Re: VSE timeline [was: RE: VSAM usage for ancient disk models]

2018-01-17 Thread Tony Thigpen
r VM. HTH Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 12:33 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: VSAM usage for ancient disk models Of course I remember the 3310,

Re: VSE timeline [was: RE: VSAM usage for ancient disk models]

2018-01-17 Thread Edward Gould
> On Jan 17, 2018, at 12:16 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 > wrote: > > On this Wikipedia page, notes #44 and #45 lead to IBM z/VSE history pages > that may tell you what you want to know. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_IBM_mainframe_operating_systems#DOS/VS > >

Re: VSE timeline [was: RE: VSAM usage for ancient disk models]

2018-01-17 Thread Barry Merrill
DU Subject: Re: VSE timeline [was: RE: VSAM usage for ancient disk models] I remember the 3310. IBM called them "piccolo" drives because of the noise the actuators made. We received a bunch of these as replacements for faulty 3370s. That was back in 1981 when I was working at ICI Petr

Re: VSE timeline [was: RE: VSAM usage for ancient disk models]

2018-01-17 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
ng system using FCOPY or DDR. > > > Michel Beaulieu > > |*| > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > of Farley, Peter x23353 > Sent: January 17, 2018 1:16 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: VSE timeline [was: RE:

Re: VSE timeline [was: RE: VSAM usage for ancient disk models]

2018-01-17 Thread Michel Beaulieu
: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: VSE timeline [was: RE: VSAM usage for ancient disk models] On this Wikipedia page, notes #44 and #45 lead to IBM z/VSE history pages that may tell you what you want to know. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_IBM_mainframe_operating_systems#DOS/VS 1980&#

Re: VSE timeline [was: RE: VSAM usage for ancient disk models]

2018-01-17 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
;. Likewise with VM/SE and VM/BSE. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > of Farley, Peter x23353 > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 1:16 PM > To

Re: VSE timeline [was: RE: VSAM usage for ancient disk models]

2018-01-17 Thread Seymour J Metz
, Peter x23353 Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 1:16 PM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: VSE timeline [was: RE: VSAM usage for ancient disk models] On this Wikipedia page, notes #44 and #45 lead to IBM z/VSE history pages that may tell you what you want to know. https://secure-web.cisc

VSE timeline [was: RE: VSAM usage for ancient disk models]

2018-01-17 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
, January 17, 2018 12:33 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: VSAM usage for ancient disk models Of course I remember the 3310, although I never used one. But your post reminds me of a question. Does anybody have a VSE timeline from the original DOS/VSE and ECPS:VSE that includes all of the packag

Re: VSAM usage for ancient disk models

2018-01-17 Thread Seymour J Metz
@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: VSAM usage for ancient disk models > On Jan 16, 2018, at 5:06 PM, Alan Young wrote: > > Not sure how far you want to go back, but take a look at MVS/DFP V3R3 Device > Support Reference on > http://secure-web.cisco.com/1uUD1rtAnzS9A_dPmffU

Re: VSAM usage for ancient disk models

2018-01-17 Thread Seymour J Metz
BM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: VSAM usage for ancient disk models Current (for us 2.1) z/OS HCD still shows 3375 as a valid DASD device type. IIRC 3375 was emulated CKD on FBA 3370 HDA's. I also think 3375s were used as the storage for the embedded 43X1's used as processor

Re: VSAM usage for ancient disk models

2018-01-17 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
ith SSX/VSE to set up our product for menu-driven installation on one of those systems. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Dana Mitchell Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 9:47 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Su

Re: VSAM usage for ancient disk models

2018-01-17 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
rs on 3090s. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2018.html#41 VSAM usage for ancient disk models FEs had bootstrap service process ... starting with incrementally scoping for dignoses for failed component. 3081 had circuits enclosed in TCMs ... no longer capable of scoping. Went to "service processor

Re: VSAM usage for ancient disk models

2018-01-17 Thread Dana Mitchell
Current (for us 2.1) z/OS HCD still shows 3375 as a valid DASD device type. IIRC 3375 was emulated CKD on FBA 3370 HDA's. I also think 3375s were used as the storage for the embedded 43X1's used as processor controllers on 3090s. Dana --

Re: VSAM usage for ancient disk models

2018-01-16 Thread Edward Gould
> On Jan 16, 2018, at 11:51 PM, Alan Young wrote: > > Ed, > > Are you perhaps thinking of the 3370? Ed Thelen's product announcement > archive for the 3370 indicates support on DOS/VSE and VM 370. The 3375 > archived announcement indicates support by DOS/VSE, OS/VS1, VM370 and MVS and > all p

Re: VSAM usage for ancient disk models

2018-01-16 Thread Alan Young
-Original Message- >From: Edward Gould >Sent: Jan 16, 2018 6:43 PM >To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >Subject: Re: VSAM usage for ancient disk models > >> On Jan 16, 2018, at 5:06 PM, Alan Young wrote: >> >> Not sure how far you want to go back, but t

Re: VSAM usage for ancient disk models

2018-01-16 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
00ac4b1d56b3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu (David Purdy) writes: > I honestly cannot remember MVS *EVER* supporting 3375’s DOS/VSE and VM > AFAIK are the only OS’s. Can someone correct me please ? large corporations started ordering hundreds of vm/4300s at a time for placing out in departmenta

Re: VSAM usage for ancient disk models

2018-01-16 Thread David Purdy
I supported 3375s in the early 1980s on native MVS on a 4341 of some kind. Think it was MVS/XA. We didn't migrate to ESA until late 80s. If memory serves... David -Original Message- From: Edward Gould To: IBM-MAIN Sent: Tue, Jan 16, 2018 8:43 pm Subject: Re: VSAM usag

Re: VSAM usage for ancient disk models

2018-01-16 Thread Edward Gould
> On Jan 16, 2018, at 5:06 PM, Alan Young wrote: > > Not sure how far you want to go back, but take a look at MVS/DFP V3R3 Device > Support Reference on > http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/library > . Section 4.9

Re: VSAM usage for ancient disk models

2018-01-16 Thread R.S.
.9?DT=19930625100219 Alan -Original Message- From: "R.S." Sent: Jan 16, 2018 3:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: VSAM usage for ancient disk models I'm looking for tables "VSAM usage of space for selected devices", however historical ones. Currently it&#x

Re: VSAM usage for ancient disk models

2018-01-16 Thread Alan Young
to the section is http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/IGG3H101/4.9?DT=19930625100219 Alan -Original Message- >From: "R.S." >Sent: Jan 16, 2018 3:20 PM >To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >Subject: VSAM usage for ancient disk models > >I'

Re: VSAM usage for ancient disk models

2018-01-16 Thread Sri h Kolusu
interval sizes for the IBM 2314,3330,3340 and 3350 direct-access devices, together with the resulting track utilization (all numbers are K-Bytes)" Hope that is what you are looking for Thanks, Kolusu From: "R.S." To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 01/16/2018 03:2

VSAM usage for ancient disk models

2018-01-16 Thread R.S.
I'm looking for tables "VSAM usage of space for selected devices", however historical ones. Currently it's described in Appendix of DFSMS Macro Instructions for Data Sets, but only three most current devive geometries are described here - 3380, 3390 and 9345. I would like to have such tables for