[Int-area] Re: [v6ops] Re: NDP for RFC4291 Sec. 2.5.5.1. IPv4-Compatible IPv6 Addresses for v4-w-v6-nh Forwarding/RFC8950 at RS

2025-04-08 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Tue, Apr 08, 2025 at 12:17:45AM +0200, Tobias Fiebig wrote: > This occurs, for example, if you have an RFC8950 session to a route- > server at an IX and the route-server also sends you v4 routes with a > _v4_ nexthop. I would consider this to be a bug. If the route-server knows (by means

[Int-area] Re: [v6ops] Re: NDP for RFC4291 Sec. 2.5.5.1. IPv4-Compatible IPv6 Addresses for v4-w-v6-nh Forwarding/RFC8950 at RS

2025-04-08 Thread Nick Hilliard
Tobias Fiebig wrote on 07/04/2025 23:17: This occurs, for example, if you have an RFC8950 session to a route- server at an IX and the route-server also sends you v4 routes with a _v4_ nexthop. At the risk of raining on some parades, rfc8950 at internet exchanges is experimental so far. The lon

[Int-area] Re: Observation of: draft-karstens-intarea-multicast-application-port

2025-04-08 Thread Karstens, Nate
Thanks for the suggestions! I posted a new version of the document based on this and other suggestions from IETF 122: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-karstens-intarea-multicast-application-port/ Rather than provide specific guidance to the review team, the new version just points out tha

[Int-area] Request for WG adoption call for draft-karstens-intarea-multicast-application-port

2025-04-08 Thread Karstens, Nate
Chairs, This draft was discussed by pim during IETF 118 & 120 and intarea during IETF 121 & 122. There have also been some reviews on the mailing list. Would this be an appropriate time to consider adoption by the intarea WG? https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-karstens-intarea-multicast-app

[Int-area] Re: NDP for RFC4291 Sec. 2.5.5.1. IPv4-Compatible IPv6 Addresses for v4-w-v6-nh Forwarding/RFC8950 at RS

2025-04-08 Thread Tobias Fiebig
Moin, > I think the number of hosts and routers on the global Internet which > have IPv6 enabled and IPv4 disabled can probably be counted on one > person's fingers and toes; see: > >   > https://ungleich.ch/en-us/cms/blog/2019/02/05/list-of-ipv6-only-services/ >   https://sites.ip-update.net/ N

[Int-area] Re: NDP for RFC4291 Sec. 2.5.5.1. IPv4-Compatible IPv6 Addresses for v4-w-v6-nh Forwarding/RFC8950 at RS

2025-04-08 Thread Tobias Fiebig
Moin, > You mean a router, right?  If a host has no IPv4 addresses assigned, > then I don't see how it can send an IPv4 packet. Actually; *on an interface. one way to use v4-w-v6 nh in practice is binding the v4 address to lo (granted, on routers, but this also holds for packets they originate);

[Int-area] Re: [v6ops] Re: NDP for RFC4291 Sec. 2.5.5.1. IPv4-Compatible IPv6 Addresses for v4-w-v6-nh Forwarding/RFC8950 at RS

2025-04-08 Thread Tobias Fiebig
Moin, > At the risk of raining on some parades, rfc8950 at internet exchanges > is experimental so far. The long term future of this approach isn't > clear, given that its intention is to relieve the impact of lack of > availability of ipv4, which is readily available at modest cost, at > least r

[Int-area] Re: [v6ops] Re: NDP for RFC4291 Sec. 2.5.5.1. IPv4-Compatible IPv6 Addresses for v4-w-v6-nh Forwarding/RFC8950 at RS

2025-04-08 Thread Tobias Fiebig
Moin, On Tue, 2025-04-08 at 12:31 +0200, Gert Doering wrote: > I would consider this to be a bug.  If the route-server knows (by > means of config) that my router wants to receive routes with v6 > nexthops only, because my router does not *have* a v4 address, it > must not send me something know

[Int-area] Re: NDP for RFC4291 Sec. 2.5.5.1. IPv4-Compatible IPv6 Addresses for v4-w-v6-nh Forwarding/RFC8950 at RS

2025-04-08 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
>> Could you please describe the problem you're solving? > A host that 'usually' only does v4-w-v6 nexthop and does _not_ have > a(ny) v4 addresses getting routes with a v4 nexthop that are on a link > on which the host also is (but only has a v6 address on). You mean a router, right? If a host

[Int-area] Re: [GROW] Re: [v6ops] Re: NDP for RFC4291 Sec. 2.5.5.1. IPv4-Compatible IPv6 Addresses for v4-w-v6-nh Forwarding/RFC8950 at RS

2025-04-08 Thread Nick Hilliard
Tobias Fiebig wrote on 08/04/2025 14:04: ...is kind of useful here, because it also gives an IX an easy way to do proxy "ARP" for those v4 members, without actually sending ARP that would be misunderstood by them. Now I've seen "IX" and "proxy arp" in the same sentence. As a proposal. Can we

[Int-area] Re: [GROW] Re: [v6ops] Re: NDP for RFC4291 Sec. 2.5.5.1. IPv4-Compatible IPv6 Addresses for v4-w-v6-nh Forwarding/RFC8950 at RS

2025-04-08 Thread Tobias Fiebig
Moin, > Now I've seen "IX" and "proxy arp" in the same sentence. > > As a proposal. > > Can we take the entire idea away and throw it into the nearest > volcano? To be fair to the idea: DE-CIX iirc already does, effectively, proxy ARP and NDP for all members. ;-) With best regards, Tobias --