You said: "The 3370s had a manufacturing fault that caused HDA failures. A good friend was an IBM CE and he told me that it was caused by contaminated lubricant."
In about 1975, I recall Roger Buchanan, an IBM CE originally from Australia, described an IBM Disk Error problem he had just recently resolved, and I think it was with the first European delivery of 3330s. Apparently the new drives had been stored in several warehouses worldwide, including one in Germany, awaiting the GA for shipment, and when those first shipments went out, one-half of all of the European-stored drives failed, with no other failures reported from any other warehouse. Fortunately, IBM kept meticulous records of exactly where the drives had been stored, so it only took a few days of failures to determine that all of the failed drives had been stored on the perimeter of the room, and there were no failures for the interior stored devices. By then, all of the failed devices had been replaced from other warehouses. It took somewhat longer to determine the actual cause. The walls of the storage room had been painted in a silicon-based paint, and that silicon had leeched (?) into the silicon substrate of those devices near the silicon wall (platters or electronics??). Barry Merrilly yours, Herbert W. Barry Merrill, PhD President-Programmer Merrill Consultants MXG Software 10717 Cromwell Drive technical questions: supp...@mxg.com Dallas, TX 75229 http://www.mxg.com admin questions: ad...@mxg.com tel: 214 351 1966 fax: 214 350 3694 -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Wayne Bickerdike Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 5:47 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: VSE timeline [was: RE: VSAM usage for ancient disk models] I remember the 3310. IBM called them "piccolo" drives because of the noise the actuators made. We received a bunch of these as replacements for faulty 3370s. That was back in 1981 when I was working at ICI Petrochemicals in the UK. The 3370s had a manufacturing fault that caused HDA failures. A good friend was an IBM CE and he told me that it was caused by contaminated lubricant. It only affected drives manufactured at the plant in Germany. US drives weren't affected. That was my first foray into DOS/VSE and FBA architecture. We were running on a 4331 box, it was tiny and we ran ADABAS and CICS with a bunch of batch programs that built a bill of materials reporting system. Batch runs took 24 + hours and the particular technique we used to drive the totals up the hierarchy destroyed those 3370s. (Lots of VSAM inserts and CI/CA splits). We optimised the solution by using ADABAS which did work better than VSAM at the time. Pretty sure that VSE/AF was a release too. On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 5:28 AM, Seymour J Metz <sme...@gmu.edu> wrote: > Thanks. I was really hoping for something that listed all of the > players, with dates. > > VSE/AF was an add-on DOS/VSE package, just as MVS/SE was an add-on, > but I don't recall anybody saying "I'm running OS/VS2 R3.7 with > MVS/SE" or "I'm running OS/VS2 R3.8 with MVS/SE" instead of the > shorter "I'm running MVS/SE" or "I'm running MVS/SE2". Likewise with VM/SE > and VM/BSE. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > ________________________________________ > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on > behalf of Farley, Peter x23353 <peter.far...@broadridge.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 1:16 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu > Subject: VSE timeline [was: RE: VSAM usage for ancient disk models] > > On this Wikipedia page, notes #44 and #45 lead to IBM z/VSE history > pages that may tell you what you want to know. > > https://secure-web.cisco.com/1Hxni8z1xE6vDmveRBopjI3Vzv4qg9 > VQ9eZGrH7t2axlv2TXRuKnDcewtJL-hrpi8jwK3-GxrA- > 2iIMOvZDRBBfUNxKH2YcS14FFnmmhJH8BilUDJ1_2fI_5ME- > 1hcCiY4dtKk8BTHa4OU6MfD7om1snenBWocvMGhl9GvOLU0_SOumoC5h-SVpLXZF_fC_ > aZLNzcOoQkWOHCDg6EhiG_kuy613a7e10fUIKzh-OapHJjXeZgVzPmkE1JIrW3eqtWAaxH > eHFBht9WMWu5HxrN0rT_G2I-jEIzGTcNKtmOQfe1k--Q0UIKlGX2P1YoZJPSn6SKoEFiqv > 9AD qG0PB3IvtsFsaIpaeCFoMMwXzsHPbebyeNDS7pKAq0_bLLcvaHD8dg6P2PU_ > hyO9MaXHylVHJzPZYhoUg3Uqk6r93PuIyH8nr2wio5V00QSoeYBZEzu/ > https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FHistory_of_IBM_ > mainframe_operating_systems#DOS/VS > > 1980's VSE history: https://secure-web.cisco.com/ > 1mhCrVwIL6XNHIiS5zTkFhpBby8bw8liiRCkscsxbarX123Dg5jOSVKmKsH7 > ad9EfIz7qIm2VVjm9Z7niqX7VrOYwox2dnKpLjSm1a4bqN28BrF0nUCxpLYq > EgyI9sWzR8x15GQT8mhNnr7iBxhHfQHD3hNKOYFygabIef1J9hcGY0ePFJPB > RCtLVtsFarc387G5z2gY2lEqN7e-2ZYPN7cE2fKe6SWiDdlMkdc6vKiZYN > dLbLrWHW0yzZ8YEjssi7Ek0bjZJYXIpSG6BW49F2LPvg9d6OTqa5tfdhgYcB > k7YHuD19oVd02c1GoZe_u-XB1Az7by4zHbAgG4hyQrDiY9- > mDz0RVkx2NKR7y4eptT43nCdIeuq0Jm0_sf_7B4A7TWWAR3E2Wbb7VuUC9b9O7KKRy > J1kve_TXVodmW6kovwAgZ_pDwmDDagNzWKgbKd/https%3A%2F% > 2Fwww-03.ibm.com%2Fsystems%2Fz%2Fos%2Fzvse%2Fabout%2Fhistory1980s.html > > 1990's VSE history: https://secure-web.cisco.com/ > 1db5triiP9Ds00aTgPbxRFOmDUxC7BcMOtYsni3chH_xTYDM6Oh7- > 470gMWwkxX0MAM_Z3kJtt_3TMfyV6LtgguCau43dVKqo5c15wNS4 > Phz8J5hGLYOCphPa6Yr6yBekoeDHRBqKyuLjryQPwQ7-LMXfAUj- > IIph9kHUEeQtMM53xEVXtGRrZQCR4Z4bRcNTzPq3PJ1wJTD_ > jc0fbrg6zhbAs1sc5upKKbHaexk9SjlBDmUOMapCcAK9nc2WDoKgNac7IGwu > nTJx6TuB9GVM5Tr-Uxgor1Q-TNGIxBowgGDj44QcnDLn6360t_ > upTuYGF6x4lGqh3it7M0umpzf5gNvL7XuzX5mJTF1UrF3mhT7Xv8HTiCcD6S > nD4OdW0lMJjbccB91nrGhca_P-p8cxuB8Meuwfjd1MFNI9E3PhZWDyBx > rIDst-2WlYNpXNl-pn/https%3A%2F%2Fwww-03.ibm.com%2Fsystems% > 2Fz%2Fos%2Fzvse%2Fabout%2Fhistory1990s.html > > 2000's VSE History: https://secure-web.cisco.com/1YAJcM2hjsRtdB76Ykv4- > xfcVxX9mZBM-miQiMaWZiMyZ5CwcfGZERmXiCP6s_bRp0VbwtNPwnK_ > gUaUXgvL5MWfDfO2Fc9kg9FdFAvDqjymGiE2jUwJSqstRmjZpfmhNHMkmIKG > fG6ZOIiAvkZMpqJn4D0GCRpijfgGaJuMUgPYyl_C0-K-NtwR5KbO- > N8z4adwawT6HykdeyvYnISd4Cu9p9jWhRKNSTQT25asdIhy205GoNcQabEg8 > lx04K9Db2vuNCB91OTLRWmkrY8Gvqr9sKYYpSsZnbvYkNfHj1Ae6kvKbEmjy > fdFGiyaF4zBdS_RT7Q2FC_HUBRDCnCnZ7zL-zWqFJFJLlhrjV- > lznxO0QO35QLDzewLgbPRAWnyc9c6cjha0fQSWkwOlQqt-B_ > xqfrKyP2v5VFaDncDLID5v49IBZzbP-chGTGQ9wkzU/https%3A%2F% > 2Fwww-03.ibm.com%2Fsystems%2Fz%2Fos%2Fzvse%2Fabout%2Fhistory2000s.html > > 2010's VSE History: https://secure-web.cisco.com/1Exaa9ZQSTz7_ > WUzVgXvYovWsRd92i3gPMDwkcdr4IR4zKNZw8V5o5tQu1ZQrDQPf_ > cwB4nWBr-cCdZoQavq7_mmF5ll3-gHT8M7mZiJhzd-q5CNZIJgl1cyXJomO2RNjqTXKyIR > sQ XYap2gbw5a5ml0Box3VuUH1-TAzNSYOdHC8LzPwjx9j8c-gsqnncH6C3pQ3_ > 4Q2zKDtrMjhzrtKsrw7kuLKHdDQ_FOUjXhM6fOZKPw5m8VQUT4Cq_5B- > SAzxTyJP78bH4g4qiX1m0ViqOLzSMXtr4EYCBoOf93Y5y- > YKUOmymTSOSv7MUUMiQajJAxZCJrifaQ6lGXNLGwH1MVguCKJX45unHgqFZa > IoZNu3iohQCsZZc7RwdQtREdXZwF7qL-0FRqGxTGWHSHiw0XD65wCLSMX1YM8t > aU7nnWVp_nE7dVqiSAtaeROMH6R/https%3A%2F%2Fwww-03.ibm.com% > 2Fsystems%2Fz%2Fos%2Fzvse%2Fabout%2Fhistory2010s.html > > Each of the IBM pages has a link to the next decade's history page, so > you can start with the 1980's page and proceed to the others in sequence. > > I didn't read all the IBM pages closely, but I didn't see VSE/AF jump > out. Was that actually a version? > > ECPS:VSE was a hardware feature on the 43xx machines (I know for sure > it was on the 4361, not sure about other models). IIRC it provided > microcode assists for VSE under VM. > > HTH > > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 12:33 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: VSAM usage for ancient disk models > > Of course I remember the 3310, although I never used one. But your > post reminds me of a question. > > Does anybody have a VSE timeline from the original DOS/VSE and > ECPS:VSE that includes all of the packages, e.g., VSE/AF? There's a > wike article on VSE and I'd like to flesh that out, or, better, put someone > up to doing so. > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > ________________________________________ > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on > behalf of Farley, Peter x23353 <peter.far...@broadridge.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 11:10 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu > Subject: Re: VSAM usage for ancient disk models > > The 3090 processor controllers ran VM/370 on 3370 (FBA) disks. I was > able to actually see one of these at a large NYC shop in the 1990's > while touring it with a friend who was the VP of Operations there. > The 3270 screen inside the 3090 box had the VM/370 screen logo. > > That made my day. I was a VM/VSE guy at the time and really resented > the way that MVS shops looked down on us, as if we were deprived, > backwards children. > > And you are right, the 3375's were 3370 boxes that emulated CKD on > physical FBA geometry. > > Anyone remember 3310's? Smaller FBA brothers of the 3370 DASD, sold > with > 4331 low-end CPU's for VM/VSE usage. There was a special VSE version > created in the mid 1980's (SSX/VSE) with simplified and largely > menu-driven system generation and maintenance intended for sale with > those low-end 4331 systems. The ISV I worked at then got to play with > SSX/VSE to set up our product for menu-driven installation on one of those > systems. > > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Dana Mitchell > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 9:47 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: VSAM usage for ancient disk models > > Current (for us 2.1) z/OS HCD still shows 3375 as a valid DASD device > type. IIRC 3375 was emulated CKD on FBA 3370 HDA's. I also think 3375s > were used as the storage for the embedded 43X1's used as processor > controllers on 3090s. > > Dana > -- > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. 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