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Barry Leiba writes:
> The general point is that the new people whom we want
> to draw in as productive participants will be watching how we treat
> each other and deciding whether they want to wade into that pool.
It's not just new people watching and being turned off. There are
plenty of old t
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> Google is pushing for dotless-dot-search, so you can guarantee it will
> work in chromium (with or without ICANN's blessing).
Here is what a Google employee actually said about Google and dotless
domains at last week's ICANN public forum in Durban:
>>JORDYN BUCHANAN: HELLO. I'M JORDYN BUCHANAN
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> Looking back in hindsight, what would help is to have some means for the
> IETF to provide a maintenance vehicle for it's products.
I think there is some truth to this.
The reality has at times been that some WGs get a bit out of control
after they've been around a while, and getting them to d
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[only now reviewing this thread...]
Stephane Bortzmeyer writes:
> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:26:39AM +1000,
> Mark Andrews wrote
> a message of 52 lines which said:
> > I'm not sure what the solution should be but regular audits of
> > delegated nameservers by infrastructure operator and re
> I've wondered for some time whether the reported bytes is the
> whole message I send included context quotes, or if there is
> an attempt by the summary logic to factor out quoted
> content.
Original script is here:
http://www.hactrn.net/hacks/mh-list-traffic/mh-list-traffic
I don't think I've
What the weekly stats really ought to tally up is the readers/postings
ratio, so that folk would get more direct feedback as to whether what they are
posting is actually being read...
My strong suspicion would be that there is strong negative correlation
between frequency of posts and actual reade
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> > To be honest at this point I'm sort of reflexively
> > anti-process-documents, unless there's an actual problem
> > that needs actual solution.
> Which is why this isn't a process document.
Watching this thread, I sense the authors trying hard not to make a
process document, presumably becaus
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Hi John.
I agree there are a number of specific cases where there is no
simple/obvious way to handle. I'd be OK with something fairly simple
as "unaffiliated" or "consultant" or something more nuanced. But I'd
like to think those are edge cases (but could of course be wrong in
how common they are)
I don't think the IETF needs to be in the profile/resume
business. There are plenty of other places that do a fine job already.
What I do think the IETF should do is *require* that participants
identify themselves. That means knowing who they are (a name and email
contact) and an affiliation. For
+1 to what Jari says below.
>From my perspective, the important things to keep in mind:
1) Discuss criteria should be principles, not rigid rules. The details
of the issue at hand always matter, and it will sometimes come down to
judgement calls where reasonable individuals just might disagree. A
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Pete Resnick writes:
> On 5/3/13 7:59 AM, Thomas Narten wrote:
> > Like everyone, I wish things moved more quickly, but every attempt
> > I've ever seen that tries to speed things up ends up reducing the
> > quality or having some other undesirable side effect.
>
Dave Crocker writes:
> The issue with providing management assistance is to focus on
> managing the work. That's an organizational orientation, not just a
> tracking thing. It's about getting clarity of the work to be done
> and of getting folks to do the work of contributing, writing,
> review
Ray Pelletier writes:
> Provide WG Chairs the monitoring tools they need to be proactive -
> Action Tracker, what do I need to do today data tracker views.
> Same for AD.
> Same for authors and their mentors, if any.
Tools may help in some cases (IESG, chairs), but the fundamental
problem is
"Adrian Farrel" writes:
> Well said, Thomas.
> > Two concrete suggestions:
> >
> > 1) have WGs do the managing role more proactively
> > 2) mentor authors and others a bit more to encourage them how best to
> > operate
> Which I suspect means...
> 0) have ADs manage/mentor the WG chairs more
> Good point. I guess the obvious answers are "not enough
> cycles" and, for newer authors, uncertainty about how to
> get stuff done, but are there other less obvious answers?
> (Input here might really help the IESG discussion btw since
> in the nature of things, we're less likely to realise wha
Just a few points...
Michael Richardson writes:
> I'll repeat what has been said repeatedly in the newtrk and related
> discussions. The step from ID to "RFC" is too large because we are
> essentially always aiming for "STD" rather than "PS".
> If we are unwilling to bring "RFC" back to a plac
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I agree with many of the comments that others have raised on this
thread. Just a couple of things to add that I don't recall seeing
mentioned.
An OAM protocol is run in the context of a Maintenance Domain,
consisting of two or more nodes that run the OAM protocol, referred
to as Maintenan
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It is good to document what we have been doing. But the text seems to
focus on technology and tools...
IMO, what is missing is operational Best Practices. We seem to be
lacking them (are any written down?) And we don't follow them
consistently, especially from one WG to another. Many of the proble
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Stephen Farrell writes:
> Responses to Cullen below, but this is getting to the point
> where unless someone else who likes the idea wants to join
> the discussion, I'm going to conclude that we're collectively
> either unwilling or unable to consider 3933 experiments and
> regard this one as dea
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I do not really have time or desire to enter an extended discussion on
this document. It's pretty clear to me we just disagree. But I did
want to be on record as not supporting this document so that silence
wouldn't be taken as agreement or support.
A few specific followups below.
> > This docume
FWIW, I share Joe's concerns. And Stephen's responses don't really
change my mind.
This document seems to have a bit of missing the forest for the
trees. In the overall scheme of things, I don't believe the draft will
materially help, and is at best a distraction from dealing with
meaningful probl
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Stewart Bryant writes:
> Indeed an interesting additional question.
> My view is that you MUST NOT use RFC2119 language, unless you MUST use
> it, for exactly that reason. What is important is "on the wire" (a term
> that from experience is very difficult to define) inter-operation, and
> imp
+1 to Brian and others saying upper case should be used sparingly, and
only where it really matters. If even then.
The notion (that some have) that MUST means you have to do something
to be compliant and that a "must" (lower case) is optional is just
nuts.
If the ARP spec were to say, "upon recei
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> Maybe an IESG statement on this respect can help here.
Is the existing text in RFC 5226 not sufficient? It contains extensive
text about the purpose and role of designated experts, and was revised
substantially the last time around to try and find a good middle
ground between being overly prescr
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