Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Bogusing bot (Was: [PHP-DEV] Reference handlingchange and PHP 4.4.0)

2005-09-15 Thread Leigh Makewell
If you don't know why it's wrong to tell them they are stupid, and can't be bother spending an extra 10 seconds formulating a respectable response instead, then you are the wrong person for the job. Jani Taskinen wrote: On Thu, 15 Sep 2005, Leigh Makewell wrote: Well then I

[PHP-DEV] Re: Bogusing bot (Was: [PHP-DEV] Reference handling change and PHP 4.4.0)

2005-09-15 Thread Leigh Makewell
If you are getting that much hate mail then you are doing it wrong. Leigh. Jani Taskinen wrote: On Thu, 15 Sep 2005, Leigh Makewell wrote: joke. People critisise and joke about PHP's automatic "Bogus" bot that just trolls through the database and marks any submitted bugs as

Re: [PHP-DEV] Reference handling change and PHP 4.4.0

2005-09-15 Thread Leigh Makewell
Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: That's fine, and you shouldn't care, I agree. I argued much the same point just yesterday in a chat with Ilia. You do however seem to be glossing over the fact that this new check can be very helpful. Take this case: sort(array(3,2,1)); Or any other example where the

Re: [PHP-DEV] Reference handling change and PHP 4.4.0

2005-09-15 Thread Leigh Makewell
Zeev Suraski wrote: Let me let you in on a secret as well. This tone isn't going to get you anywhere. No it won't. But the diplomatic one didn't get us anything except insults and put downs. This approach has at least got some serious attention. :) For the record, I was against fixing th

Re: [PHP-DEV] Reference handling change and PHP 4.4.0

2005-09-15 Thread Leigh Makewell
Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: Well, that is the point, it didn't actually work. Code similar to this caused memory corruption. So while you may not have seen an instant crash, over time and in certain conditions you would get unexplained crashes. In order to fix this bug we needed to check for this so

Re: [PHP-DEV] Reference handling change and PHP 4.4.0

2005-09-14 Thread Leigh Makewell
Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: This is where it gets tricky. Is this legal code? Yes it is legal because it worked. Whether it is strictly "correct" or not is another argument. People write bad code all the time, but it doesn't make it any less legal. In minor version changes BC is not a secondary p

Re: [PHP-DEV] Reference handling change and PHP 4.4.0

2005-09-14 Thread Leigh Makewell
Derick Rethans wrote: On Wed, 14 Sep 2005, Leigh Makewell wrote: Derick Rethans wrote: I doubt any application would really stopped working - except for a friendly notice when people wrote bad code. Except if you had read Colin's messages you would see that his code *had* stopped wo

Re: [PHP-DEV] Reference handling change and PHP 4.4.0

2005-09-14 Thread Leigh Makewell
Derick Rethans wrote: I doubt any application would really stopped working - except for a friendly notice when people wrote bad code. Derick Except if you had read Colin's messages you would see that his code *had* stopped working. Leigh :) -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mail

Re: [PHP-DEV] Reference handling change and PHP 4.4.0

2005-09-13 Thread Leigh Makewell
Pierre Joye wrote: No, 4.3.x is a dead branche. But the problem is much more easier to fix in 4.4.0. Do what you always do in production servers, do not display errors/notices, especially as 4.4.0 raises only notices for the reference problem. Regards, --Pierre Well that is exactly why this i