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On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 9:49 AM Gadi Ben-Avi wro
On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 06:48:49 +, Gadi Ben-Avi wrote:
>We changed the time on Friday March 24th at 2 am.
>
Do you mean you changed the TZ variable on March 24?
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>On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 04:49:32 +, Gadi Ben-Avi wrote:
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>>When I install a new version of z/OS in Isra
Actually, there was no need to change the TZ variable.
What we did is issue the command SET TIMEZONE=E.03.00 at 2 am on March 24th.
On Sunday (our next regular work day), I changed the CLOCKxx member to reflect
the change, in case we decide to IPL at some time in the future.
Gadi
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On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 21:35:13 + Frank Swarbrick
wrote:
:>Can the MVS CALL macro be used to call a C function with "value" parameters
(rather than reference parameters)?
What does "call by value" look like?
Does the subroutine definition indicate that the parameters are by value? If
not, all
No. Don't confuse semantics with implementation. Call by value means that the
called routine can't change the parameter. Whether the compiler passes the
address or not, it will not allow assignments to a call by value parameter.
Just be glad that you don't have to deal with call by name.
__
Implementation enforces semantics in this case ...
The C implementation (on z/OS at least, but IMO on other platforms as
well) builts a reg1 parameter list
and puts the "value parms" there. With C on z/OS, the reg1 parameter
list resides on the "stack", which
is addressed by reg 13 in the calle
I’ve never been able to get the setfacl command to do what I’m trying to do.
Any assistance would be appreciated. I’m trying to set the default ACL for any
new files or directories created in /foo/bar to be world readable/writable, in
short I’m looking for the permissions set to 666 for those ne
Take as an easy example a C function which gets two double parms and
builts the sum:
double sum (double x, double y)
{
return x + y;
}
there you have register 1 pointing at an address list (which should be
called parameter list in this case);
the first double is at 0(r1), and the second do
I started a longer reply, but got stuck in the weeds.
Can you describe what you're trying to do?
-- R; <><
On 3/27/23 07:10, Mark Jacobs wrote:
I’ve never been able to get the setfacl command to do what I’m trying to do.
Any assistance would be appreciated. I’m trying to set the default ACL
Good morning Peter,
SNOBOL??
Geeze that takes me way back.
I had a smile and had to call some old colleagues.
Thank you!
…….Cameron
OOO – March 28, 29, 30 and 31.
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I want a directory that anyone can write to/read from and for any files or
directories created under it also to be world readable/writable by default.
Mark Jacobs
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Has anybody used a version older than SNOBOL 4?
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There's more than one implementation; they all enforce the
semantics. Again, what call by value is all about is that the caller's variable
in not altered, regardless of how the compiler enforces that. The whole shtick
with R1 and DSA is not part of the semantics.
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+2
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Subject: Re: Stop the ragging on COBOL please [was: RE: ASM call by value]
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2023 23:22:03 -0700
+1
On 3/26/2023 10:55 PM, Farley, Peter wrote:
> I am getting increasingly tired of snide or o
+1 for me as well
In fact, I have written code to read catalog records, in COBOL,
because I needed to solve a problem back in z/OS 1.4 days and I
didn't have time to write the code in ALC/HLASM, and management
would not purchase tools since they were migrating off mainframes
Steve Thomps
Peter! I don't think I've heard from you recently; maybe I just wasn't paying
attention until I read this one.
I myself dislike COBOL for the very simple and personal reason that it's so
WORDY. But even when I had to use it a lot (I was a COBOL developer for about
15 years), I was aware that
I want to create another TARGET and DLIB zone for another level of maintenance.
I am currently, showing "newbie" offshore folks our SMPe environment.
Is there a way to "secure" the newly created TARGET and DLIB zones so they are
not inadvertently updated?
thanks
Bill
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Why not give them read-only access?
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I want to create another TARGET and DLIB zone for another
If you have those zones in their own CSI datasets, you can use your security
system just to allow READ access.
Mark Jacobs
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What is important to me at least: a parameter passing mechanism where
addresses are passed
and the value on the caller's side cannot be altered (because it has
been copied before, like in the
DUMMY argument mechanism of PL/1, for example) it NOT call by value.
You cannot call a true BYVALUE mod
I believe that the problems are:
1. Some people conflate the language and
those who use it.
2. Some people believe that those who
use the language are interchangeable.
3. Some people think of COBOL as not
having changed since CODASYL.
From
Why is it important to you that an address not be passed and why do you believe
that a PL/I dummy variable means that the argument was not passed by value?
Languages specify black box behavior, not how you enforce that behavior.
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+1
About a year or so ago I posted about the number of lines of COBOL code in use
worldwide and stated COBOL was going to be the language of choice for many
decades to come. Estimates say 800 billion lines (and growing) in use today. As
usual, I was attacked for my fact based opinion.
https://w
DCL X BIN FIXED (31);
CALL SUB ((X));
SUB: PROC (P);
DCL P BIN FIXED (31);
END SUB;
The statement CALL SUB ((X));
creates a dummy argument for X (that is, a copy of variable X).
The CALL statement passes THE ADDRESS of that copy to the SUB subroutine.
This is NOT call by value.
The
Counter example:
DCL X BIN FIXED (31);
CALL SUB (X);
SUB: PROC (P);
DCL P BIN FIXED (31) BYVALUE;
END SUB;
This is NOT the same as the example below;
a C caller (and: an ASSEMBLER caller) must do VERY DIFFERENT things to
call the SUB here
and the SUB in the previous example.
From t
Apologies - I should have said SNOBOL4, which is what I used at that time, not
any earlier SNOBOL version.
Peter
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Subject: Re: Stop the ra
The last time we mass-converted and recompiled our COBOL was from OS/VS COBOL
to VS COBOL II in 1992. Since then we've migrated our 7 million lines of COBOL
code...
- 1998 Language Environment
- 2000 COBOL for MVS & VM
- 2003 COBOL for OS/390 & VM
- 2004 COBOL for z/OS & OS/390 3.2
- 2005 3.3
-
Hey everyone - happy Monday!
I am trying to come up with a single SORT step to give me counts and a
sum of a field on subsets of data, and using control breaks. Here is a
sample of my input with lines shortened for the email:
A01DDATE 001D<< Cols 23 to 101 MISCELLANEOUS DATA >>
You are repeating your claim instead of explaining it. I understood, and
disagreed with, what you claimed the first few times. What I am asking for is
the basis of your claim that when the compiler puts the address of a dummy
variable in the plist it is not a call by value.
In fact, your defini
Yeah, #3 is the one I keep coming back to. "COBOL? I took a COBOL class in
1975; how can it compete with a modern language like ?"
The same thing with mainframes; they're from the 1950s, and should long
since have gone to a well-deserved grave. They were great in their day,
but... We had this
All you really need to do a "call by value" in ASM is a special Call
macro (say maybe VCALL) that allocates "hidden" space for a copy of the
variable value, copies the original variable, and somehow passes that to
the called program, and a programming rule that says you only invoke
that partic
I've been resisting the temptation, because it's a repeat, but it's still a
good one:
/* Joke begins */
Jack was a COBOL programmer in the late 1990s who (after years of being treated
as a technological dinosaur by all the UNIX programmers, Client/Server
programmers, website developers etc) was
Hint: A count might be achieved by summing the constant X’0001’ inserted
into qualifying rows. (That is if you don’t want to do it in eg OUTFIL.)
Cheers, Martin
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Billy Ashton
Date: Monday, 27 March 2023 at 16:03
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
There are faster instruction that the older compilers didn't have
available, such as relative addressing instead of base register /
offset.
https://www.ibm.com/products/automatic-binary-optimizer-zos can copy
the load module and replace binary instructions with newer
instructions for testing and im
Bob,
Respectfully, I disagree. It isn't a waste of time or energy to be offended by
patent insults, however slyly delivered or with whatever level of snigger
behind the words.
I did not used to support any of the campaigns against "micro-aggressions" so
popular in recent years on university a
>> What I want to do is produce a single line for each Department (cols 1-3),
>> that tells me the number of articles (Count of all rows with a numeric value
>> in cols 19-21, and an Indicator in col 22 of "D"), and a sum of the Counter
>> (cols 102-110, pic 9), with a grand total. It wi
Oops, "typo". I meant "*k = i + j".
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Steve Smith
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2023 7:34 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: ASM call by value
My C is rusty... I need to review pointer/address-of syntax. The
Billy,
On second thoughts, you don't even need the IFTHEN statement as you can perform
the numeric check in the INCLUDE cond itself.
//SYSINDD *
INCLUDE COND=(19,03,FS,EQ,NUM,AND,
22,01,CH,EQ,C'D')
SORT FIELDS=(01,03,CH,A)
OUTFIL REMOVECC,NODETAIL,
SECTIONS=(01,03,
As a COBOL programmer for almost 27 years I agree that COBOL should not be
dismissed. Though, as someone who has "studied" 30+ other languages I would
say that COBOL is somewhat unique and if it's your first and primary language
it may cause hardships when trying to learn other languages. But
Glad to hear that someone followed all the rules so that,
unannounced COBOL 5+ didn't cause you packed decimal problems
with Truncation and the like. Or same thing with binary.
Steve Thompson
On 3/27/2023 10:31 AM, Schmitt, Michael wrote:
The last time we mass-converted and recompiled our COB
I didn't mention that because I consider it to be self-inflicted.
We believed that we were consistently using correct signs, so we changed from
NUMPROC(MIG) to (PFD) in 2015.
We're STILL running into issues with this, in fact I hit some just last week.
But not enough to give up and downgrade to
So it looks like all I need is the following:
CALL @@GETCB,(3)
which should call the @@GETCB function passing integer 3 by value, returning 0
or 1 in R15 to indicate if the task is running in a CICS environment.
Will give this a shot. Thanks!
Frank
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I'm not sure that's possible.
In any case, I don't know specifically how to do it.
Best practice on Unix is for /tmp to be set as 'chmod 1777'. That way,
anyone can write to /tmp but they can then only delete or rename or move
files which they own. But if you then created a sub-directory like
"And, we're not gaining the full benefit because we can't allow
it to use vector packed instructions until all sites where the
code can run are on compatible hardware."
Welcome to the developer's heart burn.
Steve Thompson
On 3/27/2023 1:43 PM, Schmitt, Michael wrote:
I didn't mention that
All,
We have Tectia ZOS (https://www.ssh.com/products/mainframe-security-software)
product running in our installation and need to setup for allowing public /
private key SFTP transmissions related to EDI application / product used
internally. Tectia Product manuals while quite verbose do not
It's interesting you mentioned /tmp. That's what started this entire exercise.
We migrated our /tmp filesystem from a ZFS to TFS and ran into a problem with
our scheduling product. Turned out that it's documented that the product
doesn't support TFS event triggering. So if batch job put a file i
https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-daylight-saving-time-a85575b650af7fcc419e3fdb1b2090e8
Mostly started Sunday but a last minute delay was issued but mostly
not followed.
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Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all?
I think you are explaining what, in COBOL terms, is CALL BY CONTENT, not CALL
BY VALUE. CALL BY CONTENT seems to be similar (same?) as what Bernd is
describing in PL/I with the placement of parentheses around the argument. CALL
BY CONTENT (in COBOL) creates a "dummy" variable, copies the "cont
As long as you use the correct compiler options with COBOL 5+ to replicate
those of your pre-5 COBOL you were likely OK. In our shop we did not do this
properly (*) and had issues.
(*) I believe the main issue was some pre-v5 options were not originally
implemented in V5, so there was no possi
You're right, and fortunately we were saved from that pain because we
procrastinated so long. And we skipped v5 completely.
We procrastinated because it took me a long time to rewrite our load module
analyzer, as well as other PDS-dependencies.
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I definitely get having enough of it, old/cranky/ornery or not. And you'll
notice (or maybe you didn't) that I said nothing about ragging on COBOL
programmers. There I'm much more inclined to agree with you.
While I'm making disclaimers, I don't need much in the way of respect when
you're dis
Sometimes the worm that the early bird gets is diseased. :-)
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Sent: Monday, March 27, 2023 12:57 PM
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You're right, and for
We did... Had several discussions on TRUNC and various other options in the
compiler/runtime. Plenty of heartburn.
Rex
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In one of those cases we can agree: dumber to provide resentment when that was
the OP's intent. Trolls should simply be ignored.
"Unintentional" is a different case. Once is no problem - even perhaps a few
times. When it becomes more regular or even expected is when it becomes
unacceptable,
Is it OK to rag on languages with no redeeming qualities?
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Maybe . . . 😊
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Schmitt, Michael
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2023 3:36 PM
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Is it OK to rag on languages with no redeeming qualities?
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Now we get to argue over whether JCL is a language! (Despite the "L" in the
name, I'm 100% sure there are folks who will argue that it is not, just as
there are folks who argue that HTML isn't a language. I'm not one of them,
don't throw things at me!)
On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 3:43 PM Farley, Peter
https://jol.oscar-jol.com/about-jol JCL On Line
On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 2:43 PM Farley, Peter
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> Maybe . . . 😊
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Using my most basic definition of a computer language - it's a list of commands
that can be saved to run it multiple times just by invoking the list name, then
both JCL and CLIST are languages (as is HTML), and both have redeeming
qualities. How many of you (hypothetically) are running JCL "dec
Sorry, I'm going to "rag" on a language... :-) Admittedly I know next to
nothing about it. My exposure to it consists of reading an article where
somebody took a 14 line JCL job and converted it to JOL and the JOL code ended
up somewhere around 70+ lines plus comments to explain what the prog
I fine it interesting that a person by the name of Rex is bashing
CLIST. Yep
And yes, I do write JCL from scratch (answer the next post)
because I right now, I'm working on migration code and need
examples of certain constructs so I can make sure the migration
code handles it correctly. N
Oh, calling it out is fine. I was talking only about resenting it, which harms
you and does no balancing benefit. You can do the one without the other. Me,
I'm more likely to ignore it, or at least to ignore it longer, but that's a
personal choice.
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Steve, no, no, no, no. I'm not bashing Rexx or CLISTS or JCL. I'm trying to
do just the opposite. Another poster (read:Michael) was (I'm presuming
tongue-in-cheek) bashing CLISTs and I came to CLIST's defense by pointing out
that it still does what it was intended to do, and it's probably not
Steve Thompson wrote, in part:
>Oh, I haven't had to deal with it for a while, but as I recall
>there is a function that CLIST can do that REXX couldn't (well
>back in the 1990s). I wonder if that is still true.
Perhaps easily parsing a typical TSO command:
verb arg1(value1) arg2(value2a,value2b)
I've found that GIMSMP opens the datasets in UPDATE mode, so the user will
still need UPDATE or higher access. READ access fails when the program starts.
I've growled that GIMSMP needs to open in READ mode, then close/open in the
desired UPDATE mode if needed.
Matthew
On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 13:5
Chiming in here because of the overwhelming popular demand for my unsolicited
opinions: I ~mostly~ agree with your definition of "programming language", but
I usually add that it has to have at least some primitive sort of if-then
construction. JCL didn't use to make the grade, but it does now.
CLIST has nested variables, REXX doesn't. And CLIST has keyword style parms,
while REXX arguments are strictly positional. And, in REXX you can't turn off
first level substitution of &Variables when sending commands to ISREDIT, which
makes it tricky to do Edit macros, such as "change all &TEMPDS
Another stupid SMPe question.
Currently, we have one CSI with one target and one dlib. (I inherited this). I
want to setup at least another target and dlib zones for a "before" maintenance
level.
Might you ever consider creating a whole new csi for that or just as normal
have different zones und
Ok, I'll ask: What ~is~ JOL? Never heard of it.
I'm repeatedly surprised at the number of mainframers who never learned JCL
past the ability to modify a job by replacing a DSN or two. Yet somehow they
manage to function, sometimes by asking someone else to help fix their JCL. A
new employer
It's a scripting language that originally built JCL but apparently has been
enhanced to actually "do" JCL functions like dynamically allocating datasets
and running jobs.
Another poster supplied the following URL.
https://jol.oscar-jol.com/
Rex
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Three things:
1) As Phil says, more-or-less automatic parsing of keyword and positional
arguments. I get around that in REXX by using a standard opening paragraph
that for most purposes works just fine with a minimum of customization. But
mostly I prefer to use one-word arguments without any par
That's why I said "most basic". :-) And if you want to get pedantic, COND=
logic (as backwards as it started out, everybody remember "if it's true you're
through"?) was a REALLY primitive if/then construct.
Rex
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Michael Schmitt wrote, in part:
>REXX is so much better but I want to ask Mike Cowlishaw
>what he was thinking in making uninitialized variables
>default to their own name.
While as a programmer I agree with you, I'm pretty sure I know the answer:
Rexx was designed to be usable by non-programmers
JCL COND is similar to an assembler branch, skip if true.
On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 5:01 PM Pommier, Rex wrote:
>
> That's why I said "most basic". :-) And if you want to get pedantic, COND=
> logic (as backwards as it started out, everybody remember "if it's true
> you're through"?) was a REAL
Bill,
I've done both and for myself personally, I found it easier to have them
completely separate. One reason for this is that I can easily clone my system
and SMP/E environment onto a separate set of volumes and play with it. If I
completely hork up the install I can just restore the volume
Well, I'm a programmer, and I believe that the behavior of uninitialized
variables makes pefect sense when using REXX as a CMS scripting language. The
things that I would change are:
1. Not matching the operand of an end against the label of a DO.
and, no, matching it against the control va
Bob Bridges wrote, in part:
>2) The ability to interact live with subsystems. In CLIST I can start an>
FTP session and interact with it, grabbing FTP's responses and deciding on>
the fly what command to issue next. In REXX I have to queue up an entire>
session, then call FTP and decide afterward
Which without going into macros is about as close to IF/THEN as you are going
to find in assembler, not? And I don't think anybody on here (at least in
their right mind) would argue that assembler is not a programming language. :-)
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Right, I forgot about that. Gotta give you that one.
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have essentially been lying to them their whole lives. We represent the world
as this wonderful place
There is a REXX function for parsing;it's either XPARSE or XPROC.
Yes, REXX isn't as well integrated with the TSO stack as XLIST is.
What happens if you do CHAROUT with no terminating LF or NL?
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Fr
That's disappointing. It's not being done now, but another good way to handle
that problem is to enhance the GIM.* Facility class profiles to include zone
support for commands. User can run certain zone altering SMP/e commands against
TZONE1, but not TZONE2. Something like that.
Mark Jacobs
On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 16:43:46 -0500, Bill Giannelli
wrote:
>Another stupid SMPe question.
>Currently, we have one CSI with one target and one dlib. (I inherited this). I
>want to setup at least another target and dlib zones for a "before"
>maintenance level.
>Might you ever consider creating a
I prefer a shared global zone, but that's problematical if you have to rework
sysmods.
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Bill Giannelli [billgianne...@gma
A subcommand environment is certainly important, but it doesn't provide an
eauivalent to DATA/DATA PROMPT.
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Phil Smith II
Actually, REXX does have nested variables; that's one of the things that you
can doo with the VALUE() BIF.
There's no such thing as an &variable in REXX. As for turning off substitution
of variables, if you want a constant than use a constant, as in SAY 'foo='foo
address isredit 'change all' te
For that matter, there were a couple of things that EXEC had but EXEC2 didn't.
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Pommier, Rex [rpomm...@sfgmembers.com]
Sen
What I hate are people who take one of my jobs, modify it, and bomplain about
it when their changes don't work' "Which part of as-is don't you understand?"
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Remember, the early worm gets the bird.
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T
AIF is your friend. That's especially true if you distribute source.
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Steve Thompson [ste...@wkyr.net]
Sent: Monday, March
I think it was flippant Edsger W. Dijkstra quote:
“The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching should,
therefore, be regarded as a criminal offense.”
I use programming languages that I don't like all the time. C, in
particular, I dislike a lot. That doesn't mean they're not useful.
On 27/3/23 22:07, Bill Johnson wrote:
+1
About a year or so ago I posted about the number of lines of COBOL code in use
worldwide and stated COBOL was going to be the language of choice for many
decades to come. Estimates say 800 billion lines (and growing) in use today. As
usual, I was attack
You said internet banking was going to destroy large banks. How’s that working
out?
Microfocus COBOL isn’t regular COBOL. And is a tiny fraction of the COBOL
market.
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On Monday, March 27, 2023, 11:26 PM, David Crayford wrote:
On 27/3/23 22:07, Bill Johnson wro
On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 at 23:22, David Crayford wrote:
>
> I think it was flippant Edsger W. Dijkstra quote:
>
> “The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching should,
> therefore, be regarded as a criminal offense.”
Dijkstra wasn't hot on a lot of languages:
"If Fortran has been called an
During my early training we were sent to learn Michael Jackson structured
programming. MJ quotes Dijkstra a lot, however, I didn't realise that he
was a PL/I hater. That was the first language I learned and still think it
was a masterpiece. I encountered COBOL after I left IBM and it happened to
be
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