Thus spake "Brijesh Kumar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 1. A WAP phone without an IP address is not an Internet device. And,
> no one claims so.

The telcos who offer WAP service (at least in my town) market it as
"Wireless Internet Access".  They do not advertise it as "wireless
application-proxy-based access to certain web pages", which is what
they're really selling.

> 2. A WAP device can have both IP and non-IP addresses. So a WAP
> device could be an Internet device at one time and non-Internet device
> a bit later (at least in theory).

If it speaks IP, it's Internet.  None of the WAP phones I've used or
seen so far speak IP.

> 3. An IP address is not very useful on most mobile (cellular) devices.

With the current billing model of per-minute connection charges and slow
speeds, it's not useful.  The economics just aren't there for the
consumer.

If the business model were different, it could definitely be useful --
if my laptop had fast, always-on wireless IP access at a reasonable
price, I'd never go to the office.

> A lot of useful services and applications can be provided without IP
> on the wireless devices. That includes sending and receiving mails
> to/from the Internet, and limited web browsing via proxy gateways.

Agreed.  Those services are useful, and they can be done without IP --
it's just not Internet.

Let's not forget one of the most significant reasons the Internet was
created was to eliminate the need for network-based application
gateways.  In this context, WAP devices are anti-Internet.

> 4. Wireless web access using IP is already here, but very few bother
> to use it. Networks with the ability to handle IP traffic such as CDPD
> have traditionally very low (as per my info, under 15% or so) capacity
> utilization and just about every network is under utilized, and in big
> loss situation, so much for IP access in wireless devices. At the same
> time GSM SMS which needs no IP addressing has a tremendous
> demands. So go figure out utility and economics of IP addresses in
> wireless devices for now.

See above.

S

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