?

2013-02-20 Thread Michael Shadle
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Wim Godden wrote: > I agree that in most cases, that's a good thing. But it's also how we ended > up with a thing called the Y2k problem : stuff running forever. > > Disclaimer : I've been developing with PHP since 1997, so I'm very fond of > the language. "If it

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6 : a new API ?

2013-02-20 Thread Wim Godden
Michael Shadle wrote: I'm aware people complain about PHP flaws, but having misc global core functions for strings, arrays and other data types is a new one. I am still a purest at heart and don't see the need for namespacing in general. I am thinking it provides some lower level memory space

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6 : a new API ?

2013-02-20 Thread Sebastian Krebs
2013/2/20 Klaus Ufo > Hi there ! > > We all know that the current PHP API has flaws. Maybe we could use > namespaces to build a new coherent PHP API ? Like : > > - \arr > - \num > - \str > > and so on. Advantages : > > - no more global functions > Just to throw that in: Even if you pack them int

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6 : a new API ?

2013-02-20 Thread Florin Razvan Patan
Hello, On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Klaus Ufo wrote: > Hi there ! > > We all know that the current PHP API has flaws. Maybe we could use namespaces > to build a new coherent PHP API ? Like : > > - \arr > - \num > - \str > > and so on. Advantages : > > - no more global functions I actually l

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6 : a new API ?

2013-02-20 Thread Michael Shadle
On 02/19/2013 11:22 PM, Klaus Ufo wrote: > Hi there ! > > We all know that the current PHP API has flaws. Maybe we could use namespaces > to build a new coherent PHP API ? Like : > > - \arr > - \num > - \str > > and so on. Advantages : > > - no more global functions > - separation of concerns

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6 : a new API ?

2013-02-19 Thread Christopher Jones
On 02/19/2013 11:22 PM, Klaus Ufo wrote: Hi there ! We all know that the current PHP API has flaws. Maybe we could use namespaces to build a new coherent PHP API ? Like : - \arr - \num - \str and so on. Advantages : - no more global functions - separation of concerns - backward compatibili

[PHP-DEV] PHP 6 : a new API ?

2013-02-19 Thread Klaus Ufo
Hi there ! We all know that the current PHP API has flaws. Maybe we could use namespaces to build a new coherent PHP API ? Like : - \arr - \num - \str and so on. Advantages : - no more global functions - separation of concerns - backward compatibility - work can be done progressively - easy to

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-21 Thread Johannes Schlüter
ck Rethans > >> Cc: PHP Developers Mailing List > >> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6 > >> > >> We need to focus on Unicode more than what some says, whether this > >> means descoping the Unicode release or not. However, this means that > > the > &g

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-18 Thread David Soria Parra
t;> Cc: PHP Developers Mailing List >>> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6 >>> >>> We need to focus on Unicode more than what some says, whether this >>> means descoping the Unicode release or not. However, this means that >> the >>> development f

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-18 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
On 18.03.2010, at 06:55, Andi Gutmans wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: Olivier Hill [mailto:olivier.h...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 10:15 AM >> To: Derick Rethans >> Cc: PHP Developers Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-18 Thread Lester Caine
Andi Gutmans wrote: We need to focus on Unicode more than what some says, whether this means descoping the Unicode release or not. However, this means that the development focus needs to be towards new features AND Unicode, not having the new feature branch, and the siberia branch with Unicode

RE: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-17 Thread Andi Gutmans
> -Original Message- > From: Olivier Hill [mailto:olivier.h...@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 10:15 AM > To: Derick Rethans > Cc: PHP Developers Mailing List > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6 > > We need to focus on Unicode more than what some sa

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-17 Thread Ferenc Kovacs
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Geoffrey Sneddon wrote: > > On 12 Mar 2010, at 20:15, Philip Olson wrote: > >> >> On Mar 12, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: >> >>> Hi! >>> Yeah. We tried it, and it simply didn't pan out (performance, bc, lost interest, ..). >>> >>> I

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-17 Thread Geoffrey Sneddon
On 12 Mar 2010, at 20:15, Philip Olson wrote: On Mar 12, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: Hi! Yeah. We tried it, and it simply didn't pan out (performance, bc, lost interest, ..). I think it is a bit premature to declare the death of Unicode in PHP. Yes, we know there are

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-16 Thread David Soria Parra
On 2010-03-13, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: > +1 > > As for the exact features to merge, lets first start with formulating a plan > about what we want to see in the next release. I also think it makes sense to > base the number and scope if the features on a rough idea of when we want to > see this

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-14 Thread Chen Ze
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Pierre Joye wrote: > On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Chen Ze wrote: >> I think unicode should only care for string handling. Formatting >> numbers should not be the thing that unicode cares. Unicode is a >> standard for text, not for text or number formatting. >

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-14 Thread Andrei Zmievski
On 3/13/10 11:57 AM, Derick Rethans wrote: I am also in favour for getting back to one branch for new development. And that "branch" should be trunk. However, I am a little bit reluctant to just "kill" all Unicode support. I don't think we can get around the fact that propr Unicode support is goi

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-13 Thread Pierre Joye
hi, On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: >> - get rid of Jani's play branch > > I don't think Jani has messed up anything in that branch yet, so that > could be the new trunk.  It's just cloned from 5.3 exactly like you are > proposing. Not exactly, there are commits done in 5

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-13 Thread Eric Stewart
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Derick Rethans wrote: > On Thu, 11 Mar 2010, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > > > So I think Lukas and others are right, let's move the PHP 6 trunk to a > > branch since we are still going to need a bunch of code from it and > > move development to trunk and start explori

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-13 Thread Olivier Hill
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Derick Rethans wrote: > > As I now have plenty of time to work on things, I'd be happy to act as > RM, and wouldn't mind working on roadmaps and sorting out what good bits > we have/had, and which things we don't want to port back into the new > trunk. Depending o

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-13 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
On 03/13/2010 08:57 AM, Derick Rethans wrote: > On Thu, 11 Mar 2010, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > >> So I think Lukas and others are right, let's move the PHP 6 trunk to a >> branch since we are still going to need a bunch of code from it and >> move development to trunk and start exploring lighter a

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-13 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
On 13.03.2010, at 17:57, Derick Rethans wrote: > I do however think that most of the current approaches of adding Unicode > support into PHP 6 (current trunk) have the proper ideas behind that, > but I do think that in some cases we went slightly overboard of > supporting Unicode everywhere wi

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-13 Thread Moriyoshi Koizumi
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 1:57 AM, Derick Rethans wrote: > - in the meanwhile, start working on patching in back Unicode support, >  but in small steps. Exactly which things, and how we'd have to find >  out. But I do think it needs to be a *core* language feature, and not >  simply solved by exten

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-13 Thread Johannes Schlüter
Hi, On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 11:57 -0500, Derick Rethans wrote: > So I would suggest the following things to do: > > - get rid of Jani's play branch > - move trunk to branches/FIRST_UNICODE_IDEA > - put 5.2 in security fix only mode > - pht 5.3 in bug fix only mode > - start adding new features (tra

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-13 Thread Derick Rethans
On Sat, 13 Mar 2010, Moriyoshi Koizumi wrote: > Huh? mbstring has been capable of handling lots of encodings other > than UTF-8 since it was introduced. I meant to say that mbstring does string manipulation functions, not full unicode support. Derick -- http://derickrethans.nl | http://xdebug

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-13 Thread Derick Rethans
On Thu, 11 Mar 2010, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > So I think Lukas and others are right, let's move the PHP 6 trunk to a > branch since we are still going to need a bunch of code from it and > move development to trunk and start exploring lighter and more > approachable ways to attack Unicode. We h

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-13 Thread Pierre Joye
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Moriyoshi Koizumi wrote: > Surprisingly, It can be done quite easily with the current object > handler infrastructure. I don't think It is about how easy it can be done using only object but about opening the pandora box while trying to figure out higher prioritie

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-13 Thread Moriyoshi Koizumi
It looks like I stripped off too much. Attached is the right one. Moriyoshi On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Moriyoshi Koizumi wrote: > Surprisingly, It can be done quite easily with the current object > handler infrastructure. > > Moriyoshi > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 12:08 AM, Pierre Joye wr

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-13 Thread Moriyoshi Koizumi
Surprisingly, It can be done quite easily with the current object handler infrastructure. Moriyoshi On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 12:08 AM, Pierre Joye wrote: > On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Moriyoshi Koizumi wrote: > >> I don't totally agree with what is being said here, but I guess we >> don't h

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-13 Thread Pierre Joye
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Moriyoshi Koizumi wrote: > I don't totally agree with what is being said here, but I guess we > don't have to make Unicode a first-class value.  Once operator > overloading is supported, Unicode strings can be represented as > objects, like Python does although  I

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-13 Thread Moriyoshi Koizumi
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Chen Ze wrote: > I think unicode should only care for string handling. Formatting > numbers should not be the thing that unicode cares. Unicode is a > standard for text, not for text or number formatting. > > Back to the days we don't have unicode, the number forma

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-13 Thread Moriyoshi Koizumi
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Lester Caine wrote: > Handling unicode CONTENT is not the problem here. People nowadays expect to > be able to use their own language to write code, and create functions using > words that they recognize. In databases, table and field names are now > expected to su

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-13 Thread Jordi Boggiano
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Lester Caine wrote: > It was my understanding that PHP6 was intended to provide international > users with something that they could use in their own native language? > Unicode titled files with unicode titled classes and functions. Please get your facts straight

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-13 Thread Pierre Joye
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Chen Ze wrote: > I think unicode should only care for string handling. Formatting > numbers should not be the thing that unicode cares. Unicode is a > standard for text, not for text or number formatting. That's a totally wrong statement. Please read Unicode spec

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-13 Thread Lester Caine
Chen Ze wrote: On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 2:34 AM, Derick Rethans wrote: On Fri, 12 Mar 2010, Hannes Magnusson wrote: On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 17:38, Moriyoshi Koizumi wrote: I'd love to see my brand-new mbstring implementation in the release. Dropping mbstring completely won't be any good beca

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-13 Thread Chen Ze
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 2:34 AM, Derick Rethans wrote: > On Fri, 12 Mar 2010, Hannes Magnusson wrote: > >> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 17:38, Moriyoshi Koizumi wrote: >> > I'd love to see my brand-new mbstring implementation in the release. >> > Dropping mbstring completely won't be any good because

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-12 Thread Moriyoshi Koizumi
Huh? mbstring has been capable of handling lots of encodings other than UTF-8 since it was introduced. We might often find it annoying that Unicode is handled transparently through I/O functions when the internal encoding is different from the outside encoding. It just seems you didn't ever make

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-12 Thread Hannes Magnusson
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 19:46, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > >> Yeah. >> We tried it, and it simply didn't pan out (performance, bc, lost interest, >> ..). > > I think it is a bit premature to declare the death of Unicode in PHP. Yes, > we know there are problems, and yes, it was harder that i

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-12 Thread Philip Olson
On Mar 12, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > >> Yeah. >> We tried it, and it simply didn't pan out (performance, bc, lost interest, >> ..). > > I think it is a bit premature to declare the death of Unicode in PHP. Yes, we > know there are problems, and yes, it was harder th

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-12 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
Hi! Yeah. We tried it, and it simply didn't pan out (performance, bc, lost interest, ..). I think it is a bit premature to declare the death of Unicode in PHP. Yes, we know there are problems, and yes, it was harder that initially thought, so we may want to take a step back and rethink it. A

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-12 Thread Hannes Magnusson
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 19:29, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > >> Thats actually one of the ideas we had on IRC. >> That mbstring patch and more ext/intl features should be enough to >> solve "the unicode problem". > > That depends on your definition of "unicode problem". Original definition > A

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-12 Thread Derick Rethans
On Fri, 12 Mar 2010, Hannes Magnusson wrote: > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 17:38, Moriyoshi Koizumi wrote: > > I'd love to see my brand-new mbstring implementation in the release. > > Dropping mbstring completely won't be any good because lots of > > applications rely on it, but I don't really want t

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-12 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
Hi! Thats actually one of the ideas we had on IRC. That mbstring patch and more ext/intl features should be enough to solve "the unicode problem". That depends on your definition of "unicode problem". Original definition AFAIK was that you shouldn't care about the encodings anymore and all U

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-12 Thread Hannes Magnusson
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 17:38, Moriyoshi Koizumi wrote: > I'd love to see my brand-new mbstring implementation in the release. > Dropping mbstring completely won't be any good because lots of > applications rely on it, but I don't really want to maintain the funky > library bundled with it. Thats

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-12 Thread Jani Taskinen
Is that new implementation in trunk already? Is it (or will it be) backwards compatible with the current one? --Jani On 03/12/2010 06:38 PM, Moriyoshi Koizumi wrote: I'd love to see my brand-new mbstring implementation in the release. Dropping mbstring completely won't be any good because lot

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6 as we know it suddenly died?

2010-03-12 Thread Tomas Kuliavas
Keryx Web rašė: 2. If so, what will happen to array access in strings that are de facto Unicode? Will the more clunky mb_substr() be the only option? What will happen to array access in unicode strings, if code wants to access them in bytes? Will some backwards incompatible binary be the only

Re: [PHP-DEV] Tests repository (was: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6)

2010-03-12 Thread Gwynne Raskind
On Mar 12, 2010, at 5:33 AM, Pierre Joye wrote: >> Having tests in multiple branches is PITA. Hasn't anyone considered that the >> best way would be to move all tests into their own repository >> (directory..whatever :) in SVN..? Considering they are supposed to be used >> for testing against regre

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-12 Thread Lester Caine
Christopher Jones wrote: Lester Caine wrote: Currently maintaining the 5.2 branch is essential until such time as all extensions are available in official builds of PHP on windows! Forcing projects to change their development platforms simply to support a blinkered set of rules on PHP is not

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-12 Thread Pierre Joye
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Christopher Jones wrote: > > > Lester Caine wrote: > >> Currently maintaining the 5.2 branch is essential until such time as all >> extensions are available in official builds of PHP on windows! Forcing >> projects to change their development platforms simply to su

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-12 Thread Ferenc Kovacs
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Christopher Jones wrote: > Nobody is arguing against maintaining 5.2 for the near-mid future. > If you want Windows binaries, start building . . . . You should replace the "PECL extensions for Windows is being worked on. The interface on the pecl website will mo

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-12 Thread Moriyoshi Koizumi
I'd love to see my brand-new mbstring implementation in the release. Dropping mbstring completely won't be any good because lots of applications rely on it, but I don't really want to maintain the funky library bundled with it. Moriyoshi On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 2:22 AM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > A

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-12 Thread Ferenc Kovacs
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Lester Caine wrote: > Ferenc Kovacs wrote: >> >> if you mentioned windows builds, whats the current status of >> http://pecl4win.php.net/ ? > > Also only available for PHP5.2 ;) I mean when will be avaiable, the current situation sucks for the developers who prefer

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-12 Thread Christopher Jones
Lester Caine wrote: Currently maintaining the 5.2 branch is essential until such time as all extensions are available in official builds of PHP on windows! Forcing projects to change their development platforms simply to support a blinkered set of rules on PHP is not helpful in moving the pr

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-12 Thread Jani Taskinen
On 03/11/2010 11:41 PM, Christopher Jones wrote: Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: > +1. I think we need we need to make "HEAD" a common use branch where > most of the developers trees are at and current HEAD iteration is just > not it. I'm +1. Jani's recent 5.3 changes should be reverted, PHP_5_4 rebr

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-12 Thread Ronald Chmara
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 2:04 AM, Pierre Joye wrote: > hi, > > On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 6:22 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: >> Ah, Jani went a little crazy today in his typical style to force a >> decision.  The real decision is not whether to have a version 5.4 or >> not Jani is passionate, and that's

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6 as we know it suddenly died?

2010-03-12 Thread Jani Taskinen
On 03/12/2010 01:40 PM, Keryx Web wrote: If the next update is quite big and breaks backwards compatibility in some ways, go directly to 7. Yes, I hope others get over the version-fobia too. :) We can't call the new (soon to be?) trunk PHP 6. Calling it 5.4 is not working either considering th

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6 as we know it suddenly died?

2010-03-12 Thread Keryx Web
2010-03-11 18:22, Rasmus Lerdorf skrev: Ah, Jani went a little crazy today in his typical style to force a decision. The real decision is not whether to have a version 5.4 or not, it is all about solving the Unicode problem. The current effort has obviously stalled. We need to figure out how t

Re: [PHP-DEV] Tests repository (was: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6)

2010-03-12 Thread Pierre Joye
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Jani Taskinen wrote: > Having tests in multiple branches is PITA. Hasn't anyone considered that the > best way would be to move all tests into their own repository > (directory..whatever :) in SVN..? Considering they are supposed to be used > for testing against r

Re: [PHP-DEV] Tests repository (was: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6)

2010-03-12 Thread Hannes Magnusson
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:18, Jani Taskinen wrote: > Having tests in multiple branches is PITA. Hasn't anyone considered that the > best way would be to move all tests into their own repository > (directory..whatever :) in SVN..? Considering they are supposed to be used > for testing against regr

[PHP-DEV] Tests repository (was: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6)

2010-03-12 Thread Jani Taskinen
Having tests in multiple branches is PITA. Hasn't anyone considered that the best way would be to move all tests into their own repository (directory..whatever :) in SVN..? Considering they are supposed to be used for testing against regressions and BC breaks, they should always be runnable usi

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-12 Thread Pierre Joye
hi, On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 6:22 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > Ah, Jani went a little crazy today in his typical style to force a > decision.  The real decision is not whether to have a version 5.4 or > not It is really annoying that no matter who says it, Jani keeps doing whatever he wants. That'

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-12 Thread Lester Caine
Ferenc Kovacs wrote: if you mentioned windows builds, whats the current status of http://pecl4win.php.net/ ? Also only available for PHP5.2 ;) ( If you must top post TRIM :( ) -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electr

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-12 Thread Ferenc Kovacs
if you mentioned windows builds, whats the current status of http://pecl4win.php.net/ ? Tyrael On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 6:54 AM, Lester Caine wrote: > Rafael Dohms wrote: >> >> 2010/3/11 Johannes Schlüter: >> >>> >>> On the other hand merging tests to5.2 and 5.3 means that we can find new >>> BC

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-11 Thread Lester Caine
Rafael Dohms wrote: 2010/3/11 Johannes Schlüter: On the other hand merging tests to5.2 and 5.3 means that we can find new BC breaks we had overseen and either fix them or document them properly. So I won't "waste" too much time but not forget about 5.2. As much as I agree with the push for

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-11 Thread Rafael Dohms
2010/3/11 Johannes Schlüter : > > On the other hand merging tests to5.2 and 5.3 means that we can find new > BC breaks we had overseen and either fix them or document them properly. > > So I won't "waste" too much time but not forget about 5.2. > > johannes > > As much as I agree with the push f

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-11 Thread Christopher Jones
Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: > Even though the 5.2 code base is fairly mature, it is far from being bug > free. Unit tests are often a good way to identify corner cases that may > not be handled properly even in the stable branches, so more tests IMHO > is a good thing. Until the decision is made to

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-11 Thread Johannes Schlüter
On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 17:44 -0500, Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: > Even though the 5.2 code base is fairly mature, it is far from being bug > free. Unit tests are often a good way to identify corner cases that may > not be handled properly even in the stable branches, so more tests IMHO > is a good thing

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-11 Thread Christopher Jones
Stanislav Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > >> I'd also like to see us start a slow deprioritization of 5.2 work. >> Instead effort should go into making 5.3 the prefered stable branch. >> One specific example is that Test Fest 2010 tests shouldn't be merged >> to 5.2. > > I agree with you on 5.3 in gener

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-11 Thread Ilia Alshanetsky
Even though the 5.2 code base is fairly mature, it is far from being bug free. Unit tests are often a good way to identify corner cases that may not be handled properly even in the stable branches, so more tests IMHO is a good thing. Until the decision is made to discontinue the 5.2 branch, which s

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-11 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
Hi! I'd also like to see us start a slow deprioritization of 5.2 work. Instead effort should go into making 5.3 the prefered stable branch. One specific example is that Test Fest 2010 tests shouldn't be merged to 5.2. I agree with you on 5.3 in general but I think having more tests in 5.2 wou

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-11 Thread Christopher Jones
Eric Stewart wrote: > Focusing TestFest on 5.3 was not how I had envisioned TestFest 2010, I was > operating under the assumption we would be committing all applicable tests > to 5.2, 5.3 and 6.0 as was done last year. Focusing strictly on 5.3 > certainly makes my job (and others working on Tes

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-11 Thread Eric Stewart
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Christopher Jones < christopher.jo...@oracle.com> wrote: > > > Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: > > +1. I think we need we need to make "HEAD" a common use branch where > > most of the developers trees are at and current HEAD iteration is just > > not it. > > I'm +1. Jani'

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-11 Thread Pierre Joye
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 10:24 PM, Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: > +1. I think we need we need to make "HEAD" a common use branch where > most of the developers trees are at and current HEAD iteration is just > not it. That's my oppinion as well. Trunk should be a common development branch. Once we deci

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-11 Thread Christopher Jones
Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: > +1. I think we need we need to make "HEAD" a common use branch where > most of the developers trees are at and current HEAD iteration is just > not it. I'm +1. Jani's recent 5.3 changes should be reverted, PHP_5_4 rebranched again, and then the fixes/features merged t

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-11 Thread Ilia Alshanetsky
+1. I think we need we need to make "HEAD" a common use branch where most of the developers trees are at and current HEAD iteration is just not it. On 10-03-11 12:22 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > Ah, Jani went a little crazy today in his typical style to force a > decision. The real decision is not

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-11 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
On 03/11/2010 12:20 PM, Jani Taskinen wrote: > The main focus should be that we actually start working. And not wait > for someone to do something miraculous on their own. I'm just sick and > tired of the cloak and dagger style and secret meetings and committees. > So please, do the talking openly

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-11 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
On 11.03.2010, at 21:20, Jani Taskinen wrote: > The main focus should be that we actually start working. And not wait for > someone to do something miraculous on their own. I'm just sick and tired of > the cloak and dagger style and secret meetings and committees. So please, do > the talking o

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-11 Thread Jani Taskinen
11.3.2010 19:54, Johannes Schlüter wrote: On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 18:46 +0100, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: +1 for moving trunk to a branch and moving 5.3 to trunk. not moving 5.3 to trunk but a 5.3 copy (branched of), 5.3 should be stable stuff (fixes) only. Guess you meant to say that, but better

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-11 Thread Jani Taskinen
11.3.2010 19:22, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: So I think Lukas and others are right, let's move the PHP 6 trunk to a branch since we are still going to need a bunch of code from it and move development to trunk and start exploring lighter and more approachable ways to attack Unicode. We have a few alre

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-11 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
On 11.03.2010, at 18:54, Johannes Schlüter wrote: > On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 18:46 +0100, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: >> +1 for moving trunk to a branch and moving 5.3 to trunk. > > not moving 5.3 to trunk but a 5.3 copy (branched of), 5.3 should be > stable stuff (fixes) only. Guess you meant to say

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-11 Thread Johannes Schlüter
On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 18:46 +0100, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: > +1 for moving trunk to a branch and moving 5.3 to trunk. not moving 5.3 to trunk but a 5.3 copy (branched of), 5.3 should be stable stuff (fixes) only. Guess you meant to say that, but better to be clear. johannes -- PHP Internals -

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-11 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
On 11.03.2010, at 18:22, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > Ah, Jani went a little crazy today in his typical style to force a > decision. The real decision is not whether to have a version 5.4 or > not, it is all about solving the Unicode problem. The current effort > has obviously stalled. We need to f

[PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-11 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Ah, Jani went a little crazy today in his typical style to force a decision. The real decision is not whether to have a version 5.4 or not, it is all about solving the Unicode problem. The current effort has obviously stalled. We need to figure out how to get development back on track in a way t

[PHP-DEV] PHP 6 Bug Summary Report

2010-03-01 Thread internals
PHP 6 Bug Database summary - http://bugs.php.net/ Num Status Summary (110 total -- which includes 47 feature requests) ===[Apache related]=== 47061 Open User not logged under Apache ===[

[PHP-DEV] PHP 6 Bug Summary Report

2010-02-22 Thread internals
PHP 6 Bug Database summary - http://bugs.php.net/ Num Status Summary (109 total -- which includes 47 feature requests) ===[Apache related]=== 47061 Open User not logged under Apache ===[

[PHP-DEV] PHP 6 Bug Summary Report

2010-02-15 Thread internals
PHP 6 Bug Database summary - http://bugs.php.net/ Num Status Summary (108 total -- which includes 47 feature requests) ===[Apache related]=== 47061 Open User not logged under Apache ===[

[PHP-DEV] PHP 6 Bug Summary Report

2010-02-08 Thread internals
PHP 6 Bug Database summary - http://bugs.php.net/ Num Status Summary (108 total -- which includes 47 feature requests) ===[Apache related]=== 47061 Open User not logged under Apache ===[

[PHP-DEV] PHP 6 Bug Summary Report

2010-02-01 Thread internals
PHP 6 Bug Database summary - http://bugs.php.net/ Num Status Summary (109 total -- which includes 47 feature requests) ===[Apache related]=== 47061 Open User not logged under Apache ===[

[PHP-DEV] PHP 6 Bug Summary Report

2010-01-25 Thread internals
PHP 6 Bug Database summary - http://bugs.php.net/ Num Status Summary (108 total -- which includes 47 feature requests) ===[Apache related]=== 47061 Open User not logged under Apache ===[

[PHP-DEV] PHP 6 Bug Summary Report

2010-01-18 Thread internals
PHP 6 Bug Database summary - http://bugs.php.net/ Num Status Summary (107 total -- which includes 47 feature requests) ===[*General Issues]== 50189 Open [PATCH] - unicode byte order difference between SPARC and x86 ===

[PHP-DEV] PHP 6 Bug Summary Report

2010-01-11 Thread internals
PHP 6 Bug Database summary - http://bugs.php.net/ Num Status Summary (108 total -- which includes 47 feature requests) ===[*General Issues]== 50189 Open [PATCH] - unicode byte order difference between SPARC and x86 ===

[PHP-DEV] PHP 6 Bug Summary Report

2010-01-04 Thread internals
PHP 6 Bug Database summary - http://bugs.php.net/ Num Status Summary (107 total -- which includes 46 feature requests) ===[*General Issues]== 50189 Open [PATCH] - unicode byte order difference between SPARC and x86 ===

[PHP-DEV] PHP 6 Bug Summary Report

2009-12-28 Thread internals
PHP 6 Bug Database summary - http://bugs.php.net/ Num Status Summary (106 total -- which includes 46 feature requests) ===[*General Issues]== 50189 Open [PATCH] - unicode byte order difference between SPARC and x86 ===

[PHP-DEV] PHP 6 Bug Summary Report

2009-12-21 Thread internals
PHP 6 Bug Database summary - http://bugs.php.net/ Num Status Summary (107 total -- which includes 46 feature requests) ===[*General Issues]== 50189 Open [PATCH] - unicode byte order difference between SPARC and x86 ===

[PHP-DEV] PHP 6 Bug Summary Report

2009-12-14 Thread internals
PHP 6 Bug Database summary - http://bugs.php.net/ Num Status Summary (108 total -- which includes 46 feature requests) ===[*General Issues]== 50189 Open [PATCH] - unicode byte order difference between SPARC and x86 ===

[PHP-DEV] PHP 6 Bug Summary Report

2009-12-07 Thread internals
PHP 6 Bug Database summary - http://bugs.php.net/ Num Status Summary (107 total -- which includes 46 feature requests) ===[*General Issues]== 50189 Open [PATCH] - unicode byte order difference between SPARC and x86 ===

[PHP-DEV] PHP 6 Bug Summary Report

2009-11-30 Thread internals
PHP 6 Bug Database summary - http://bugs.php.net/ Num Status Summary (106 total -- which includes 45 feature requests) ===[*General Issues]== 50189 Open [PATCH] - unicode byte order difference between SPARC and x86 ===

[PHP-DEV] PHP 6 Bug Summary Report

2009-11-23 Thread internals
PHP 6 Bug Database summary - http://bugs.php.net/ Num Status Summary (108 total -- which includes 45 feature requests) ===[*General Issues]== 50189 Open [PATCH] - unicode byte order difference between SPARC and x86 ===

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