Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC[ Property accessor hooks, take 2

2024-02-22 Thread Larry Garfield
On Wed, Feb 21, 2024, at 11:02 PM, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: > On Wed, Feb 21, 2024 at 12:57 PM Larry Garfield > wrote: >> After much on-again/off-again work, Ilija and I are back with a more >> polished property access hooks/interface properties RFC. It’s 99% unchanged >> from last summe

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecate implicitly nullable parameter type

2024-02-22 Thread Gina P. Banyard
Hello internals, I updated the RFC to encompass all the feedback: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/deprecate-implicitly-nullable-types Let me know if there are any final remarks before we start the vote sometime next week. Best regards, Gina P. Banyard

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC[ Property accessor hooks, take 2

2024-02-22 Thread Tim Düsterhus
Hi 1. I believe there is an error in the "Final Hooks" section: > // But this is NOT allowed, because beforeSet is final in the parent. I believe it should be s/beforeSet/set/. 2. In the same section this sentence is probably grammatically incorrect. > Declaring hooks final on a property that

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC[ Property accessor hooks, take 2

2024-02-22 Thread Tim Düsterhus
Hi On 2/22/24 00:02, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: Once again in reading the proposal, the first thing I'm struck by are the magic "$field" and "$value" variables inside accessors. The first time they are used, they're used without explanation, and they're jarring. […] Second: you don't have

Re: [PHP-DEV] ArrayAccess and array_key_exists function

2024-02-22 Thread Tim Düsterhus
Hi (Robert, Ondrej, please apologize the duplicate mail, the list rejected my first attempt, because the previously used alias tim@ is no longer accepted as a valid sender, I'll need to update my subscription) On 2/20/24 14:21, Robert Landers wrote: I'd love to see all array_* functions acce

Re: [PHP-DEV] What's up with emails?

2024-02-22 Thread Alain D D Williams
On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 07:45:41PM +0100, Tim Düsterhus wrote: > Hi > > On 2/22/24 16:29, Alain D D Williams wrote: > > • SPF for lists.php.net is "v=spf1 a mx a:osu1php.osuosl.org. > > ip4:45.112.84.5 ip6:2a02:cb43:8000::1102" > > Change to "v=spf1 a mx -all" > > > > •• If you make the MX chang

Re: External Message: Re: [PHP-DEV] What's up with emails?

2024-02-22 Thread Tim Düsterhus
Hi On 2/22/24 15:44, Michael Kliewe wrote: 1. Don't change the content or the DKIM-signed headers of the email (do not prepend something in the subject). Then the original DKIM signature stays valid and the From:-header can stay untouched Strong +1 for that one. I've suggested the same in the

Re: [PHP-DEV] What's up with emails?

2024-02-22 Thread Tim Düsterhus
Hi On 2/22/24 16:29, Alain D D Williams wrote: • SPF for lists.php.net is "v=spf1 a mx a:osu1php.osuosl.org. ip4:45.112.84.5 ip6:2a02:cb43:8000::1102" Change to "v=spf1 a mx -all" •• If you make the MX change that I suggest then the following are redundant: ip4:45.112.84.5 ip6:2a02:cb43:8000::

Re: [PHP-DEV] What's up with emails?

2024-02-22 Thread Andreas Heigl
On 22 February 2024 17:49:10 CET, Derick Rethans wrote: > On Thu, 22 Feb 2024, mjec wrote: > > > On Thu, 2024-02-22 at 10:29 -05:00, Alain D D Williams > > wrote: > >> On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 09:05:22AM -0500, Derick Rethans wrote: > >> > >>> Gmail is rejecting emails after we moved the server

Re: [PHP-DEV] What's up with emails?

2024-02-22 Thread Alain D D Williams
On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 04:46:04PM +, Derick Rethans wrote: > > Make the From: address internals@lists.php.net > > We don't want to change the From address, as that means that replies go to > the list, rather than the original sender. We never had to do any of that > before. I understand tha

Re: [PHP-DEV] What's up with emails?

2024-02-22 Thread Derick Rethans
On Thu, 22 Feb 2024, mjec wrote: On Thu, 2024-02-22 at 10:29 -05:00, Alain D D Williams wrote: On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 09:05:22AM -0500, Derick Rethans wrote: Gmail is rejecting emails after we moved the servers without telling us why, in enough detail to do anything about it. I run other

Re: [PHP-DEV] What's up with emails?

2024-02-22 Thread Derick Rethans
On Thu, 22 Feb 2024, Alain D D Williams wrote: On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 09:05:22AM -0500, Derick Rethans wrote: Gmail is rejecting emails after we moved the servers without telling us why, in enough detail to do anything about it. I run other mail lists and have had similar problems with gma

Re: [PHP-DEV] What's up with emails?

2024-02-22 Thread mjec
On Thu, 2024-02-22 at 10:29 -05:00, Alain D D Williams wrote: > On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 09:05:22AM -0500, Derick Rethans wrote: > >> Gmail is rejecting emails after we moved the servers without telling us why, >> in enough detail to do anything about it. > > I run other mail lists and have had s

Re: [PHP-DEV] What's up with emails?

2024-02-22 Thread Alain D D Williams
On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 09:05:22AM -0500, Derick Rethans wrote: > Gmail is rejecting emails after we moved the servers without telling us why, > in enough detail to do anything about it. I run other mail lists and have had similar problems with gmail recently. The problem seems to be SPF. This

Re: [PHP-DEV] What's up with emails?

2024-02-22 Thread tag Knife
On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 at 14:12, Derick Rethans wrote: > On 22 February 2024 08:52:49 GMT-05:00, Robert Landers < > landers.rob...@gmail.com> wrote: > >I have noticed quite a number of emails appearing on externals but not > >appearing in my inbox. I randomly get an email saying: > > > >Hi, this is

Re: External Message: Re: [PHP-DEV] What's up with emails?

2024-02-22 Thread Michael Kliewe
Am 22.02.2024 um 15:14 schrieb Jeffrey Dafoe: Gmail is rejecting emails after we moved the servers without telling us why, in enough detail to do anything about it. It's not just gmail. I guess it's because of a wrong setting in the mailinglist server. The content of the original email is cha

Re: [PHP-DEV] What's up with emails?

2024-02-22 Thread Daniil Gentili
> If I'm using gmail and not getting emails, how many other people are > also not getting emails on this list? > Same here, with both gmail and zoho mail. Personally I would switch to github issues and discussions, even ignoring all the deliverability issues which I had even before the switch to

RE: External Message: Re: [PHP-DEV] What's up with emails?

2024-02-22 Thread Jeffrey Dafoe
> Gmail is rejecting emails after we moved the servers without telling us why, > in > enough detail to do anything about it. It's not just gmail. -Jeff

RE: External Message: [PHP-DEV] What's up with emails?

2024-02-22 Thread Jeffrey Dafoe
I had an email to the list bounce due to SpamCop adding a sizeable portion of Outlook's IP space into a block (as they've been erroneously doing for 25 years now). Emailed syst...@php.net about it, never heard back. I'm also receiving next-to-no list traffic and receiving similar bounce message

Re: [PHP-DEV] What's up with emails?

2024-02-22 Thread Derick Rethans
On 22 February 2024 08:52:49 GMT-05:00, Robert Landers wrote: >I have noticed quite a number of emails appearing on externals but not >appearing in my inbox. I randomly get an email saying: > >Hi, this is the Mlmmj program managing the >mailing list. > >Some messages to you could not be delivere

Re: [PHP-DEV] What's up with emails?

2024-02-22 Thread Erick de Azevedo Lima
> If I'm using gmail and not getting emails, how many other people are > also not getting emails on this list? Same here.

[PHP-DEV] What's up with emails?

2024-02-22 Thread Robert Landers
I have noticed quite a number of emails appearing on externals but not appearing in my inbox. I randomly get an email saying: Hi, this is the Mlmmj program managing the mailing list. Some messages to you could not be delivered. If you're seeing this message it means things are back to normal, an

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC[ Property accessor hooks, take 2

2024-02-22 Thread Deleu
On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 8:25 AM tag Knife wrote: > A few things i was interested to get the idea around. > Was it thought about for the set{} for it to return the value to set the > property to > instead implicitly setting its own field? > > eg > > ``` > public string $name { > set { >

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC[ Property accessor hooks, take 2

2024-02-22 Thread tag Knife
On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 at 18:56, Larry Garfield wrote: > Hello again, fine Internalians. > > After much on-again/off-again work, Ilija and I are back with a more > polished property access hooks/interface properties RFC. It’s 99% > unchanged from last summer; the PR is now essentially complete and

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC[ Property accessor hooks, take 2

2024-02-22 Thread Robert Landers
On Wed, Feb 21, 2024 at 7:59 PM Larry Garfield wrote: > > Hello again, fine Internalians. > > After much on-again/off-again work, Ilija and I are back with a more polished > property access hooks/interface properties RFC. It’s 99% unchanged from last > summer; the PR is now essentially complete