ions that they have dug
> > themselves a "very nice hole". The meaningless rhetoric "WAP is bad"
> > doesn't convince any one.
>
> Past history would say that given the investment in WAP (both in dollars,
> and in professional terms), I'd be asto
kes you think that the system experts from Motorola, Nortel,
> Lucent, Erricson, Nokia who developed WAP over several months needed
> to learn protocol design lessons[?]
The fact that they went to great lengths to design a closed protocol
after decades of evidence in favor of open protocols has
> From: "Brijesh Kumar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Oh, I can't resist:
> You haven't given a single technical argument that will convince
> system experts in these big corporations that they have dug
> themselves a "very nice hole". The
> You haven't given a single technical argument that will convince
> system experts in these big corporations that they have dug themselves
> a "very nice hole". The meaningless rhetoric "WAP is bad" doesn't
> convince any one.
The problem that WAP
as one of the technical strategists from motorola who worked on wap, i can
assure all that business and technical constraints and optimizations were
paramount in the design of WAP. WAP has good stuff and bad stuff. it has
implications on technology and business models. rarely do things happen but
Masataka Ohta wrote:
> > The guy from NTT Docomo who spoke at Adelaide mentioned it. I don't remember
> > details, though.
>
> The detail you wrote in IETF ML on:
>
> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 14:30:54 -0400
>
> in
>
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> is
>
> : Didn't someone from
tead of IP and
TCP.
> >i-mode is interesting because it uses a sub-set of html, which
makes
> >life lot easier for web based application designers.
>
> Then you need to learn a little bit more about protocol
> design, WAP, and
> the limitations implied by the choices they mad
At 8:00 PM -0700 8/10/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > Well, there is a big difference between WAP's breaking the e2e model
> > > and i-mode. WAP does an application gateway and uses no Internet
> > > protocols. At least, i-mode is using IP, TCP, HTTP, etc.
Ned;
> > > Well, there is a big difference between WAP's breaking the e2e model
> > > and i-mode. WAP does an application gateway and uses no Internet
> > > protocols. At least, i-mode is using IP, TCP, HTTP, etc.
>
> > Who cares what protocol
Nilsson;
> > I'm afraid that ssh for phone is just another telephantisms. :-)
>
> Compared to your much healthier view, yes. I do agree that it is very
> interesting. I was perhaps thinking the same but failed to express; the
> hand terminal is going to be a computing device with voice capabilit
folks,
our current plan is NOT to try to extend a single address space
across the solar system. We plan to confine address spaces to
planets, satellites, space vehicles and the backbone Internet -
but each address space is independent. We plan to use something
akin to the domain name system for i
> > Well, there is a big difference between WAP's breaking the e2e model
> > and i-mode. WAP does an application gateway and uses no Internet
> > protocols. At least, i-mode is using IP, TCP, HTTP, etc.
> Who cares what protocol a device runs as long as it deliv
; Run this kind of protocol over Ricochet terminal and WAP and iMODE
> will disapper.
Well, Ricochet doesn't have a tenth the coverage that digital
cellular does, at least around here:
http://www.ricochet.com/about_us/coverage_maps/index.html
But if Ricochet integrated Simple Internet
> -Original Message-
> From: John Day [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >
> >No. it's the world's biggest NAT, and NAT *breaks the end-to-end
> >model of IP*.
>
> Well, there is a big difference between WAP's breaking the e2e model
> and i-mo
Masataka Ohta wrote:
>
> Nilsson;
>
> > I doubt that you will find support from IETF folks for something that
> > breaks the end-to-end model of IP (as Imode and WAP do as they are
> > implemented today). I want to be able to ssh to my phone (or
> > equival
At 12:20 PM +0100 8/10/00, Lloyd Wood wrote:
>On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, James P. Salsman wrote:
>
> > >... breaks the end-to-end model of IP (as Imode and WAP do as they are
> > > implemented today).
> >
> > WAP does, but apparently i-Mode does not.
>
>
Nilsson;
> I doubt that you will find support from IETF folks for something that
> breaks the end-to-end model of IP (as Imode and WAP do as they are
> implemented today). I want to be able to ssh to my phone (or
> equivalent). Anything below that is just telephantisms.
I'm af
Francis;
> => according to a IPv6 Forum internal mail:
>
> NTTDoCoMo confirmed that IPv6 will be used in their backbone
> starting Jan 2001 in a panel session with Fujitsu and the IPv6 Forum
> at WTC.
FYI, it's equally easy for docomo to use IPv4, IPv6, OSI or any other
protocol,
John;
> Renfield Kuroda wrote:
>
> > James Seng wrote:
> >
> > > Not sure if it is relevant but i-mode is working on an end-to-end IP
> > > system now which will be deploy sometime next year.
> >
> > Really?
No.
> The guy from NTT Docomo who spoke at Adelaide mentioned it. I don't remember
>
On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Barathy, RamaSubramaniam wrote:
> Soon we need to have the interplanetary ip address allocation methods
> even for our planet (The work of Vinton cerf & colleagues in NASA) for
> so many devices popping up.
This brings up some more problems I don't even want to start thinki
In your previous mail you wrote:
> One of the original reason that i-mode didnt go pure IP is they couldnt
> get enough IP address for it (they designed i-mode to handle 6M users
> originally) and that is quite huge for APNIC.
IPv6 has been around for quite some time now, do you
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Subject: Re: imode far superior to wap
On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, James Seng wrote:
> One of the original reason that i-mode didnt go pure IP is they couldnt
> get enough IP address for it (they designed i-mode to handle 6M users
> originally) and that is quite huge for APNIC.
Renfield Kuroda wrote:
> James Seng wrote:
>
> > Not sure if it is relevant but i-mode is working on an end-to-end IP
> > system now which will be deploy sometime next year.
>
> Really? I am in Tokyo and follow wireless developments, especially i-mode,
> quite closely, and I've never heard of suc
On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, James Seng wrote:
> One of the original reason that i-mode didnt go pure IP is they couldnt
> get enough IP address for it (they designed i-mode to handle 6M users
> originally) and that is quite huge for APNIC.
IPv6 has been around for quite some time now, do you know what
James Seng wrote:
> Not sure if it is relevant but i-mode is working on an end-to-end IP
> system now which will be deploy sometime next year.
Really? I am in Tokyo and follow wireless developments, especially i-mode,
quite closely, and I've never heard of such a plan.
Can you elaborate?
Thank
huge for APNIC.
-James Seng
Måns Nilsson wrote:
>
> "James P. Salsman" wrote:
> >
> > Apparently WAP is collapsing, both in terms of the general opinion
> > of engineers and pundits, and now customer revenues. The Invisible
> > Hand needs to slap some se
There are actually operational issues if not standards related ones here.
Discussion in Australia about management of the .AU ccTLD is discussing
amongst other things services like !Banggo for WAPsters who cannot stand
to try and type alpha URI and are therefore using a numeric redirection
schem
>... breaks the end-to-end model of IP (as Imode and WAP do as they are
> implemented today).
WAP does, but apparently i-Mode does not. The i-Mode vendors claim
that you can plug your laptop into your i-Mode phone in Japan (and get
speeds far faster than 9600 bps on newer phones), and s
At 12:27 PM -0400 8/9/00, Brijesh Kumar wrote:
>James,
>
>We have gone through WAP v/s non-WAP threads several times on this
>list. Let us hope this does not become another meaningless thread with
>little technical merits in the arguments.
>
>What is the use of criticizing a
James,
We have gone through WAP v/s non-WAP threads several times on this
list. Let us hope this does not become another meaningless thread with
little technical merits in the arguments.
What is the use of criticizing a technology? If it is not good for a
purpose, or only the second best, it
At 05:33 PM 8/9/00 +0200, Måns Nilsson wrote:
>I doubt that you will find support from IETF folks for something that
>breaks the end-to-end model of IP (as Imode and WAP do as they are
The WAP folks made a presentation to the Adelaide IETF, this past
Spring. The comments from the audienc
10 million subscribers
in only about 18 months of service roll-out...
NTT Docomo will also most likely be the first to deploy
3G systems in the first half of 2001.
I've had an i-Mode 502i colour handset catalogue on my
desk for a few months and from the application screen
shots I can
On Wed, 09 Aug 2000 17:33:06 +0200, =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=E5ns?= Nilsson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> I doubt that you will find support from IETF folks for something that
> breaks the end-to-end model of IP (as Imode and WAP do as they are
> implemented today). I want to be able to
"James P. Salsman" wrote:
>
> Apparently WAP is collapsing, both in terms of the general opinion
> of engineers and pundits, and now customer revenues. The Invisible
> Hand needs to slap some sense into the overly-greedy WAP Forum and
> their all-too-pervasive accom
Apparently WAP is collapsing, both in terms of the general opinion
of engineers and pundits, and now customer revenues. The Invisible
Hand needs to slap some sense into the overly-greedy WAP Forum and
their all-too-pervasive accomplices.
Imode is far more widely used in Japan, as it is a
> TSIGARIDAS PANAGIOTIS wrote:
>
> I believe, I found part of the following text in WAP Forum's WEB-pages.
> However, I think the answer -from business and technology point of view-
> is simple;
>
> Is WAP mobile Internet ? Yes and NO
>
> WAP is using exist
Keith Moore wrote:
>
> > Here in Japan we have 8 million non-WAP mobile internet users,
>
> uh, no. if you don't have IP to the phone, it's not mobile Internet.
> calling it Internet is just deceptive advertising.
I agree.
I have cell phone with an IP address.
On Fri, 7 Jul 2000, Rosie Drugeault wrote:
> why don't you come along to WAPconvention 2000 and give our delegates that
> warm fuzzy feeling with the real story?
'Cos I've got better things to do with my time than go to conventions. ;-)
Tatty bye,
Jim'll
Cc : [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date : vendredi 30 juin 2000 15:09
Objet : Re: Speakers - WAP CONVENTION - The European Event
>I might be missing something here but weren't mobile phones around for
>years before they became as ubiquituous as they are now?
>
>Tatty bye,
>
>Jim'll
>
>
Joe;
> SMTP in the Internet is, by definition, over IP. STD1 defined only one
> required reliable ordered data stream protocol - TCP.
What is your point?
Are you saying that, in the Internet, there is some application/transport
protocols not over IP but SMTP is exclusively over IP?
> > > Multi
Masataka Ohta wrote:
>
> Joe;
>
> > > > would pacbell filtering all multicast at all CPE equipemt fall into your
> > > > bucket, where do you draw the line?
> >
> > At IP, as Bob Braden said.
> >
> > SMTP is _over_ IP.
>
> Wrong. RFC821 says:
>
>SMTP is independent of the particular tran
Joe;
> > > would pacbell filtering all multicast at all CPE equipemt fall into your
> > > bucket, where do you draw the line?
>
> At IP, as Bob Braden said.
>
> SMTP is _over_ IP.
Wrong. RFC821 says:
SMTP is independent of the particular transmission subsystem and
requires only a reliab
> From: Joe Touch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> ...
> > > At IP, as Bob Braden said.
> > >
> > > SMTP is _over_ IP.
> > >
> > > Multicast _redefines_ IP (or portions of the address space thereof); it
> > > could be argued that a service provider sells 'Internet' without selling
> > > multicast IP.
> >
>
Vernon Schryver wrote:
>
> > From: Joe Touch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > ...
> > > > would pacbell filtering all multicast at all CPE equipemt fall into your
> > > > bucket, where do you draw the line?
> >
> > At IP, as Bob Braden said.
> >
> > SMTP is _over_ IP.
> >
> > Multicast _redefines_ IP
Thus spake "Brijesh Kumar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 1. A WAP phone without an IP address is not an Internet device. And,
> no one claims so.
The telcos who offer WAP service (at least in my town) market it as
"Wireless Internet Access". They do not advertise it as &
Bob Braden writes:
> -Original Message-
>
> Jon Postel would have said: If it speaks IP (UDP/TCP are not
> necessary), then it's Internet, else not.
I will add a bit to this discussion.
1. A WAP phone without an IP address is not an Internet device. And,
no one cla
> From: Joe Touch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> ...
> > > would pacbell filtering all multicast at all CPE equipemt fall into your
> > > bucket, where do you draw the line?
>
> At IP, as Bob Braden said.
>
> SMTP is _over_ IP.
>
> Multicast _redefines_ IP (or portions of the address space thereof); it
>
Vernon Schryver wrote:
>
> > > > > think we mean having unincumbered availability of the common application
> > > > > protocols, email, http, ftp, ssh, ...
> > > >
> > > > that's not quite enough; in the UK we're seeing cable-modem ISPs
> > > > attempt to restrict services to those applications
> Does it need to be if the Web/Wap app can handle this format?
web/wap apps handle a very small number of protocols compared to the
protocols that are handled by IP and used in practice.
Keith
hi arindam
try any of the WAP Emulators - from Nokia.com , phone.com etc Using that you can
get the feel of the WAP world .
cheers
Aditya
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have no access to WAP as it is, so far. Can see a glimpse through the
> Internet! Anybody who can give any suggestions h
I have no access to WAP as it is, so far. Can see a glimpse through the
Internet! Anybody who can give any suggestions however will not get a
prize
"Parkinson, Jonathan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 06-07-2000 03:30:32 PM
To: 'Jon Crowcroft' <[EMAIL PROTECT
Wellas I see it, and belive me I may be wrong 'Its been known' :-) This been
the IETF talks about well Internet ...
>>I disagree, WAP, Wireless Application Protocol, Its a way of transmitting
>>data I.E. to and from the Web. How does this not fall under the Internet
&g
Jon Postel would have said: If it speaks IP (UDP/TCP are not
necessary), then it's Internet, else not.
I thought part of the argument was about capitalization of the I. if its
lowercase, then its using IP, if its uppercase then you can expect to use
global Internet addresses and achieve a
*> From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jul 5 08:58:47 2000
*> To: "Parkinson, Jonathan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*> cc: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*> Subject: Re: Is WAP mobile Internet??
*> In-reply-to:
At 17.25 +0100 00-07-05, Lloyd Wood wrote:
> > i may not choose to use/install them
> > all, but the commumications technology i use (note this did not say the end
> > device) should not prevent me from doing so.
>
>...without having to ask some telco's permission or pay more to enable
>the abi
> but that by "on the internet" i
>think we mean having unincumbered availability of the common application
>protocols, email, http, ftp, ssh, ...
I'd go farther than that. Internet access includes only only the
ability to use the common protocols, but also the uncommon ones -
indeed, any pro
> > > > think we mean having unincumbered availability of the common application
> > > > protocols, email, http, ftp, ssh, ...
> > >
> > > that's not quite enough; in the UK we're seeing cable-modem ISPs
> > > attempt to restrict services to those applications, or to a subset of
> > > those app
Vernon,
would pacbell filtering all multicast at all CPE equipemt fall into your
bucket, where do you draw the line?
-rick
On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Vernon Schryver wrote:
> > From: Lloyd Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > ...
> > > my point is not to push sms or whatever. but that by "on the intern
> From: Lloyd Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> ...
> > my point is not to push sms or whatever. but that by "on the internet" i
> > think we mean having unincumbered availability of the common application
> > protocols, email, http, ftp, ssh, ...
>
> that's not quite enough; in the UK we're seeing c
>>Jon, I wonder how WAP will fit into Multicast apps - even
>>if its single line txt based msg's app ?
football scores/(tennis etc)
share price (look at stockbroker trading terminal - they have very
small amount of realestate for the given instrument)
many many things w
I think you both makes some good points. However, the main issue is: "Will
there be a NEED for some type of Wireless Application?" ...and the
Undisputable answer is: "Absolutely".
Now, whether the ultimate STANDARD will be WAP or some other application is
somewhat irreleva
On Wed, 05 Jul 2000 15:26:13 +0200, Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > I'd have to disagree there. The 8 million non-WAP users
> > in Japan are unarguably enjoying the most prolific, robust,
> > and deep wireless Internet available today.
>
> W
->-Original Message-
->From: Jon Crowcroft [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
->Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 11:19 AM
->To: Parkinson, Jonathan
->Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
->Subject: Re: Is WAP mobile Internet??
->
->
->
->In messa
On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Stewart Nolan wrote:
> The web sits atop the internet, as do the protocols mentioned, as does
> WAP.
Yes - the Internet in my mind is just a collection of protocols, be they
what they may. Over what physical medium data travel is irrelevant, but
doesn't the t
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Parkinson, Jonathan" typed:
>>I disagree, WAP, Wireless Application Protocol, Its a way of transmitting
>>data I.E. to and from the Web. How does this not fall under the Internet
>>Umbrella ?
1 youcan't get at an arb
I think mobile internet is misleading. (A subset of)mobile web perhaps, but
not mobile internet. What about services such as SMTP/Telnet/Usenet? These
are not protocols that a WAP Browser will deal with, it might emulate the
services provided via WAP, but it won't do it natively. The web
t me from doing so.
e.g. that one-chip web server, with no human interface, is indeed "on the
internet." a wap phone is not internet, it's waporware !
randy
At 15.15 +0100 00-07-05, Parkinson, Jonathan wrote:
>I disagree, WAP, Wireless Application Protocol, Its a way of transmitting
>data I.E. to and from the Web. How does this not fall under the Internet
>Umbrella ?
Things connected to the "Internet" is able to exchange IP
Title: RE: Is WAP mobile Internet??
I believe, I found part of the following text in WAP Forum's WEB-pages. However, I think the answer -from business and technology point of view- is simple;
Is WAP mobile Internet ? Yes and NO
WAP is using existing Internet standards. Th
I disagree, WAP, Wireless Application Protocol, Its a way of transmitting
data I.E. to and from the Web. How does this not fall under the Internet
Umbrella ?
Thanks
Jon
-Original Message-
From: Ashutosh Agarwal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 2:25 PM
To
hnny; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Is WAP mobile Internet??
>
> The Web is NOT the Internet. The Web is one Internet application.
>
> /L-E
>
>
>
> >The Internet allows all protocols to in-operate with her. This is the
> >uniqueness
>
> The Internet allows all protocols to in-operate with her.
With it, you mean.
> I'd have to disagree there. The 8 million non-WAP users
> in Japan are unarguably enjoying the most prolific, robust,
> and deep wireless Internet available today.
We still have more than five billion users who aren't even online yet. They
haven't enjoyed anything thus far.
> Here in Japan we have 8 million non-WAP mobile internet users,
uh, no. if you don't have IP to the phone, it's not mobile Internet.
calling it Internet is just deceptive advertising.
Hi all,
I fully agree with Lars. Even I believe WAP does not fall under the Internet
Umbrella
Ashutosh Agarwal
e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Change your thoughts and you change your world
future. Beyond that, I wouldn't make any specific predictions about what
form it might take.
> In addition to this point I would like to also
> state WAP is the front runner in regards to linking
> wireless apps to the Global Internet and her sub-nets.
I'm not sure what you mean by &qu
The Web is NOT the Internet. The Web is one Internet application.
/L-E
>The Internet allows all protocols to in-operate with her. This is the
>uniqueness
>of the web. Therefore WAP falls within this area!
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Lars-Erik Jonsson [mailto:[EMAIL
"Taylor, Johnny" wrote:
In addition to this point I would
like to also state WAP is the front runner in regards to linking
wireless apps to the Global Internet and her sub-nets.
I'd have to disagree there. The 8 million non-WAP users in Japan are unarguably
enjoying the most p
The Internet allows all protocols to in-operate with her. This is the
uniqueness
of the web. Therefore WAP falls within this area!
-Original Message-
From: Lars-Erik Jonsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 7:54 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Is WAP mobile
Good Point & I will tap into Japan Wireless infra-structure!
-Original Message-
From: Renfield Kuroda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 9:07 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Is WAP mobile Internet??
I don't think WAP Mobile Internet any more than
Great Catch. It doesn't get any more Mobile on the Internet then that!
-Original Message-
From: Parkinson, Jonathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 8:24 AM
To: 'Lars-Erik Jonsson'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Is WAP mobile Internet??
Okay WAP a
I like that close!
-Original Message-
From: Gilbert Cattoire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 1:12 PM
To: Anthony Atkielski; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: WAP - What A Problem...
At 18:29 +0200 29/06/00, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
>I don't understand why
Well I guess when you look at multiple technologies like
VR (voice recognition), VN (voice navigation), IA (intelligent agents),
& WAP of course, Then you begin to see the relationships and importance
of wireless applications. I concur with you on the point of land optics
however the ave
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From: Graham Klyne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 05 July 2000 17:59
To: Vernon Schryver
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: WAP - What A Problem...
At 07:22
At 07:22 PM 7/4/00 -0600, Vernon Schryver wrote:
>If you are only using your cell phone screen for text messages, why
>do you need WAP?
You don't.
(My phone isn't a WAP phone, but it does do SMS.)
#g
Graham Klyne
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
I
value email far higher than the WWW, perhaps because I've been receiving
email as "vjs" since the 1960's. However, even I doubt that the telephants
would have jumped on the WAP bandwagon if WAP were intended merely as
competition for the alphanumeric or "chatty" pagin
> Well, 10 million Japanese, and growing by 20,000 every DAY.
Only 100 million more to go.
The Japanese, however, have a passion for highly miniaturized gadgets, so
I'm not sure that they are representative.
Personally, I don't even have a laptop, mainly because I find laptops so
incredibly clu
Graham Klyne wrote:
> At 07:12 PM 6/30/00 +0200, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
> >Why use SMS instead of just voice?
> >
> >Has anyone considered the ergonomics of WAP? Even if it works perfectly,
> >how many people are willing to work on a screen smaller than a cre
> But I have been astonished by the degree of adoption of SMS (in UK) by
> school children who purchase their own pre-pay mobile phones (for about
> $50-100). SMS may be awkward, but the per-use cost is is very low, and
> totally predictable. And the users in this case soon learn to handle
At 07:12 PM 6/30/00 +0200, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
>Why use SMS instead of just voice?
>
>Has anyone considered the ergonomics of WAP? Even if it works perfectly,
>how many people are willing to work on a screen smaller than a credit card?
>How many people are capable of to
r e n;
> I don't think WAP Mobile Internet any more than TCP/IP is Internet.
There is no such thing as WAP Mobile Internet.
> The Mobile Internet is data/communication devices you carry around with you.
>
> Here in Japan we have 8 million non-WAP mobile internet user
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 19:12:26 +0200, Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > Anyway, I have a really good instinct for picking technology winners, and
> > thus far I put WAP in the same category as MiniDiscs, bubble memory, color
I don't think WAP Mobile Internet any more than TCP/IP is Internet.
The Mobile Internet is data/communication devices you carry around with you.
Here in Japan we have 8 million non-WAP mobile internet users, plus another 2
million WAP users, and the numbers are exploding.
But, and I know
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Subject: Re: WAP - What A Problem... (Document link: Database 'Jim
Stephenson-Dunn', View '($Sent)')
Valdis and Alan, you have a very valid point, infrastructure is not only
expensive but very time consuming. The engineering component (conf
On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 19:12:26 +0200, Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Anyway, I have a really good instinct for picking technology winners, and
> thus far I put WAP in the same category as MiniDiscs, bubble memory, color
> fax machines, and quadraphonic sound. I t
ricty- but they can get
> batteries and if they use sms (e.g. for calling
> emergency service/flying doctors/vets etc), they
> can make them last quite a long time
Why use SMS instead of just voice?
Has anyone considered the ergonomics of WAP? Even if it works perfectly,
how many people are wil
>>> especially for those 3 houses
>>> out on the far side of the mountain down the dirt
>>> road.
>>>
>>> > Countries without landlines are not going to be a
>>> part of the global economy
>>> > unless they upgrade in a ma
in down the dirt
> road.
>
> > Countries without landlines are not going to be a
> part of the global economy
> > unless they upgrade in a major way very soon.
>
> You got this wrong. Countries without
> *connectivity* will be scre
be a landline involved.
Having said that, I'm *not* a WAP proponent. ;)
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Valdis Kletnieks
Operating Systems Analyst
Virginia Tech
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At 13.54 +0200 00-06-30, Lars-Erik Jonsson wrote:
>I would like to hear your opinions about how WAP people often say that WAP is
>"mobile Internet".
Well, Ericsson do in their ads :-) :-) (I say to a person at Ericsson).
From my point of view, you can (through a proxy servic
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