chatGPT does NOT write VSE HLASM programs.

renamed thread I am VSE person (althru I had other hats) This is definitely not a VSE program. It has the already identified problems (replace DCB with DTF and you have it) I also like to mention that I still do write HLASM programs for those who ask for it. Niches such as VSAM exits,

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Thanks a lot, it would be always better to give even a very small ASSEMBLER program a test run instead of simply posting it to a public web site. I will fix this on Wikipedia as soon as I can. I'm not sure if ASSEMBLER should be used by humans :-) given this episode. In fact, it was used in th

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive

I remember going to a customer to discuss a deep technical problem. Before they let us into the inner sanctum were given a dump and were asked "what's the problem?" My colleague looked at it and said there is a program check at this address, and this is fixed in ptf uy " come on in you've pass

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

My favourite use of Assembler was an E15 sort exit. I developed it to enable access to CA-Datacom database tables. It was originally written for a VSE shop and it proved to be so useful (and fast), I maintained the code when I worked in MVS shops. It was enhanced over the years to be condensed down

Re: Switching between SMT-1 and SMT-2

Just to provide some perspective on the value of SMT-2, critical system functions are SMT-2 -- no choice. For example SAP runs SMT-2 on z15 (I haven't checked for earlier models as we have z15). So SMT-2 is "so bad" that it is always used for one of the key mainframe differentiators over other ar

Re: Switching between SMT-1 and SMT-2

Minor correction – evident in the SMF data: One SAP runs SMT-1; The rest run SMT-2. (My code does, of course 😀, take this into account.) Cheers, Martin From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Attila Fogarasi Date: Wednesday, 6 September 2023 at 09:41 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Su

Re: Switching between SMT-1 and SMT-2

I really hope you’re not advising customers to run the zIIP pool at 100%. Key functions such as Db2 DBM1 Deferred Write and Prefetch, as well as Db2 Log Writes, depend on very good access to zIIP. (This is actually why I first wrote my zIIP Capacity & Performance presentation 10 years ago.) An

Re: Switching between SMT-1 and SMT-2

On 6/09/2023 7:52 pm, Martin Packer wrote: I really hope you’re not advising customers to run the zIIP pool at 100%. Key functions such as Db2 DBM1 Deferred Write and Prefetch, as well as Db2 Log Writes, depend on very good access to zIIP. I'm not advising customers, I'm just saying that work

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive - Dumps - Early days

I used to arrive at work every morning to have to wade through a two foot high paper system dump to see why an OS abend had occurred that night.  Every night, pretty well in the early days! MFT, MVT, MVS.  MVS was a LOT better. Running TSO in 3/4 of a meg was interesting.  And VERY slow. We u

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive - Personal Attacks - Psychology

I wrote some code about 13 years ago. It allowed long parameters, and even more importantly, it allowed card files to be generated with symbolic parameter replacement for typical utilities in "card" files. And effectively it allows card files to be stored in Proclibs with parameters or symboli

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

LOL, good find Dave. I love how in your head I am. But, you won’t find many grammar or spelling errors. My mom was a teacher. Dave has relegated himself to spelling and grammar checks. Which takes me back to the state awards in Algebra and Geometry I received. At the top in those subjects. Ever

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Which brings up another 'interesting' anecdote.   I used chatGPT to 'write' a set of bylaws for a new non-profit for a youth sports club.   I asked it over a dozen times with different wording, and it came back with a wide variety of results - some that were long and included many sections, and

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Shocking, LexisNexis is over 200 years old and is designed specifically for legal purposes. ChatGPT is less than a year old and isn’t designed (yet) for the legal profession. Good choice picking the LexisNexis one. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, September 6, 2023, 8:48 AM, Dea

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

What you are quoting (1., 2., 3.) are facts ... of course true, and nothing to dispute about. But your conclusions are wrong ... Assembler is of value anyway; Ray Mullins DID say that. For example for studying the outcome of translators and for performance analysis etc. IMO knowledge of Assemble

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

"LexisNexis is over 200 years old..." Bull. LexisNexis was started by a lawyer in 1956... Joe On Wed, Sep 6, 2023 at 7:57 AM Bill Johnson < 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Shocking, LexisNexis is over 200 years old and is designed specifically > for legal purposes. Chat

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive - Personal Attacks - Psychology

I was told many years ago by a professional (her 'field' was in manic depression and anger management, particularly children) that feeling a loss of control is the cause of much (most?) anger.   It made a lot of sense to me, and since then I've observed that this appears to be mostly, if not en

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Assembler is of little value and declining every year for most Installers/Systems Programmers not a part of ISVs. Which is the vast majority. Putting down other people in this profession is the MO of guys like the terrible twenty. Who claim that if you don’t know or use assembler, you’re just a

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Lol, it pays to do thorough research. 1818 it began. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/legal-information-management/article/lexisnexis-the-future-of-law-since-1818/08BFF6F4025EB3800E2E44681CA6025C Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, September 6, 2023, 9:05 AM, Joe Monk wrote

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

ChatGPT says that that it is a few years out of date often when you ask a "political" type question. So I have been experimenting with Google's AI - Bard.Google.com. And I like it. Recently, I have asked it about some programming.  Like "please code this:"  It isn't always accurate, however

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

I’m betting Google’s chatbot is better. I haven’t tried it out yet. AI is the future. Assembler is not. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, September 6, 2023, 9:24 AM, Clem Clarke wrote: ChatGPT says that that it is a few years out of date often when you ask a "political" type qu

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive - Dumps - Early days

Clem, I've never heard of CLEO. Should I assume it's NOT the same CLEO that comes up when I search "cleo programming language"? That one looks like some modern scripting thing. It's pretty interesting these languages that came and went. You'd think that there would still be pockets of each,

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive - Dumps - Early days

Please can this conversation be moved to the assembler list (and so give it usage!) Thank you Colin On Wed, 6 Sept 2023 at 14:35, Phil Smith III wrote: > Clem, I've never heard of CLEO. Should I assume it's NOT the same CLEO > that comes up when I search "cleo programming language"? That one loo

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Hi Bill, Do you know the meaning of "non sequitur"? What is the connection between my attention to detail, your mother's career and your winning awards? Now that you're busy boasting, why don't you also tell us which state gave you the awards? Since you're the self-proclaimed expert on the rel

SDSF REXX Question

After using the SDSF REXX API and issuing the “rc = isfcalls(‘off’)” is there a way to release/free the storage that the various calls to the API have allocated. I know I can do a “drop isfulog.” But is there a general way? TIA Lionel B. Dyck <>< Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com Github: htt

TSS & Kerberos

Has anyone done this ? I have been task with setting up this environment and to provide some code to access this environment. I have been following the Kerberso Section in the TSS Administrating Guide. I am at the point of Map Foreign Environments/Realms. I don't understand exactly what is

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Since I’ve never worked in a RACF shop, ACF2 & Top Secret only, is this relevant? Or is your narcissism really strong today? Do you know what a narcissist is? Because you’re textbook. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, September 6, 2023, 10:30 AM, David Spiegel <0468385049d1-dm

Compile mod_wsgi Python Apache module

Hello, We are trying to compile mod_wsgi Python Apache module to run some websites written in Python. Everything is fine until we run make to compile the plugin. Tt fails because somehow a file is missing, but AFAIK the file is where is supposed to be. Has anyone succeeded in compiling mod

Re: Ray Mullins on Assembler demand.

With that definition the learning curve is very different. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Andrew Rowley Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2023 11:10 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Ray Mullins on Assembler demand. On 6/09/2023 1

Re: SDSF REXX Question

Lionel isfreset("all") will drop all SDSF special variables. It won't drop any column stems. However, we are not sure if dropping a variable always releases the storage. We have seen cases where REXX just marks the SVB available but the storage is still allocated. Rob Scott Rocket Software

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

> Putting down other people in this profession is the MO of guys like the > terrible twenty. I hope that you are including yourself in that. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> S

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

If you wrote that code on Wiki from scratch without ever assembling it, that's pretty amazing. My method is to basically copy, modify, and let the computer find my problems - with lots of iterations. It's just a different way to work I guess. On 9/6/2023 12:29 AM, Bernd Oppolzer wrote: Than

Re: SDSF REXX Question

Rob - thank you very much. Your comment on the drop not always releasing storage is troubling but it is what it is. Lionel B. Dyck <>< Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com Github: https://github.com/lbdyck “Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you are, reputat

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

> because in the 1950s and 1960s, > it was the only language we had. ? COBOL COMIT FACT FARGO FORTRAN IPL-V LISP PL/I RPG SNOBOL From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bernd Oppolzer Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 3:29 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LI

Help on DFSORT SUM FIELDS

Hi all, I am trying to process DCOLLECT type "D"; "B"; "M"; records in order to get one record by HLQ with the allocated space by active files, migrated files and backup files, and I am doing something wrong because I am getting one output record for each input record, instead of the few hundreds I

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

In fact I’m not. Because I only respond to attacks from the TT. Many here actually fear the TT. (Terrible Twenty) The TT thinks they run the list. They don’t. Like I’ve said a number of times, there are very few experts here. I’m not one. If you have an SMP/E question, you probably have a 60-70

z/OSMF and the Old Timer

I have had a few minor battles with z/OSMF over the years, so my view may be a bit biased. My new z/OS 2.5 install and upgrade is in progress. I have been going through all of the apps and workflows. All of my local usermods from V2R4 and before are applied. I am a ServerPac veteran and am n

Re: z/OSMF and the Old Timer

Hi, We just went through the same thing. There is a job that renames the libraries and then creates an alias or path for each one. Once that is run, the catalogs you created for the new system should have the original dataset names (SYS1.NUCLUES, SYS1.LPALIB etc.) and you should be able to IPL f

LexisNexis

Uk is not US. On 06/09/2023 15:15, Bill Johnson wrote: Lol, it pays to do thorough research. 1818 it began. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/legal-information-management/article/lexisnexis-the-future-of-law-since-1818/08BFF6F4025EB3800E2E44681CA6025C Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

Re: LexisNexis

Not exactly. It is owned by RELX. Which is primarily based in London but has offices in NY & worldwide. It trades on primarily the LSE but also in NY & elsewhere. RELX plc is a British multinational information and analytics company headquartered in London, England. Its businesses provide scien

SMP/E and USS

Consider this from an SMPMCS: ++HFS()DISTLIB(lll) SYSLIB(sss) BINARY LINK('lib/lib.a') PARM(PATHMODE(0,6,4,4)) RELFILE(5) . That creates, in the directory specified o

Re: Help on DFSORT SUM FIELDS

>> I am doing something wrong because I am getting one output record for each >> input record, instead of the few hundreds I was expecting to get. Jack, If I had to take an educated guess, you are getting an overflow error. Look for ICE152I message in the sysout. I guess you earlier had a simi

Re: SDSF REXX Question

On Wed, 6 Sep 2023 15:40:03 +, Rob Scott wrote: > >isfreset("all") will drop all SDSF special variables. It won't drop any >column stems. > >However, we are not sure if dropping a variable always releases the storage. >We have seen cases where REXX just marks the SVB available but the stor

Re: SDSF REXX Question

Gil wrote: >My understanding is that to DROP a compound stem frees all associated storage. Correct. >Freeing an individual variable or member of a compound does not. In fact, it >can be demonstrated that to DROP an individual member of a compound actually >*increases* the storage used. Also corre

Re: Help on DFSORT SUM FIELDS

Jack, I just ran your control cards against my dcollect extract and I know the reason for overflow. Your INREC is initializing the space values that you are summing with zeros IF that Record( D, B, M) is FOUND. So, if you don't have any one of the record, you will be summing the spaces/garbag

Re: SDSF REXX Question

On Wed, 6 Sep 2023 13:46:25 -0400, Phil Smith III wrote: > >This is not meant to be snide, just a citation of sorts: these behaviors were >discussed long ago when Rexx was introduced to VM/CMS, are established canon. >(Is that redundant? Can there be UNestablished canon?) > I used to know that.

Re: [EXTERNAL] SMP/E and USS

Phil, You say these files are identical. I believe that is not the case, I believe they are, in fact, the same. If you go into the 'lib' directory and do a 'ls -l', you will get the permission bits on the left. If the first character is a '-', it's a normal file, but if it's a 'l', it's actu

Re: SMP/E and USS

LINK and SYMLINK are for alternate names. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Phil Smith III Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 1:04 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: SMP/E and USS Consider this from an SMPMCS: ++HFS()DI

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Ok ... not quire correct, but: the first ASSEMBLER languages go back to the years 1947 to 1951, if my sources are right; there was some sort of ASSEMBLER for the 701 (which was available in 1953, IIRC). The first HLL was Fortran, IMO, which should be 1956 ca. So there are some years in the 1950

Re: SMP/E and USS

On Wed, 6 Sep 2023 18:57:25 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >LINK and SYMLINK are for alternate names. > Don't know SMP/E conventions. But in UNIX jargon a "link" is an ordinary directory entry identifying a file by its I-number. There may be multiple such links for a single file. In contrast to P

Re: SMP/E and USS

The SMP convention is that LINK is a hard link and SYMLINK is a soft link. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 3:11 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Yes, assemblers came first, but was well before FORTRAN. I' not sure whether to cite the earlier , as it was never implemented. From: IBM Mainframe

Re: SMP/E and USS

On Wed, 6 Sep 2023 19:27:36 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >The SMP convention is that LINK is a hard link and SYMLINK is a soft link. > Long ago I was (disingenuously) dismayed to learn that in SMP/E Linkage Editor JCLIN: INCLUDE SYSLIB(alias-name) ... failed even though alias-name was specifi

Re: SMP/E and USS

Thanks, Rex-they are not symlinks, I did check that (and should have said so!). They're all -rw-r--r-- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: I

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

How can Bombastic Bill have worked all those years and never worked in a RACF shop? VSE shops never had RACF, however, RACF has had the Lion's share for years. On Thu, Sep 7, 2023 at 5:32 AM Seymour J Metz wrote: > Yes, assemblers came first, but < > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laning_and_Zier

Re: SDSF REXX Question

Lionel, Does the storage not dropped create a problem? Or is this just a thing you want cleaned up? On Thu, Sep 7, 2023 at 4:02 AM Paul Gilmartin < 042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > On Wed, 6 Sep 2023 13:46:25 -0400, Phil Smith III wrote: > > > >This is not meant to be sni

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Because throughout over half my career ACF2 was the number 1 security package and RACF only had around 20% of the market. Medical Mutual, my longest time at any one employer used Top Secret. Most people who claim to be knowledgeable about the mainframe, would know ACF2 was the number 1 security

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: SMP/E and USS

Ok, that is odd now. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Phil Smith III Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 3:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: SMP/E and USS Thanks, Rex-they are not symlinks, I did check that (and should have sa

Re: SDSF REXX Question

The site that asked me seemed to think it important. On Wed, Sep 6, 2023 at 3:16 PM Wayne Bickerdike wrote: > Lionel, > > Does the storage not dropped create a problem? Or is this just a thing you > want cleaned up? > > On Thu, Sep 7, 2023 at 4:02 AM Paul Gilmartin < > 042bfe9c879d-dmarc-req

Re: SDSF REXX Question

And to your rhetorical question -- Yes it is called a loose canon. [Back to flinging REXX...] Steve Thompson On 9/6/2023 4:16 PM, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: Lionel, Does the storage not dropped create a problem? Or is this just a thing you want cleaned up? On Thu, Sep 7, 2023 at 4:02 AM Paul Gi

Re: SMP/E and USS

Rex wrote: > Ok, that is odd now. Ah hah: https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.5.0?topic=examples-example-3-packaging-sysmod-symbolic-link is an example showing: ++HFS(GSKAH010) and says When SMP/E installs file GSKAH010 into the directory specified on the given DDDEF entry, the LINK and SYMLINK

Re: SDSF REXX Question

Steve Thompson wrote: >And to your rhetorical question -- Yes it is called a loose canon. Ouch. I deserved that! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: SMP/E and USS

Thanks for letting me know the resolution. My feeble brain had symbolic and hard links mixed up in my head and I was thinking the "l" in column 1 was a hard link indication. You are correct that the link doesn't take extra space. It's just a second pointer to the same file. Rex -Origi

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Switching between SMT-1 and SMT-2

As your zIIP utilization approaches 100 percent what you should expect is a corresponding increase in zIIP-on-CP time. That is a system-wide processor optimization technique. It does not deal directly with the subject of WLM workload dispatching priorities. -Original Message- From: IB

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

On Wed, Sep 06, 2023 at 09:02:28PM +0200, Bernd Oppolzer wrote: > IIRC, in the first years of HLLs, there were some debates that HLLs > are not usable because of the poor code the compilers generated at that > time. This was true even in the 1960s for the first versions of PL/1. A lot later than t

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive

My interview for my first full-time job, at a big Savings and Loan in 1979 (after the HR interview) with my to-be boss Les went like this:  he picked up a thick post-bound continuous-form listing, opened it to a random spot, pointed to an assembler instruction and asked "what does this do?"  Di

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Bill Johnson wrote on 9/6/2023 6:27 AM: [...] AI is the future. [...] FSV "future".  Who remembers the "Parry" program from the early 1970s?  At SAIL, later renamed to SU-AI.  Oh, if you weren't on the ARPAnet circa 1973, you probably never saw Parry.  It was the first AI program I knew abo

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Michael Stein wrote on 9/6/2023 3:45 PM: [...] PL/1 F level subroutine calls did a getmain/freemain for each subroutine call. Too much overhead to call even one subroutine for each of 30K records on a 360/91 & MVT. Well, my recollection is that if you had only Static storage, no Automatic sto

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

I tried Chathpt to write the prolog part of an assembler prolog. It did not do badly but what it put out needed a little work but it was repairable Sent from my iPhone No one said I could type with one thumb > On Sep 6, 2023, at 18:30, Leonard D Woren wrote: > > Bill Johnson wrote on 9/6/

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Most businesses disagree with you and are spending billions to achieve. https://www.accenture.com/us-en/services/ai-artificial-intelligence-index Comparing 1973 to 2023 is like comparing a model T Ford to a space-X rocket. Technological advances are coming faster & faster. The phone in my hand

Don't need to know languages to update programs?

I really, really hate to agree with this. But I remember fixing a small app my company purchased that was written in APL, and I REALLY don't know APL. But, you know, you look at it, and you look things up, and you think "maybe this shoulda said this other thing", and if it works then you look

There are good bosses and then there are the other kind

I remember our group showing up early for an interdepartmental meeting. Our boss spent the time we waited deriding management's latest decisions. Then the bosses showed up and he praised their wisdom and leadership. Not very smart; even thinking that sort of thing in your own private head is

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Sorry Dave but I’m skipping to Bill’s response. I recently blocked Bill's e-mail and don’t get to see his posts apart from people’s responses. For those that might be interested … block 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu whi

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Am 07.09.2023 um 01:40 schrieb Leonard D Woren: Michael Stein wrote on 9/6/2023 3:45 PM: [...] PL/1 F level subroutine calls did a getmain/freemain for each subroutine call. Too much overhead to call even one subroutine for each of 30K records on a 360/91 & MVT. Well, my recollection is that

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Monty the Mustang will be disappointed. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, September 6, 2023, 9:25 PM, Matt Hogstrom wrote: Sorry Dave but I’m skipping to Bill’s response.  I recently blocked Bill's e-mail and don’t get to see his posts apart from people’s responses.  For those

PL/I early compilers performance issues

Thinking a little bit more about this: the insurance company used auto variables heavily, BUT: until the 2010 time frame, they didn't allow (or: suggested not to use) INTERNAL PL/1 procedures !! Instead they had some home grown macros based on label variables, which worked much the same like p

Re: Help on DFSORT SUM FIELDS

Hi Kolusu, I knew it must be something simple,I just could not figure it out. Thank you so much for your help and for the explanation. Now, I hope that you do not mind if I ask you for one more thing. I wanted to have one line with the high level qualifier and all the three values but instead I am