Re: [PHP-DEV] Time-out Posting to PHP Internals List

On Fri, Aug 16, 2024 at 3:37 PM Rob Landers wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2024, at 22:16, Kris Craig wrote: > > > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2024 at 8:11 AM Derick Rethans wrote: > > Hi, > > In the last months, you have had numerous suggestions to keep it civil

Re: [PHP-DEV] Time-out Posting to PHP Internals List

On Fri, Aug 16, 2024 at 8:11 AM Derick Rethans wrote: > Hi, > > In the last months, you have had numerous suggestions to keep it civil > on the mailing list, in the "C++ Enhancements" thread [1,2,3,4,5,6], and > multiple other threads [7,8,9], and by many individuals. Despite that, > you did cont

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Increase maximum size of an uploaded file to 50Mbyte

On Wed, Sep 7, 2022 at 11:38 AM juan carlos morales < dev.juan.mora...@gmail.com> wrote: > I looked for a potential problem out of doing such a change but I could not > find anything. > Then I'd say it's a no-brainer. The current 2 MB limit is simply outdated and needs to be increased to somethi

Re: [PHP-DEV] Regarding Russia invasion on Ukraine

On Sun, Mar 13, 2022, 1:46 PM Chase Peeler wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 13, 2022 at 4:43 PM Kris Craig wrote: > >> On Sun, Mar 13, 2022, 1:36 PM Larry Garfield >> wrote: >> >> > On Sun, Mar 13, 2022, at 3:14 PM, Wojciech Lisik wrote: >> > > Hello all,

Re: [PHP-DEV] Regarding Russia invasion on Ukraine

On Sun, Mar 13, 2022, 1:36 PM Larry Garfield wrote: > On Sun, Mar 13, 2022, at 3:14 PM, Wojciech Lisik wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > am writing here because this topic > > has been locked. > > > > I condemn with whole my heart what Russia is currently doing -

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

On Sun, Mar 6, 2022, 3:14 PM Chase Peeler wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 6, 2022 at 5:32 PM Kris Craig wrote: > >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 6, 2022, 12:53 PM Chase Peeler wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 6, 2022 at 3:40 PM Kris Craig wrote

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

On Sun, Mar 6, 2022, 3:09 PM 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote: > On 06/03/2022 22:32, Kris Craig wrote: > > From a philosophical perspective, it could be argued that the war was > > already underway. And since Hitler started that war to conquer, I would > > argue that WWII, like

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

On Sun, Mar 6, 2022, 12:53 PM Chase Peeler wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 6, 2022 at 3:40 PM Kris Craig wrote: > >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 6, 2022, 12:36 PM Chase Peeler wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 6, 2022 at 3:23 PM Kris Crai

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

On Sun, Mar 6, 2022, 12:36 PM Chase Peeler wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 6, 2022 at 3:23 PM Kris Craig wrote: > >> On Sun, Mar 6, 2022, 10:17 AM Victor Bolshov >> wrote: >> >> > On Sat, Mar 5, 2022 at 14:26, Kris Craig wrote: >> > >> >

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

On Sun, Mar 6, 2022, 10:17 AM Victor Bolshov wrote: > On Sat, Mar 5, 2022 at 14:26, Kris Craig wrote: > > Specifically, I would direct this question to Pierre and Viktor: Do you > believe that "Arrest Dictator Putin" is appropriate for the PHP homepage? > > > As

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

On Sat, Mar 5, 2022 at 7:05 AM 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote: > On 05/03/2022 11:45, Sergey Panteleev wrote: > > > > Several members have asked not to have a debate on this mailing list, > > let's respect their opinions too. > > > > > > > > It's not debating. The original post was simply asking to show true

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

* > Maxime > > > Le sam. 5 mars 2022 à 10:58, Marco Pivetta a écrit : > >> On Sat, 5 Mar 2022, 04:31 Kris Craig, wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 4:51 AM Marco Pivetta >> wrote: >> > >> >> Hey Ch

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 10:16 PM Pierre Joye wrote: > > > On Sat, Mar 5, 2022, 10:31 AM Kris Craig wrote: > >> On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 4:51 AM Marco Pivetta wrote: >> >> >> But that doesn't mean we should be using the PHP website to start taking >>

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 4:51 AM Marco Pivetta wrote: > Hey Christian, > > On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 1:41 PM wrote: > > > this is exactly the problem. Russia did not just invaded Ukrainia out of > > nowhere. The story started in 2014 with the illegal coup d'etat against > > Viktor Yanukovych and its

Re: [PHP-DEV] What should we do with utf8_encode and utf8_decode?

On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 3:21 PM Wade Rossmann wrote: > On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 9:52 AM Larry Garfield > wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 21, 2021, at 9:18 AM, Rowan Tommins wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > The functions utf8_encode and utf8_decode are historical oddities, > which > > > almost certainly

Re: [PHP-DEV] Replies on lists.php.net

On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 7:30 AM Chase Peeler wrote: > On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 10:27 AM Ben Ramsey wrote: > > > > On Feb 23, 2021, at 09:21, Larry Garfield > > wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2021, at 4:26 AM, Christian Schneider wrote: > > >> Am 15.02.2021 um 13:20 schrieb Pierre : > > >>> I

Re: [PHP-DEV] Abusive emails was: silly question : what is more secure at the moment, php7, php8, or plain .sh shell scripts?

> > > and as explained in the past: if *you guy* ever again contact my > > employer asking for the law department beause you think some bugreport > > written late at night with a obfuscated email was from me i will *find > > and fuck* you Wait did somebody actually contact this troll's employer?!

Re: [PHP-DEV] Adding explicit intent for SWITCH/CASE fall through?

On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 12:06 AM A.L.E.C wrote: > On 10/18/19 8:57 PM, Mike Schinkel wrote: > > Imo, this would make more sense if fallthrough did something more, e.g. > allowing > > case X: > if (something) { > fallthrough; > } > something-else; >

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecate Backtick Operator (V2)

On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 12:36 PM Zeev Suraski wrote: > On Fri, 4 Oct 2019 at 17:45 Mark Randall wrote: > > > Hi Internals, > > > > I put forward the following RFC "Deprecate Backtick Operator (V2)" for > > discussion. > > > > > Mark, all, > > I’m not sure what planetary alignment or moon phase tr

Re: [PHP-DEV] Vote: Straw poll for P++ feasibility

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 3:20 AM Olumide Samson wrote: > On Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 10:52 AM Peter Kokot wrote: > > > On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 22:41, Zeev Suraski wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 6:14 PM Derick Rethans wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > In the last week(s) there has been

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 6:25 AM Robert Korulczyk wrote: > > Disabling short tags now is done with "an explicit directive" (there has > to be a specific ini file with a specific setting 'short_open_tag = 0'). > > Isn't this the same "situation when you create a separate file with an > explicit dire

Re: [PHP-DEV] Bringing Peace to the Galaxy

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 12:22 AM Nikita Popov wrote: > On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 11:25 PM Zeev Suraski wrote: > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 12:02 AM Nikita Popov > wrote: > > > >> This is basically what I have been advocating for a while now already, > >> somewhat hidden between all the othe

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: RFC Workflow & Voting (2019 update)

On Mon, Feb 4, 2019, 7:18 PM Andrey Andreev Hi, > > I was avoiding this, but since the discussion has already turned into > all about who gets to vote, I might as well ... > > On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 1:46 AM Zeev Suraski wrote: > > the barrier to obtaining a vote is ridiculously low. > > You keep

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: RFC Workflow & Voting (2019 update)

On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 10:20 PM Zeev Suraski wrote: > On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 7:14 PM Dan Ackroyd wrote: > > > On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 at 13:44, Zeev Suraski wrote: > > > > > > Without further ado, an RFC that’s attempting to comprehensively solve > > many of the issues that have plagued our RFC pro

Re: [PHP-DEV] Alternative voting reform: Streamlining the RFC process

Now THIS is a sensible proposal! It resolves the biggest issues in a very simple and straightforward manner. And unlike the other RFC, this proposal does not feel like an exclusionary power grab. --Kris On Sat, Feb 2, 2019, 8:24 AM Nikita Popov Hi internals, > > After discussing the topic with

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: RFC Workflow & Voting (2019 update)

On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 11:57 PM Stanislav Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > > I haven't fully read the RFC yet, so I'll come back with more formed > opinion about it probably, but wanted to comment about a couple of > points here: > > > Reasoning: If somebody is out of the project for 10 years they probab

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: RFC Workflow & Voting (2019 update)

On Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 7:58 AM Kalle Sommer Nielsen Hi Zeev > > Den tor. 31. jan. 2019 kl. 15.44 skrev Zeev Suraski : > > > > Without further ado, an RFC that’s attempting to comprehensively solve > many of the issues that have plagued our RFC process since it was hastily > introduced in 2011: > >

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: RFC Workflow & Voting (2019 update)

I think you may be over-reaching a bit on the eligible voters part. Keep in mind that all those who would be affected would still be able to vote on this RFC. I think it's too restrictive on that part. Also, why does FIG get special treatment? --Kris On Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 5:44 AM Zeev Suraski

Re: [PHP-DEV] Official Twitter Account

On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 10:08 AM Sara Golemon wrote: > On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 11:09 AM Trevor Suarez wrote: > > > In any case, I feel like its usually the last place where I see > > announcements made. > > I'll take exception to that. I've been pushing both branches of the last > several release

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Consistent indentation for test files

On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 5:42 AM, Christoph M. Becker wrote: > On 28.10.2017 at 13:59, Nikita Popov wrote: > > > Right now we do not have a consistent standard for the indentation of > PHPT > > files. Some people create space-indented files, others create > tab-indented > > files. Over time, inden

Re: [PHP-DEV] GD vs Imagick

2. Releasing Imagick with PHP means that the release cycles would need to be sync'ed. This has proven to be inconvenient in the past when an extension has wanted to change the api, but was forced to wait due to needed to wait for the next minor/major version of PHP. Why would they need to be syn

Re: [PHP-DEV] Directory separators on Windows

On Mar 30, 2017 8:21 AM, "Sara Golemon" wrote: > > My first thought is UNC paths. On windows a file server share is > denoted by \\host\share . if you combine that with relative paths > produced from PHP, you end up in the dubious situation of > "\\host\share/path/to/file" <--- wat? > > Overall,

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Interval Comparison

On Nov 12, 2016 8:21 AM, "David Walker" wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 3:08 AM Lauri Kenttä wrote: > > > On 2016-11-11 19:03, David Walker wrote: > > > > > > I took a quick stab at implementing, and had something working for > > > constant expressions, but handling something akin to: > > > >

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC proposal for alternative list syntax

On Dec 27, 2015 7:56 PM, "Pierre Joye" wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 6:20 AM, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: > > Hi! > > > >> // With the new array syntax this has been improved to > >> > >> list ($a, $b) = [1, 2]; > >> > >> // I think this new syntax should logically extend to > >> > >> [$a, $b]

Re: [PHP-DEV] Concept for Json_decode

On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 7:07 PM, Larry Garfield wrote: > On 07/10/2015 07:37 PM, Kris Craig wrote: > >> On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Larry Garfield >> wrote: >> >> On 7/10/15 3:27 PM, Dean Eigenmann wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>>>

Re: [PHP-DEV] Concept for Json_decode

On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Larry Garfield wrote: > On 7/10/15 3:27 PM, Dean Eigenmann wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I have a proposal for PHP. The proposed interface would allow developers >> to decode json into a custom object directly. If given the approval I would >> possibly be able to imple

Re: [PHP-DEV] Fixing bundled extension version mess

On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Pierre Joye wrote: > hi, > > We tried that many times but we fail to handle the version of bundled > extensions. > > Along with some installer work and other integration (projects > dependencies management, composer or other), we need to find a way to > get rid of

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Fix the Tenary Operator -- Please!? Please?

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:40 PM, Alain Williams wrote: > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:31:00PM +, Rowan Collins wrote: > > > What I've always been annoyed by is the *precedence* of the operator - > having to add brackets to mix it with string concatenation, etc - which it > turns out to is the s

Re: [PHP-DEV] Only Vote on Votes Initiated After Registration

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 7:30 PM, Pierre Joye wrote: > hi, > > On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 5:01 AM, Philip Sturgeon > wrote: > > While you can easily question the value or motives of Anthony's post > > about voting irregularities, some simple improvements can be made > > which are uncontroversial. I

Re: [PHP-DEV] Only Vote on Votes Initiated After Registration

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: > On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Philip Sturgeon > wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Stanislav Malyshev > > > wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > > >> when we are fixing the low hanging fruits, please directly put in the > > >> wiki that

Re: [PHP-DEV] Vote process change proposal

On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > > > I think having clearer rules about what lobbying is permitted, and > > introducing some rules on who can vote on what would be a better way > > of limiting the effect of lobbying. > > And pretty soon we'll have 100-page law co

Re: [PHP-DEV] Proposing [constructive] solutions (was: I quit)

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 7:48 PM, Larry Garfield wrote: > On 02/16/2015 10:31 AM, François Laupretre wrote: > >> >> - The leadership of the language is left to consensus, so that when >>> consensus cannot be reached, someone has to take on the role of mediator >>> / chairman / leader for the feat

Re: [PHP-DEV] A modest proposal: __contructStatic

> create the static instance Isn't that essentially a contradiction in terms? I can't help but feel that blurring the line between static and non-static classes/methods would cause more harm than good. I've never really done any work with Redis before so I'm also having trouble understanding the

Re: [PHP-DEV] I quit.

On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Netroby wrote: > I am not the core developer of PHP, but I am keeping watch the develop > list for long times. > Andrea Faulds, actively contributes the PHP core. but it's hard to > implement your dream here. > So sad I feel. > Say no is easier, but do things is h

Re: [PHP-DEV] Remove $this from incompatible context

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Rowan Collins wrote: > François Laupretre wrote on 12/02/2015 14:56: > >> Sorry to get off-topic but could we raise the 'undefined variable' error >> to E_WARNING, at least ? E_NOTICE seems very low for such an error. >> > > I think the division between E_NOTICE a

Re: [PHP-DEV] [DISCUSSION] Make empty() a Variadic

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Thomas Punt wrote: > Hello PHP Internals! > I'd like to propose to make empty() a variadic, where if any arguments > passed in are considered empty, then false is returned - otherwise return > true. > My reasoning for wanting this feature is as follows:1)It's a c

Re: [PHP-DEV] Fix incorrect ternary '?' associativity for 7.0?

On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 8:19 PM, Leon Sorokin wrote: > > On 12/15/2014 11:59 AM, Robert Williams wrote: > >> What world is this that you live in where every line of code that’s >> written is fully unit-tested >> > > You took my example too literally; forget the unit tests. Imagine the > situation

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] PHP 5.7

On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Andrea Faulds wrote: > Hi Adam, > > > On 16 Dec 2014, at 00:15, Adam Harvey wrote: > > > > On 15 December 2014 at 16:09, Andrea Faulds wrote: > >> The RFC can be found here: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/php57 > > > > Thanks for the taking the initiative on this. > >

Re: [PHP-DEV] Fix incorrect ternary '?' associativity for 7.0?

On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 12:11 PM, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > > > The fact that it *may* break *some* code that is used somewhere despite > > documentation recommending against it (pretty much deprecating it > > already for years) is a terrible reason not to re-evaluate the situation > > gi

Re: [PHP-DEV] Fix incorrect ternary '?' associativity for 7.0?

On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Leon Sorokin wrote: > > Respectfully, > > PHP's 'Unexpected behavior is not a bug' stance is pretty infuriating; the > utterly ridiculous T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM argument comes to mind. > > > It is not a bug, as the issue's status says: "Not a bug". > > I can unders

Re: [PHP-DEV] Add a new flag for json_encode

On Nov 3, 2014 7:13 PM, "Juan Basso" wrote: > > Hi, > > I opened a pull request[1] in order to solve the bug 50224[2] and it ended > creating this pull request to add a new flag called > JSON_PRESERVE_FRACTIONAL_PART on json_encode function. This flag will make > the json encode to output float nu

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] [RFC] PHP 7.0 timeline

On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 2:05 AM, Lester Caine wrote: > On 22/11/14 09:14, Pierre Joye wrote: > > That's why I strongly suggest to make a more realistic time plan and > > stick to it. Specific dates can or should be define later but the > > period (mid october f.e.) should be defined now. One week

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] [RFC] PHP 7.0 timeline

On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 7:10 AM, Zeev Suraski wrote: > Kris, > > This existed in the RFC since the get go and I don't believe anybody > raised any concerns about it. There was plenty of time for discussion. > Either way approval of this RFC won't have any effect on the approval or > rejection of

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] [RFC] PHP 7.0 timeline

rued as endorsements of the BC philosophy you expressed, as well. That bothers me, probably enough to make me vote against this, so I really hope you remove it. I'd certainly have no objection to seeing that expanded into its own RFC, though. =) --Kris On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 2:12 AM, Kr

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] [RFC] PHP 7.0 timeline

On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 12:18 AM, Joe Watkins wrote: > On Fri, 2014-11-21 at 10:07 +0200, Zeev Suraski wrote: > > After some Twitter hints that I should get my act together and finally > move > > this to a vote, it’s finally happening: > > > > > > > > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/php7timeline#vote >

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Remove PHP 4 Constructors

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Julien Breux wrote: > I think that it is great time to end to PHP 4 constructors system for PHP > 7. > > IMO, It's a good RFC. > Agreed. I was going to suggest we throw E_DEPRECATED for 5.x, but you already have that covered in the RFC. I don't see anything wro

Re: [PHP-DEV] Thresholds of backwards compatibility breaks

On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 10:49 PM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: > 2014.11.06. 2:46 ezt írta ("Andrea Faulds" ): > > > > > > > On 5 Nov 2014, at 20:34, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: > > > > > > Regardless of those, I think it would be worse from the users POV than > our > > > current policy where we target no BC br

Re: [PHP-DEV] Thoughts on the PHP.net website

> > I'm not go further into the details of the problems we actually > have inside that code, as they are very obvious and the source code speaks > for itself I'm all for having a discussion about updating the website. But on the flip side of that token, you can't just "drive by" here, suggest a

Re: [PHP-DEV] New globals for PUT and DELETE

mew...@gmail.com] > >> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 1:16 AM > >> To: Zeev Suraski > >> Cc: Kris Craig; Rasmus Lerdorf; Rowan Collins; PHP internals list > >> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] New globals for PUT and DELETE > >> > >> 2014-10-15 0:56 G

Re: [PHP-DEV] New globals for PUT and DELETE

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > On 10/14/2014 11:16 AM, Rowan Collins wrote: > > On 14/10/2014 17:18, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > >> I think 20+ years of history has proven this to be a non-issue. Of all > >> the things that people get confused by in PHP, $_GET/$_POST are rig

Re: [PHP-DEV] New globals for PUT and DELETE

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 6:50 AM, Chris Wright wrote: > On 14 October 2014 14:46, Kris Craig wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 6:41 AM, Mike Dugan wrote: > > > >> > >> On October 14, 2014 at 9:31:15 AM, Andrea Faulds (a...@ajf.me) wrote: > >> >

Re: [PHP-DEV] New globals for PUT and DELETE

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 6:47 AM, Andrea Faulds wrote: > > On 14 Oct 2014, at 14:42, Kris Craig wrote: > > > I don't think that would be a good idea, either. They require more > typing > > and it'd probably be a lot easier for devs to remember which one means

Re: [PHP-DEV] New globals for PUT and DELETE

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 6:41 AM, Mike Dugan wrote: > > On October 14, 2014 at 9:31:15 AM, Andrea Faulds (a...@ajf.me) wrote: > > > On 14 Oct 2014, at 14:27, Kristopher wrote: > > > $_HTTP_REQUEST_BODY and $_HTTP_QUERY_STRING for nostalgia's sake. > > Ew, non-superglobals. > > But $_REQUEST_BODY

Re: [PHP-DEV] New globals for PUT and DELETE

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 6:25 AM, Andrea Faulds wrote: > > On 14 Oct 2014, at 14:23, Andrey Andreev wrote: > > > That being said, from a purely semantic prospective, both $_GET and > > $_POST should be tossed - yes. In reality, you can't do that because > > virtually all PHP applications use them

Re: [PHP-DEV] New globals for PUT and DELETE

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 6:09 AM, Ben Ramsey wrote: > On Oct 14, 2014, at 7:47 AM, Kris Craig wrote: > > > Hey guys, > > > > Does anybody know why we have $_GET and $_POST, but not $_PUT and > > $_DELETE? As far as I can tell, the only way to get these out cur

Re: [PHP-DEV] New globals for PUT and DELETE

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 5:54 AM, Andrea Faulds wrote: > > On 14 Oct 2014, at 13:47, Kris Craig wrote: > > > Hey guys, > > > > Does anybody know why we have $_GET and $_POST, but not $_PUT and > > $_DELETE? As far as I can tell, the only way to get these out

[PHP-DEV] New globals for PUT and DELETE

Hey guys, Does anybody know why we have $_GET and $_POST, but not $_PUT and $_DELETE? As far as I can tell, the only way to get these out currently is to parse their values by reading the incoming stream directly. Is there a reason why we don't want this or is it just that nobody has actually wr

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Remove deprecated functionality in PHP 7

On Oct 12, 2014 12:54 AM, "Derick Rethans" wrote: > > On Sat, 11 Oct 2014, Kris Craig wrote: > > > On Oct 11, 2014 1:52 PM, "Nikita Popov" wrote: > > > > > > We currently have a number of deprecated features, which we likely > > >

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Remove deprecated functionality in PHP 7

On Oct 11, 2014 1:52 PM, "Nikita Popov" wrote: > > Hi internals! > > We currently have a number of deprecated features, which we likely want to > remove in PHP 7. I've created a tracking RFC listing deprecated > functionality (if I missed something, please tell): > > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/r

Re: [PHP-DEV] Deprecation of func_get_args(), call_user_func_array() and related API

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Andrea Faulds wrote: > > On 10 Oct 2014, at 21:27, Marco Pivetta wrote: > > > While rambling with some code today, I realized that `call_user_func` > > behaves strangely, appearing and disappearing from stack traces depending > > on versions of PHP. For an exampl

Re: [PHP-DEV] [PHP7] Remove the function keyword from class methods?

On Oct 4, 2014 11:24 AM, "Thomas Gossmann" wrote: > > Thanks Johannes, I slipped over it but would have never found the discussion to it. > > I run over it and the summary is: Many people like it and those that don't have brought arguments, that are present here again. The discussion is almost 4 y

Re: [PHP-DEV] [PHP7] Remove the function keyword from class methods?

On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Arvids Godjuks wrote: > Hello internals. > > I'm firmly against removing the "function" keyword. PHP is a dynamic > language, that means that even using the latest most functional IDE's out > there, finding the implementation is not always few clicks away (PhpStorm

Re: [PHP-DEV] Is it fair that people with no karma can vote on RFCs?

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Andrey Andreev wrote: > On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 10:31 PM, Sharon Levy > wrote: > > > > > > From: Andrey Andreev > > Sent: Sep 29, 2014 3:01 PM > > To: Sharon Levy > > Cc: Zeev Suraski , Derick Rethans , > Andrea > > Faulds , PHP internals > > Subject: Re: [PH

Re: [PHP-DEV] Is it fair that people with no karma can vote on RFCs?

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Andrey Andreev wrote: > On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 12:28 AM, Sharon Levy wrote: > > > > ... > > > > I think in all fairness, users should be required to learn C and pass a > test > > demonstrating basic knowledge of PHP's internals in order to acquire > voting > > p

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Change checkdnsrr() $type argument behavior

On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 12:38 AM, Michael Wallner wrote: > On 2014-09-23 09:30, Kris Craig wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 12:24 AM, Michael Wallner > <mailto:m...@php.net>> wrote: > > > > On 2014-09-23 06:00, Sanford Whiteman wrote:

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Change checkdnsrr() $type argument behavior

On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 12:24 AM, Michael Wallner wrote: > On 2014-09-23 06:00, Sanford Whiteman wrote: > >> What would happen is it'd throw an E_DEPRECATED for at least the > remainder > >> of 5.x, then throw the usual E_WARNING for a missing argument starting > in > >> 7.x with no default. > >

Re: [PHP-DEV] Is it fair that people with no karma can vote on RFCs?

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Johannes Schlüter wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, 2014-09-22 at 14:36 -0700, Kris Craig wrote: > > > > Slightly provocative: Why should I be forced to maintain code by > > people who > > > don't want to maintain it themse

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Change checkdnsrr() $type argument behavior

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 8:09 PM, Sanford Whiteman wrote: > Hi Kris, > > On a broad level, your RFC asserts that checkdnsrr() is used to > determine "whether or not a hostname exists," but you don't actually > define "exists." It seems to me you're glossing over the fact that > "existence" is app

Re: [PHP-DEV] Is it fair that people with no karma can vote on RFCs?

On Sep 22, 2014 8:39 AM, "Johannes Schlüter" wrote: > > > > On September 22, 2014 4:21:29 PM CEST, Rafael Kassner wrote: > >IMHO, denying non-karma people to vote is like to making PHP a > >company's > >product, or, in another words, "you use what we built and shut up", > >because > >only listeni

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Change checkdnsrr() $type argument behavior

On Sep 22, 2014 2:16 AM, "Pierre Joye" wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Kris Craig wrote: > > > > On Sep 22, 2014 1:09 AM, "Pierre Joye" wrote: > >> > >> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Kris Craig wrote: > >> > &

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Change checkdnsrr() $type argument behavior

On Sep 22, 2014 1:09 AM, "Pierre Joye" wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Kris Craig wrote: > > > > On Sep 21, 2014 11:52 PM, "Pierre Joye" wrote: > > Well, for what I can see users already take into account this part of > the is

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Change checkdnsrr() $type argument behavior

On Sep 21, 2014 11:52 PM, "Pierre Joye" wrote: > > hi Kris, > > On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 4:15 AM, Kris Craig wrote: > > Per discussion in an earlier thread. Here's the RFC: > > > > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/checkdnsrr-default-type > > > &g

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Change checkdnsrr() $type argument behavior

Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 11:05 PM, Kris Craig wrote: > > On Sep 19, 2014 10:50 PM, "Michael Wallner" wrote: > > > > > > On 20 Sep 2014 04:15, "Kris Craig" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > From what I can tell, there are valid ar

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Change checkdnsrr() $type argument behavior

On Sep 19, 2014 10:50 PM, "Michael Wallner" wrote: > > > On 20 Sep 2014 04:15, "Kris Craig" wrote: > > > > > > > From what I can tell, there are valid arguments to be made for both, so I > > would love to see some discussion/debate here re

Re: [PHP-DEV] Is it fair that people with no karma can vote on RFCs?

On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 7:25 PM, Kalle Sommer Nielsen wrote: > 2014-09-20 3:29 GMT+02:00 Andrea Faulds : > > Hi! > > > > Perhaps I’m being unfair and overthinking things, but I wonder if it is > really fair for people who have no karma, i.e. not contributors to the > documentation, extensions, ph

[PHP-DEV] [RFC] Change checkdnsrr() $type argument behavior

Per discussion in an earlier thread. Here's the RFC: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/checkdnsrr-default-type Basically, this RFC seeks to make it so that PHP's checkdnsrr() function, which is most commonly used to see whether or not a hostname exists, no longer restricts itself to only MX records by d

Re: [PHP-DEV] Why does checkdnsrr() default to MX??

On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Adam Harvey wrote: > On 19 September 2014 02:58, Chris Wright wrote: > > On 18 September 2014 20:29, Kris Craig wrote: > >> Hey guys, > >> > >> I just spent some time troubleshooting what appeared to be a DNS issue >

[PHP-DEV] Why does checkdnsrr() default to MX??

Hey guys, I just spent some time troubleshooting what appeared to be a DNS issue before I realized that, absent the optional $type argument, checkdnsrr() defaults to "MX". Can anybody explain why it's defaulting to "MX" and not "ANY"? It seems really counter-intuitive. --Kris

Re: [PHP-DEV] Remove alternative PHP tags

On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 6:32 PM, Andrea Faulds wrote: > > On 10 Sep 2014, at 01:21, Andrea Faulds wrote: > > > Isn’t this a bit of a needless BC break? Not very nice on people with > such codebases. It’s also worth pointing out that people might be using > these to get around the XML > > > I’d v

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Better type names for int64 RFC

On Aug 23, 2014 12:10 PM, "Pierre Joye" wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 6:40 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > > On 8/22/14, 11:25 PM, Pierre Joye wrote: > >> There is. Long is not used anymore. So we can argue about that but > >> there is a change and it should be reflected imo. > >> > >> You still

Re: [PHP-DEV] On BC and not being evil (Was: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Integer Semantics)

On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 8:30 AM, Derick Rethans wrote: > On Tue, 19 Aug 2014, Kris Craig wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Andrea Faulds wrote: > > > > > I have made an RFC which would make some small changes to how integers > > > are handled,

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Integer Semantics

On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Andrea Faulds wrote: > Good evening, > > I have made an RFC which would make some small changes to how integers are > handled, targeted at PHP 7: > > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/integer_semantics > > Thoughts and questions are appreciated. Thanks! > -- > Andrea Fauld

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Disallow multiple default blocks in a single switch statement

On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Drew Paroski wrote: > On 6 August 2014 12:32, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: > > > > I'm not sure what would be the best solution, but if we don't version the > > spec, then when we introduce BC breaks or simply new features in a new > > version which is in turn get's adde

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Mutliple defaults in switch statements

On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Sara Golemon wrote: > On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Andrea Faulds wrote: > > On 12 Aug 2014, at 17:53, Sara Golemon wrote: > >> Voting is open: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/switch.default.multiple#vote > > > > I’m all for this, but the *minimum* discussion perio

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Mutliple defaults in switch statements

On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Andrea Faulds wrote: > > On 12 Aug 2014, at 17:53, Sara Golemon wrote: > > > Voting is open: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/switch.default.multiple#vote > > I’m all for this, but the *minimum* discussion period is *two* weeks. > -- > Andrea Faulds > http://ajf.me/ > >

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE][RFC] intdiv()

On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 1:53 AM, Chris Wright wrote: > On 30 July 2014 18:51, Adam Harvey wrote: > > -1 explanation: I don't think %% is clear enough, the only sensible > > syntax choice (//) is unavailable to us, and I think the utility of > > having it baked into the language as an operator is

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE][RFC] intdiv()

On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Peter Lind wrote: > On 30 July 2014 19:57, Sara Golemon wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Andrea Faulds wrote: > > > On 30 Jul 2014, at 18:51, Adam Harvey wrote: > > >> -1 explanation: I don't think %% is clear enough > > > > > > % returns the 2nd

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Move phpng to master

On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote: > Hi all, > > On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Michael Wallner > wrote: > >> >> On 27 Jul 2014 09:26, "Kris Craig" wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Move phpng to master

On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 3:00 AM, Michael Wallner wrote: > > On 27 07 2014, at 11:44, Kris Craig wrote: > > [a lot] > > Maybe because you see those as competitors, You're the one who said PHP was losing ground to its "competitors", not I. but I see HHVM a

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Move phpng to master

On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 1:03 AM, Michael Wallner wrote: > > On 27 Jul 2014 09:26, "Kris Craig" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 12:16 AM, Michael Wallner < > mike.php@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>

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