Re: [PHP-DEV] [DRAFT][RFC] Big Integer Support

2014-07-06 Thread Andrea Faulds
On 3 Jul 2014, at 18:29, Andrea Faulds wrote: > Either way, I think there should be some sort of warning (probably an E_NOTICE > or E_WARNING?) when this cast happens implicitly and the number is truncated, > such as in function calls. I’m tempted to remove this from Open Questions and > instead

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Name of Next Release of PHP

2014-07-06 Thread Andrea Faulds
On 6 Jul 2014, at 23:32, Kris Craig wrote: > Andrea, I would *strongly* recommend that you accept Zeev's offer and make > him a co-author. You did present at least a partial argument for breaking > the convention, but I think they do have a valid grievance in that some of > their arguments a

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Name of Next Release of PHP

2014-07-06 Thread Andrea Faulds
On 6 Jul 2014, at 23:38, Kris Craig wrote: > Oh and a quick question: Could you clarify how many voting choices there are > going to be? The RFC only lists "PHP 6" and "PHP 7", yet it says that a > "plurality" will be required for a win, which means that there should be at > least 3 or more

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Name of Next Release of PHP

2014-07-06 Thread Kris Craig
Oh and a quick question: Could you clarify how many voting choices there are going to be? The RFC only lists "PHP 6" and "PHP 7", yet it says that a "plurality" will be required for a win, which means that there should be at least 3 or more choices. A plurality basically means that you got the m

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Name of Next Release of PHP

2014-07-06 Thread Kris Craig
> > As such I'd like to coauthor it with you and represent the case for 7. > Andrea, I would *strongly* recommend that you accept Zeev's offer and make him a co-author. You did present at least a partial argument for breaking the convention, but I think they do have a valid grievance in that some

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Name of Next Release of PHP

2014-07-06 Thread Sara Golemon
For my $0.02, as someone who put a fair amount of effort into PHP6 (function conversions, streams layer, etc...) I would really prefer to not call it PHP6. Whether not not it was ever released, it was a thing, and phpng (while awesome) is not that thing. PHP7 seems the obvious choice, but I'm

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Name of Next Release of PHP

2014-07-06 Thread Andrea Faulds
On 6 Jul 2014, at 18:37, Zeev Suraski wrote: > I appreciate your change! > > As such I'd like to coauthor it with you and represent the case for 7. You’re welcome to edit the RFC and add a subsection with a case for 7. I’d appreciate it if you could discuss edits to the existing Rationale wit

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Name of Next Release of PHP

2014-07-06 Thread Zeev Suraski
> On 6 ביול 2014, at 07:22, Andrea Faulds wrote: > > >> On 5 Jul 2014, at 22:23, Andrea Faulds wrote: >> >> This RFC attempts to settle the matter once and for all with a straight >> yes/no vote as to whether the name should be PHP 6. Should it pass, the >> matter is settled and we actually hav

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Name of Next Release of PHP

2014-07-06 Thread Zeev Suraski
When you have infinity at your disposal, skipping 6 and taking the next free number - 7 - makes a whole lot more sense than trying to rewrite the archives of history (renaming 6 to Old 6). Similarly, while there are fairly good reasons on why we shouldn't use 6, there aren't any for the next-in-l

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Name of Next Release of PHP

2014-07-06 Thread Andrea Faulds
On 6 Jul 2014, at 17:46, Lester Caine wrote: > On 06/07/14 16:08, Andrea Faulds wrote: >> I think it’s generally clear what’s for the new PHP 6 and what’s for the >> old; anything from after the old PHP 6 was abandoned must be about a new PHP >> 6, and anything from before it must be about the

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Name of Next Release of PHP

2014-07-06 Thread Lester Caine
On 06/07/14 16:08, Andrea Faulds wrote: > I think it’s generally clear what’s for the new PHP 6 and what’s for the old; > anything from after the old PHP 6 was abandoned must be about a new PHP 6, > and anything from before it must be about the old PHP 6. If this RFC were to > pass with people v

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Name of Next Release of PHP

2014-07-06 Thread Andrea Faulds
On 6 Jul 2014, at 16:12, Jocelyn Fournier wrote: > It's my first post in this list, and wanted to share my external point of > view, with a parallel with the MySQL world. Welcome to PHP! :) > MySQL 6 was alpha in 2007 and finally was never released. > So far its name has never been reused (in

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Name of Next Release of PHP

2014-07-06 Thread Jocelyn Fournier
Hi, Le 06/07/2014 03:13, Zeev Suraski a écrit : I want to point out that neither options (6 nor 7) break the our convention. PHP 6 was a live project that was worked on by many people, and known as such by many many more; Even though it never reached GA – there was definitely software named PH

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Name of Next Release of PHP

2014-07-06 Thread Andrea Faulds
On 6 Jul 2014, at 14:48, Lester Caine wrote: > Andrea - Your total disregard for anything other then a a single reason > related to books is a problem here. While printed /electronic books are > a part of the problem with the tag PHP6, there are considerable > additional references to that tag o

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Name of Next Release of PHP

2014-07-06 Thread Lester Caine
On 06/07/14 12:21, Andrea Faulds wrote: > The RFC has been updated. I’ve backed down and made the vote be 50%+1 with > the options PHP 6 and PHP 7. Hence only a plurality of votes is needed to win. > > Hopefully this should be decisive, unless the number of Yes and No votes > matches. Andrea -

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Name of Next Release of PHP

2014-07-06 Thread Andrea Faulds
On 5 Jul 2014, at 22:23, Andrea Faulds wrote: > This RFC attempts to settle the matter once and for all with a straight > yes/no vote as to whether the name should be PHP 6. Should it pass, the > matter is settled and we actually have a proper name for this fabled “PHP > NEXT”. Should it fail

RE: [PHP-DEV] not_null function

2014-07-06 Thread Robert Stoll
> -Original Message- > From: Kris Craig [mailto:kris.cr...@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 3:22 AM > To: Xen > Cc: Levi Morrison; internals > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] not_null function > > On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Xen wrote: > > > On Fri, 4 Jul 2014, Levi Morrison wrote

RE: [PHP-DEV] not_null function

2014-07-06 Thread Robert Stoll
> -Original Message- > From: Pierre Joye [mailto:pierre@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 10:06 AM > To: Tjerk Meesters; PHP internals > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] not_null function > > On Jul 5, 2014 9:43 AM, "Tjerk Meesters" > wrote: > > > > > Obviously spoke to soon ... what

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Name of Next Release of PHP

2014-07-06 Thread Lester Caine
On 06/07/14 02:13, Zeev Suraski wrote: > I still absolutely think we should bury this until later in the project’s > lifecycle as our energy **right now** is probably much better spent > elsewhere. The problem with that statement is just how do you identify what material one is looking at relates