Re: [Int-area] Continuing the addressing discussion: what is an address anyway?

2022-03-07 Thread Jens Finkhaeuser
Hi, I'm new on the list - I'll just jump in, I suppose. I'm working on a couple of R&D projects on drone communications, where most participants tend to invent a different wheel from people here. Part of my being here is trying to bridge that gap a bit. I largely like the RFC 6115 definition,

Re: [Int-area] Continuing the addressing discussion: what is an address anyway?

2022-03-07 Thread Antoine FRESSANCOURT
Hello, Reading the ISP-MN draft, it seems to me that EIDs are identifiers, not locators, even if they take the form of IPvX addresses (By the way, this is a perfect example of the Locator - identifier ambiguity of IP, highlighted in Mobile IP discussions). The text of the draft mentions that th

Re: [Int-area] Continuing the addressing discussion: what is an address anyway?

2022-03-07 Thread Jens Finkhaeuser
Hi, On Monday, March 7th, 2022 at 12:14, Antoine FRESSANCOURT antoine.fressanco...@huawei.com wrote: > Hello, > > Reading the ISP-MN draft, it seems to me that EIDs are identifiers, not > locators, even if they take the form of IPvX addresses (By the way, this is a > perfect example of the L

Re: [Int-area] Continuing the addressing discussion: what is an address anyway?

2022-03-07 Thread Toerless Eckert
Thanks, Brian. Looks like a good reference. Alas a longer read ;-) Definitions seem to be agreeable. Except that "node" is overloaded across different RFCs. We used it instead of router/switch in ANIMA. I guess i would now use "logical entity" for what rfc6115 calls logical node. Cheers Toe

Re: [Int-area] Continuing the addressing discussion: what is an address anyway?

2022-03-07 Thread Toerless Eckert
Do IMSI have any structure ? An E.164 address for example is often a hybrid, where there are country and even network prefixes, which like routing prefixes can be seen as locators, whereas the suffix is an identifier... Cheers Toerless On Mon, Mar 07, 2022 at 11:14:53AM +, Antoine FRESSA

Re: [Int-area] Continuing the addressing discussion: what is an address anyway?

2022-03-07 Thread Antoine FRESSANCOURT
Hello, See comments inline From: Jens Finkhaeuser [mailto:j...@interpeer.io] Sent: Monday, March 7, 2022 1:18 PM To: Antoine FRESSANCOURT Cc: Brian E Carpenter ; Toerless Eckert ; Int-area@ietf.org; Dirk Trossen Subject: RE: [Int-area] Continuing the addressing discussion: what is an address

Re: [Int-area] Continuing the addressing discussion: what is an address anyway?

2022-03-07 Thread Antoine FRESSANCOURT
Hello, See inline -Original Message- From: Toerless Eckert [mailto:t...@cs.fau.de] Sent: Monday, March 7, 2022 1:42 PM To: Antoine FRESSANCOURT Cc: Jens Finkhaeuser ; Brian E Carpenter ; Int-area@ietf.org; Dirk Trossen Subject: Re: [Int-area] Continuing the addressing discussion: wha

Re: [Int-area] Continuing the addressing discussion: what is an address anyway?

2022-03-07 Thread Jens Finkhaeuser
Hi, --- Original Message --- On Monday, March 7th, 2022 at 14:00, Antoine FRESSANCOURT wrote: > [AFT] 3GPP provides a method to address this. Indeed, it allows bridging with > other link layer technologies, termed “Non-3GPP access networks”. Wi-Fi for > instance is seen as such a non

Re: [Int-area] Continuing the addressing discussion: what is an address anyway?

2022-03-07 Thread Alan DeKok
On Mar 7, 2022, at 8:00 AM, Antoine FRESSANCOURT wrote: > [AFT] 3GPP provides a method to address this. Indeed, it allows bridging with > other link layer technologies, termed “Non-3GPP access networks”. Wi-Fi for > instance is seen as such a non-3GPP access technology, on which the 3GPP > Aut

Re: [Int-area] Continuing the addressing discussion: what is an address anyway?

2022-03-07 Thread Toerless Eckert
Thanks, Atoine, inline > Do IMSI have any structure ? > > [AFT] An IMSI is 3 digits Mobile Country Code (MCC) then 3 digits Mobile > Network code (MNC) then 10 to 12 digits identifier. > > An E.164 address for example is often a hybrid, where there are country and > even network prefixes, whic

Re: [Int-area] Continuing the addressing discussion: what is an address anyway?

2022-03-07 Thread Antoine FRESSANCOURT
See inline, Best regards, Antoine -Original Message- Subject: Re: [Int-area] Continuing the addressing discussion: what is an address anyway? So, when i am roaming from another country, would that carrier not try to connect to my home carrier by the combination of MCC and MNC ? That

[Int-area] FW: New Version Notification for draft-lhan-satellite-instructive-routing-00.txt

2022-03-07 Thread Lin Han
Hello, all We just published a new draft. It is about the routing solution for LEO satellite network. Please review it. All comments and questions are welcome! Thanks Lin -Original Message- From: internet-dra...@ietf.org Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2022 10:16 AM To: Alvaro Retana ; Lin H

Re: [Int-area] Continuing the addressing discussion: what is an address anyway?

2022-03-07 Thread Dino Farinacci
> The addressing related point here is IMHO the RFC 6115 definition for > identifiers may be more suitable for drone uses than the LISP-MN proposal > treats EIDs: drones must carry static identifiers for authentication of > control handover, while the EID assignment in the proposal reads to me a

Re: [Int-area] Continuing the addressing discussion: what is an address anyway?

2022-03-07 Thread Dino Farinacci
> On Mar 7, 2022, at 4:18 AM, Jens Finkhaeuser wrote: > > Different sections of the draft claim different things; some claim EIDs never > change, others talk about multiple EIDs used in different scenarios. I find > section 5.1 interesting: "It is anticipated that these EIDs will change > infr

Re: [Int-area] Continuing the addressing discussion: what is an address anyway?

2022-03-07 Thread Dino Farinacci
> [AFT] If you are interested in identifiers being hashes of public keys, you > might be interested in self-certifying identifiers, used for instance in > storage systems. Check on draft-ietf-lisp-ecdsa-auth for how LISP does "CGAs" for EID assignment. Dino