Re: ind$file - omvs copy equivalent

2019-05-09 Thread Don Poitras
In article <981761000637.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu> you wrote: > On Wed, 8 May 2019 20:40:12 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: > >Yes, but you can FTP to an MVS file, which you can allocate with attributes. > > > "MVS file"? Do you mean a data set, or as TSO overloads the term, a DDNA

Re: COPYING PDS AND PDSE

2019-05-09 Thread esmie moo
Thanks Lizette.  I will check it out. On Tuesday, May 7, 2019, 2:08:24 p.m. EDT, Lizette Koehler wrote: Remember, that IEBCOPY has lots of examples and details on IBM.COM https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.3.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r3.idau100/iebcopy.htm Unless specified

Re: Can backup mechanisms be used to steal RACF database? was Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-09 Thread Peter Vander Woude
On Tue, 7 May 2019 09:26:58 -0300, Clark Morris wrote: >Could someone use DF/DSS, DF/HSM, FDR or FDR/ABR to copy the database >and then download the dump of the database? > >Clark Morris >> Clark, If they have read access to the database, yes. That's what happened in the Swedish bank hack, b

Re: COPYING PDS AND PDSE

2019-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
The examples don't address the question. However, elsewhere there is a warning not to use COPY for program objects. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of esmie moo <012780d99c7b-dm

Re: Can backup mechanisms be used to steal RACF database? was Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-09 Thread Mike Schwab
If you can transfer the backup file (real or virtual tape) to another system, then you can use the admin authorization to restore any or all files in the backup file. Just like using a rescue system to restore at a DR site. On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 8:56 AM Peter Vander Woude wrote: > > On Tue, 7 M

Re: ind$file - omvs copy equivalent

2019-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
Not quite; the binary option is relevant to step 1. I was assuming just doing a binary FTP to an MVS datset and using that for the RECEIVE, but if you insist on both an MVS data set and an OMVS file, then the binary goes on step 11 and the attibue goes on step 2. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz ht

z/OS SMTP Question

2019-05-09 Thread Lionel B Dyck
I had an XMITIP user send me a report of a failure and I need the help of this group as it involves NJE and z/VM. Their configuration is they run XMITIP on z/OS, which generates the SMTP email as a sysout file in the JES2 spool with a destination of a z/VM node and user of the SMTP server on z/

Re: ind$file - omvs copy equivalent

2019-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
I don't know of any TSO documentation that uses the term "dataset" for a ddname. TSO does use both "DATASET" and "DSNAME" as keywords for the dataset name, but it generally uses "FILE" as the keyword for a ddname. If the OP really wants to first FTP to an OMVS file and then copy it to an MVS da

Re: COPYING PDS AND PDSE

2019-05-09 Thread Mike Schwab
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.3.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r3.idau100/u1061.htm Program objects are created automatically when load modules are copied into a PDSE. Likewise, program objects are automatically converted back to load modules when they are copied into a partitioned data

Re: z/OS SMTP Question

2019-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
When you write "z/VM", do you mean RSCS or the z/VM SMTP? IAC, you might consider adding DCB options to XMITIP to control the format of the SPOOL file. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on beha

Re: z/OS SMTP Question

2019-05-09 Thread Lionel B Dyck
Correct - RSCS on the z/VM side. I have asked for error messages (mid last week) and not seen those yet. XMITIP dynamically determines the sysout dcb for the spool file based on the data being included in the generated email. This is the 1st time I've heard of this issue in almost 30 years of XMI

Re: LU name and RACF ID is SMF records

2019-05-09 Thread Wolfgang Fritz
Hi Jorge you will find the smf defintion TCP/IP Books, use subtype 20 or 21 to get your information. TN3270E Telnet server SNA session initiation record (subtype 20) TN3270E Telnet server SNA session termination record (subtype 21) if you need more help send me an mail on wolfgang.fr...@wfs-gm

Re: COPYING PDS AND PDSE

2019-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
The paragraph you quoted says nothing about whether you can use COPYMOD to copy a program object from one PDSE o another. > "COPYGRP is recommended for PDS Load Modules or PDSE Program Objects to > include any aliases that may be present." The same document says "When the INDD and OUTDD data set

Re: z/OS SMTP Question

2019-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
Don't you MIME encode the dataset attached to the e-mail? Or are you saying that the user have VB message text along with the file to be transmitted? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf

Re: z/OS SMTP Question

2019-05-09 Thread Lionel B Dyck
The data may be part of the message or part of a mime attachment Lionel B. Dyck < Website: http://www.lbdsoftware.com "Worry more about your character than your reputation.  Character is what you are, reputation merely what others think you are." - John Wooden -Original Message- From: I

Re: LU name and RACF ID is SMF records

2019-05-09 Thread Wolfgang Fritz
Hi Jorge in tcpip Profile add following statements to activate smf records in CS SMFCONFIG; was SMFPARMS statementmnt TYPE119 FTPCLIENT IFSTATISTICS IPSECURITY PORTSTATISTICS TCPINIT TCPSTACK TCPIPSTATISTICS TCPTERM TN3270CLIENT UDPTERM Am 08.05.2019 um 13:01 schrieb Wol

Re: Can backup mechanisms be used to steal RACF database? was Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-09 Thread Charles Mills
No. Read the original thread here. It was a vulnerability in a Web server. Hacking the RACF database was done well after the fact, by investigators. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter Vander Woude Sent:

Re: z/OS SMTP Question

2019-05-09 Thread Lionel B Dyck
More information and clarification. The smtp email spool file is being received by RSCS and passed to the SMTP server on z/VM which is delivering the email BUT the text attachment is being truncated to 80 bytes instead of the original 132. Thus it would seem that somehow either RSCS or the z/VM S

Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-09 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
Before 370 virtual memory was announced, a copy of internal document leaked to industry magazine. There was then a "Pentagon Papers" like investigation to find the leaker. Also all company copiers were retrofitted that placed a machine identification on all copied pages. Then for the "Future System

Re: Can backup mechanisms be used to steal RACF database? was Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-09 Thread Charles Mills
To answer the OP question, Yes, assuming - The perp has the ability to run some sort of volume backup, such as authority to the volume and to run a volume backup program. - The ability to copy the backup off of the system, such as with FTP, access to a physical tape drive, or downloading to a PC a

Re: Can backup mechanisms be used to steal RACF database? was Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-09 Thread Bob Bridges
I believe Peter's right. The hackers got a stolen ID with some RACF power, by means not positively identified but social engineering is as likely as any other hypothesis. (I read ~speculation~ about an HTTP vulnerability, but the forensic investigators never established how the initial breakin

Re: Can backup mechanisms be used to steal RACF database? was Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-09 Thread Bill Johnson
All of the security datasets are locked down to all but a select few. It would be next to impossible for someone not considered highly trustworthy to do anything with them. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Thursday, May 9, 2019, 1:16 PM, Charles Mills wrote: To answer the OP question, Yes

Re: Can backup mechanisms be used to steal RACF database? was Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-09 Thread Charles Mills
I have read the entire, very thorough police report, as has Chad R. Phil Young has done considerable research on this. There were two parts to it. Svartholm somehow got the MPAA lawyer's user login for the Infotorg legal database, hosted on USS. (The "somehow" may be known but I do not know or

Re: Can backup mechanisms be used to steal RACF database? was Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-09 Thread Charles Mills
How about a volume backup? How about from a sandbox LPAR that shares DASD? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 10:32 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Can backup

Re: Assembly JCL for tpx 5.4

2019-05-09 Thread Peter
We have some user exits used for TPX 5.2 and unfortunately we don't know where the source codes are located. Is it ok to just copy over to 5.4 ? On Fri, 3 May, 2019, 3:09 AM Mark Zelden, wrote: > On Thu, 2 May 2019 15:44:14 -0500, Michael Cleary < > michaeljosephcle...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >If

Re: Can backup mechanisms be used to steal RACF database? was Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
> And yes, it was a z/OS vulnerability. Are you saying that Bob Bridges was wrong when he wrote "The stolen ID also had read access to the RACF database.."? It's not a vulnerability of the lock when you leave your key on the porch for anyone to use. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu

Re: Assembly JCL for tpx 5.4

2019-05-09 Thread Jousma, David
Probably not a good idea. Do you know if they were smpe installed? There could be a copy in your SMPPTS, or SMPSTS datasets? Otherwise, try it, but I'd expect unexpected results. _ Dave Jousma

Re: Assembly JCL for tpx 5.4

2019-05-09 Thread Peter
It's not part of smpe.. Just assembly and Linkedit.. On Thu, 9 May, 2019, 10:35 PM Jousma, David, < 01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Probably not a good idea. Do you know if they were smpe installed? There > could be a copy in your SMPPTS, or SMPSTS datasets? Otherwi

Re: Can backup mechanisms be used to steal RACF database? was Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-09 Thread Charles Mills
Yes, that assertion is incorrect. Read my post. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 11:29 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Can backup mechanisms be used to ste

Re: Assembly JCL for tpx 5.4

2019-05-09 Thread PINION, RICHARD W.
If you really want/need them, search for a reverse assembler. I think there is one on the CBT tape. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Peter Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 2:43 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Assembly JCL for tpx 5.4 [External

Re: Assembly JCL for tpx 5.4

2019-05-09 Thread Mark Jacobs
And there's one in the HLA Toolkit if you're licensed for it. Mark Jacobs Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. GPG Public Key - https://api.protonmail.ch/pks/lookup?op=get&search=markjac...@protonmail.com ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Thursday, May 9, 2019 2:47 PM, PINION,

Re: Assembly JCL for tpx 5.4

2019-05-09 Thread Tom Brennan
"I'd expect unexpected results" Wait a second... I'm in a loop with that statement :) My first thought was a disassembler if this is something pretty small, and then try to pick out any assembled TPX macros and control block references since I think those would be the most likely changes betwe

Re: Can backup mechanisms be used to steal RACF database? was Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-09 Thread Bill Johnson
5 LPARS, shared DASD, same rules for each LPAR. Full volume backups were controlled by 1 DASD Admin.(now deceased) I no longer work there. As the installer of the security product, TSS, even I had very limited access to the security datasets. If hacking the mainframe was easy, or even slightly b

Re: Can backup mechanisms be used to steal RACF database? was Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-09 Thread John McKown
On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 2:45 PM Bill Johnson < 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > 5 LPARS, shared DASD, same rules for each LPAR. Full volume backups were > controlled by 1 DASD Admin.(now deceased) I no longer work there. As the > installer of the security product, TSS, even

Re: z/OS SMTP Question

2019-05-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 9 May 2019 10:45:37 -0500, Lionel B Dyck wrote: >More information and clarification. > >The smtp email spool file is being received by RSCS and passed to the SMTP >server on z/VM which is delivering the email BUT the text attachment is >being truncated to 80 bytes instead of the original 1

Re: z/OS SMTP Question - solved

2019-05-09 Thread Lionel B Dyck
The issue seems to be that the z/VM RSCS, or the SMTP server, was taking the data and truncating it to 80 bytes. I had the site change the secure_smtp setting in the XMITIPCU configuration file from null to 1. This has nothing to do with security but SMTP on z/OS would only validate the sending

Re: Assembly JCL for tpx 5.4

2019-05-09 Thread Mark Zelden
What I said below about "good installation documentation" applies. Usermod or not in the previous install, that's so important. Too bad more and more I see people with the "just install and get it working" mentality and they don't document anything and put things in their own personal librarie

Re: Can backup mechanisms be used to steal RACF database? was Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-09 Thread Lou Losee
What causes IBM integrity (code-based) APARs to be generated? Surely not all of them are found internally. The thing is, with the way integrity APARs are handled the source of the problem is never disclosed. Many are, I believe, zero-days, that would cause a hack if found by the wrong person. L

Re: z/OS SMTP Question - solved

2019-05-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 9 May 2019 15:08:28 -0500, Lionel B Dyck wrote: >The issue seems to be that the z/VM RSCS, or the SMTP server, was taking the >data and truncating it to 80 bytes. > >I had the site change the secure_smtp setting in the XMITIPCU configuration >file from null to 1. This has nothing to do w

Re: Can backup mechanisms be used to steal RACF database? was Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
Any customer who discovers a security bug can report it. BTDT,GTTS (just the tee shirt, no scars.) -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Lou Losee Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 4:21 PM

Re: Assembly JCL for tpx 5.4

2019-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
Configuration control is easier if everything in a target library gets there through SMP. IMHO documentation should precede implementation, with n immediate update if anything changes. I've heard that there's a round tuit shortage. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Re: Can backup mechanisms be used to steal RACF database? was Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
> Yes, that assertion is incorrect. Read my post. The only thing that I see that is relevant is where you quoted "There are also solid indications that they downloaded the RACF database (about 28MB", which certainly seems consistent with Bob's claim. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gm

Re: Assembly JCL for tpx 5.4

2019-05-09 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
I'm a strong proponent of installing things like this as SMPE usermods. SMPE is good at preserving both source and SYSLIB concatenations. Individuals come and go, but SMPE zones are usually easier to identify, back up, and restore than random user data sets. I've heard of (and experienced) cases

Re: Can backup mechanisms be used to steal RACF database? was Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-09 Thread Bob Bridges
No, ~I~ quoted "there are solid indications" etc. Mr Mills asserts that they did not, which is contrary to my own reading but at this remove perhaps it doesn't matter. Whatever actually happened at Logica, the important point is that with read access a hacker would be able to do so, a situation m

Re: Can backup mechanisms be used to steal RACF database? was Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-09 Thread ITschak Mugzach
I found many security and system programmers assuming that in order to manage security, one need access to the security database.I many assessments I was able to copy the file with no problem. While this assumption is completely untrue, many of you make use of (at least one) racf administration pro

Re: Can backup mechanisms be used to steal RACF database? was Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-09 Thread Charles Mills
No argument there! :-) Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 9:24 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Can backup mechanisms be used to steal RACF database? was Re: mai