Hi,
That made for some interesting reading. I was quite proficient with REXX
and XEDIT before moving to MVS and ISPF. The first MVS I worked with did
not yet have REXX. It was helish doing the transition to ISPF and CLIST.
I still find VM help much better than MVS's. One of the first things that I
Whatever the agenda of the writer, it still is something that is happening,
mostly, I think, because of IBM's SW pricing strategy.
Regards
Jack
On Fri, May 19, 2023, 20:14 Mark Regan wrote:
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> https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesfinancecouncil/2023/03/31/are-banks-breaking-up-with-mainframes/?sh
On Sat, 20 May 2023 08:55:54 +0100, Jack Zukt wrote:
>... It was helish doing the transition to ISPF and CLIST.
>
I started with ISPF/CLIST, berore TSO REXX. I never wrote an ISPF Edit
macro in CLIST. I don't forgive CLIST for its apostrophe catastrophe;
seven consecutive apostrophes were not
Bull.
https://www.flynetviewer.com/blog/20220922/global-mainframe-market-projected-grow-318-billion-2029
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On Saturday, May 20, 2023, 4:03 AM, Jack Zukt wrote:
Whatever the agenda of the writer, it still is something that is happening,
mostly, I think, because
The mainframe is dying crowd has been crowing that idiocy since the 90’s. I’ve
had numerous arguments with them for 30 years. The mainframe is growing not
shrinking. Some opinion piece from a company whose business is dependent on
taking it from the mainframe has a definite financial bias.
Se
>Tracking the years 2022 – 2029
Once you get the data, please publish a report. Forecasts are often
widely wrong.
On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 9:27 AM Bill Johnson
<0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
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> Bull.
> https://www.flynetviewer.com/blog/20220922/global-mainframe-market-pr
Alas, this is patently false. The number of MIPS may be growing, but the
number of boxes, shops, and applications is clearly dropping. When was the
last time a new mainframe customer joined this list? Why are the parking
lot and floor in POK empty all the time?
I sure wish it wasn't so, but all th
Opinions are wrong more often.
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On Saturday, May 20, 2023, 11:03 AM, Mike Schwab
wrote:
>Tracking the years 2022 – 2029
Once you get the data, please publish a report. Forecasts are often
widely wrong.
On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 9:27 AM Bill Johnson
<0047540
Are PC’s dying too? Worldwide PC shipments totaled 55.2 million units in the
first quarter of 2023, a 30% decrease from the first quarter of 2022, according
to preliminary results by Gartner, Inc.Apr 11, 2023
How about laptops?
Laptops (a category that excludes tablets) were the worst hit, markin
Mainframes are used by 71% of Fortune 500 companies. More specifically, these
companies use IBM Z systems.Nov 16, 2022
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On Saturday, May 20, 2023, 11:17 AM, zMan wrote:
Alas, this is patently false. The number of MIPS may be growing, but the
number of boxes, sh
Walmart used to have multiple mainframes. Because the mainframe has evolved,
they need fewer mainframes to perform Walmart’s growing business. Also need
fewer mainframe support personnel. Does that mean the mainframe is not growing?
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On Saturday, May 20, 2023, 1
Used to have multiple mainframes? You might be surprised at the current
count. But like any good company, they are always looking for cost
savings, depending on the risk of course.
On 5/20/2023 9:49 AM, Bill Johnson wrote:
Walmart used to have multiple mainframes. Because the mainframe has e
I’ll guarantee the current count is less than 20 years ago.
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On Saturday, May 20, 2023, 1:17 PM, Tom Brennan
wrote:
Used to have multiple mainframes? You might be surprised at the current
count. But like any good company, they are always looking for cost
sa
Not to mention the consolidation within industries. There are far fewer
airlines than 20 years ago. Far fewer banks too. Fewer retailers.
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On Saturday, May 20, 2023, 1:17 PM, Tom Brennan
wrote:
Used to have multiple mainframes? You might be surprised at the c
All valid points but not addressing:
When was the last time a new mainframe customer joined this list?
Why are the parking lot and floor in POK empty all the time?
And when was the last time you heard about a new, strategic mainframe
application? (Hint: Not even within IBM.)
On Sat, May 20, 2023 a
Bill, you said "bull", which I misunderstood to mean that you disagree. But
the article you posted in support of that opinion (or whatever it is) doesn't
contradict the OP's article.
I'm just guessing here, but maybe you've been arguing with those
mainframe-is-dying folks so long that you no l
I'm not talking about 20 years ago.
You said, "Walmart used to have multiple mainframes"
Implication: They currently have only 1 or zero.
That's not the case, and I think you would be surprised at the count.
On 5/20/2023 10:31 AM, Bill Johnson wrote:
I’ll guarantee the current count is less tha
IBM keeps new customers under wraps. Fewer guys/gals like us are necessary.
Automation is making us obsolete. Each iteration of the mainframe causes the
need for fewer of them. But MIPs are still growing rapidly.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tomgroenfeldt/2022/06/09/finserv-responds-to-ibm-z15-m
Lol, read & comprehend. You forgot this part. Selective comprehension.
“Because the mainframe has evolved, they need fewer mainframes to perform
Walmart’s growing business.”
Insinuating is a fool’s proposition.
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On Saturday, May 20, 2023, 1:51 PM, Tom Brennan
The facts are readily available. Mainframe growth is undeniable. And will be
for decades to come. Will weak banks foolishly buy what airline magazines are
selling? Of course. Bad decisions are made in the business world daily. Ms
Hovsepian should be more concerned with her company (Microfocus pa
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2023 10:36 AM
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> All valid points but not addressing:
> When was the last time a new mainfra
Sounds like the 'Mainframe is Obsolete' gang is back.
More wishful thinking.
On Sat, May 20, 2023, 10:58 AM Bill Johnson <
0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> Opinions are wrong more often.
>
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> On Saturday, May 20, 2023, 11:03 AM, Mike
Uninstall 2 800 mips boxes and replace with 1 2000 mip box - fewer boxes but ...
Lionel B. Dyck <><
Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com
Github: https://github.com/lbdyck
“Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you
are, reputation merely what others think you ar
Of course, it's my fault. We should all listen to you carefully and
ignore the real world. I bet you even won some kind of TV contest. Wow!
On 5/20/2023 11:10 AM, Bill Johnson wrote:
Lol, read & comprehend. You forgot this part. Selective comprehension.
“Because the mainframe has evolved, th
Note that "fewer mainframes" doesn't refer to fewer boxes. It refers to far
fewer SITES. Yes, there's consolidation in some industries; there still
aren't any NEW sites. You assert "IBM keeps new customers under wraps" but
if you talk to IBMers, there aren't any to keep under wraps. More wishful
th
Since when does COBOL have LENGTH OF? I looked for this about 12 years ago and
didn't find it, wrote a tiny and trivial assembler function to do the same
thing. Did I miss it, or is it new since then?
Not that the code has needed any support, but I'm glad that if it ever becomes
an issue, I
Maybe my smiley should have been a sad face ! :(
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>
>
> P.S. Sorry, Dave, zO
Far fewer sites? Where’s your proof? Show some numbers. No new installations?
Name some new companies big enough to compete with the large retailers,
airlines, insurers, health care, and other large mainframe based companies?
71% of Fortune 500 companies use a mainframe.
Fact, mainframe growth
IDK, if POK is shrinking, why is IBM investing 20 billion there?
https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/central-ny/news/2022/10/05/ibm-to-announce-tech-investment-during-biden-visit
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On Saturday, May 20, 2023, 7:04 PM, zMan wrote:
Note that "fewer mainframes" doesn
At least VS COBOL II, as far as I can remember. This is when CICS added the
COBOL2 translate option to allow the LENGTH argument to be omitted, since it
used LENGTH OF under the covers.
Also, it's called a "special register" rather than built-in function; though
now there is also an intrinsic f
Nothing here says it's investing in POK, or in mainframe technology. RIF.
And the tired stats about 71% of Fortune whatever using mainframes may or
may not be current, and don't prove anything about growth. All you have to
do is be awake to see that it's fading. Not fast--nobody thinks it's dead
o
lol, did you read the article? The Hudson Valley and Poughkeepsie are where IBM
has most of their mainframe engineering and manufacturing. Poughkeepsie is in
the Hudson Valley.
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On Saturday, May 20, 2023, 10:58 PM, zMan wrote:
Nothing here says it's investing
Growth isn’t even in doubt. Dude, you didn’t even know Poughkeepsie was in the
Hudson Valley. Where IBM is investing 20 billion.
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On Saturday, May 20, 2023, 10:58 PM, zMan wrote:
Nothing here says it's investing in POK, or in mainframe technology. RIF.
And the
A huge chunk of Fortune 500 companies use mainframe systems, at least 71%.
Credit transactions heavily rely on sophisticated mainframe systems. Globally
90% of credit card transactions happen on mainframe systems. Worldwide,
mainframe systems handle 68% of information technology workloads.Dec 20
Greetings, everything has an ax to grind. Basic PC architecture still doesn’t
have the capability to handle massive amounts of data fast like a new Z does.
Some where behind the cloud is solid ground that stores all that wonderful
data. I tell my children that the world is still waiting for t
On Sat, 20 May 2023 19:09:03 -0400 Phil Smith III wrote:
:>Since when does COBOL have LENGTH OF? I looked for this about 12 years ago
and didn't find it, wrote a tiny and trivial assembler function to do the same
thing. Did I miss it, or is it new since then?
:>Not that the code has needed any
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