Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3.9 and is_a changes

2011-11-07 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Clint Byrum's message of Sun Oct 23 18:36:04 -0400 2011: > So, I've registered a blueprint for UDS here: > > https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-php54 > > There's no guarantee we will be able to fit it in, so make sure to > subscribe to it if you are interest

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [php-maint] [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3.9 and is_a changes

2011-10-25 Thread Lester Caine
Thomas Goirand wrote: There was quite some changes with some resulting issue when switching Squeeze from 5.2 to 5.3, for example having a deprecation notice warning about return of a reference, or the removal of some function. This*did* break things, especially when dealing with XML or other pars

[PHP-DEV] Re: [php-maint] [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3.9 and is_a changes

2011-10-24 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 10/25/2011 06:18 AM, de...@lucato.it wrote: > Hi, > > I have always disliked the lack of modern packages on Debian/Ubuntu > distros, I feel like minor are misused as major versions, with an > exaggerated fear to upgrade. There was quite some changes with some resulting issue when switching Squ

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [php-maint] [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3.9 and is_a changes

2011-10-24 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from devis's message of Mon Oct 24 15:18:14 -0700 2011: > Hi, > > I have always disliked the lack of modern packages on Debian/Ubuntu distros, > I feel like minor are misused as major versions, with an exaggerated fear to > upgrade. It's like building web sites for IE6 because people are

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [php-maint] [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3.9 and is_a changes

2011-10-24 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 25.10.2011 00:18, schrieb de...@lucato.it: > As a user, I would really encourage to include the latest stable 5.x and > provide to the community all the available 5.x upgrade during the next 5 > years (5.4, 5.5 etc). Those 105 php apps should be maintained or removed, > not used as an excuse to

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3.9 and is_a changes

2011-10-24 Thread Pierre Joye
hi Clint, On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 12:36 AM, Clint Byrum wrote: > I appreciate the sentiments of all who have weighed in on this, and I > do want to make sure that we are paying attention to the greater PHP > community's needs, not just Ubuntu's users. Shipping really old PHP > versions is defini

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [php-maint] [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3.9 and is_a changes

2011-10-24 Thread devis
Hi, I have always disliked the lack of modern packages on Debian/Ubuntu distros, I feel like minor are misused as major versions, with an exaggerated fear to upgrade. It's like building web sites for IE6 because people are not allowed to upgrade to IE9, very frustrating for developers and hard to

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [php-maint] [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3.9 and is_a changes

2011-10-24 Thread Brad Proctor
Just my two cents, Most likely someone that has a system that they expect to last for five years is going to set it up and forget about it. So they probably don't care that it's up to date. They just want it to work. If not they'll likely either compile their own php or be updating their syste

[PHP-DEV] Re: [php-maint] [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3.9 and is_a changes

2011-10-24 Thread sean finney
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 03:36:04PM -0700, Clint Byrum wrote: > I appreciate the sentiments of all who have weighed in on this, and I > do want to make sure that we are paying attention to the greater PHP > community's needs, not just Ubuntu's users. Shipping really old PHP > versions is definitely

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3.9 and is_a changes

2011-10-23 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Hannes Magnusson's message of Sat Oct 22 04:03:50 -0700 2011: > On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 22:52, Clint Byrum wrote: > > Hi everyone. I'm trying to plan things for Ubuntu's upcoming 12.04 LTS > > release. LTS stands for Long Term Support, and it will be supported by > > Canonical for 5

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3.9 and is_a changes

2011-10-22 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 22.10.2011 17:36, schrieb Lester Caine: > Johannes Schlüter wrote: There is also a lot to be said for going with what is known to be stable for > > an LTS release. >>> > >>> > Please do not begin with this discussion again. It is confusing for >>> > the readers and totally

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3.9 and is_a changes

2011-10-22 Thread Lester Caine
Johannes Schlüter wrote: There is also a lot to be said for going with what is known to be stable for > > an LTS release. > > Please do not begin with this discussion again. It is confusing for > the readers and totally unrelated. There is no LTS in the release > process RFC but every relea

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3.9 and is_a changes

2011-10-22 Thread Gwynne Raskind
2011/10/22 Johannes Schlüter : >> > There is also a lot to be said for going with what is known to be stable >> > for >> > an LTS release. >> Please do not begin with this discussion again. It is confusing for >> the readers and totally unrelated. There is no LTS in the release >> process RFC but

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3.9 and is_a changes

2011-10-22 Thread Johannes Schlüter
On Sat, 2011-10-22 at 16:39 +0200, Pierre Joye wrote: > hi, > > On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Lester Caine wrote: > > > > There is also a lot to be said for going with what is known to be stable for > > an LTS release. > > Please do not begin with this discussion again. It is confusing for >

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3.9 and is_a changes

2011-10-22 Thread Pierre Joye
hi, On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Lester Caine wrote: > > There is also a lot to be said for going with what is known to be stable for > an LTS release. Please do not begin with this discussion again. It is confusing for the readers and totally unrelated. There is no LTS in the release proces

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3.9 and is_a changes

2011-10-22 Thread Lester Caine
Pierre Joye wrote: On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Hannes Magnusson wrote: On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 22:52, Clint Byrum wrote: Hi everyone. I'm trying to plan things for Ubuntu's upcoming 12.04 LTS release. LTS stands for Long Term Support, and it will be supported by Canonical for 5 years. B

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3.9 and is_a changes

2011-10-22 Thread Pierre Joye
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Hannes Magnusson wrote: > On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 22:52, Clint Byrum wrote: >> Hi everyone. I'm trying to plan things for Ubuntu's upcoming 12.04 LTS >> release. LTS stands for Long Term Support, and it will be supported by >> Canonical for 5 years. Because of thi

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3.9 and is_a changes

2011-10-22 Thread Hannes Magnusson
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 22:52, Clint Byrum wrote: > Hi everyone. I'm trying to plan things for Ubuntu's upcoming 12.04 LTS > release. LTS stands for Long Term Support, and it will be supported by > Canonical for 5 years. Because of this, I really want to ship a version Wouldn't you rather want to

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3.9 and is_a changes

2011-10-21 Thread Johannes Schlüter
On Fri, 2011-10-21 at 13:52 -0700, Clint Byrum wrote: > > The release date is April 26 2012, can anyone tell me if 5.3.9 is > expected > by then? Yes. 5.3.9 release cycle will start soon. Probably next week. So by April it is certainly there. I assume even 5.3.10 will be released by then. > Ide

[PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3.9 and is_a changes

2011-10-21 Thread Clint Byrum
Hi everyone. I'm trying to plan things for Ubuntu's upcoming 12.04 LTS release. LTS stands for Long Term Support, and it will be supported by Canonical for 5 years. Because of this, I really want to ship a version of PHP that has an is_a() behavior that will be consistent with any future 5.3.x rele