I was an IBM systems engineer in that time 1980-1983. If memory serves me well: there was ECPS:VSE to run VSE/SP v1 natively on 4331 and 4341
with single level storage (somewhat like a s/38 back then). ECPS:VM was the microcode to provide VM assists to VM/SP v1. The base code was DOS/VSE ( kind of follow on release to DOS/VS r34). Adding VSE/Advanced Functions on top of DOS/VSE was the building blocks of VSE/SP v1. VSE/SP was the preferred delivery packaging. With the Other Program Products included in SIPO tapes. -- Later, IBM would do one extra level of integration and build VM/SP Express and VSE/SP Express tailored to the client configuration, the installation could restore a running system using FCOPY or DDR. Michel Beaulieu |*| ________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on behalf of Farley, Peter x23353 <peter.far...@broadridge.com> Sent: January 17, 2018 1:16 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: VSE timeline [was: RE: VSAM usage for ancient disk models] On this Wikipedia page, notes #44 and #45 lead to IBM z/VSE history pages that may tell you what you want to know. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_IBM_mainframe_operating_systems#DOS/VS 1980's VSE history: https://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zvse/about/history1980s.html 1990's VSE history: https://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zvse/about/history1990s.html 2000's VSE History: https://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zvse/about/history2000s.html [https://www-03.ibm.com/systems/resources/systemz_v17_zvse_images_zvselogo4_123x50.jpg]<https://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zvse/about/history2000s.html> IBM: z/VSE Operating System - History - 2000s<https://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zvse/about/history2000s.html> www-03.ibm.com Information about IBM's VSE operating system. Page describes VSE history in the 2000s. 2010's VSE History: https://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zvse/about/history2010s.html IBM: z/VSE Operating System - History - 2010s<https://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zvse/about/history2010s.html> www-03.ibm.com Information about IBM's VSE operating system. Page describes VSE history in the 2010s. Each of the IBM pages has a link to the next decade's history page, so you can start with the 1980's page and proceed to the others in sequence. I didn't read all the IBM pages closely, but I didn't see VSE/AF jump out. Was that actually a version? ECPS:VSE was a hardware feature on the 43xx machines (I know for sure it was on the 4361, not sure about other models). IIRC it provided microcode assists for VSE under VM. HTH Peter -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 12:33 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: VSAM usage for ancient disk models Of course I remember the 3310, although I never used one. But your post reminds me of a question. Does anybody have a VSE timeline from the original DOS/VSE and ECPS:VSE that includes all of the packages, e.g., VSE/AF? There's a wike article on VSE and I'd like to flesh that out, or, better, put someone up to doing so. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Farley, Peter x23353 <peter.far...@broadridge.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 11:10 AM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: VSAM usage for ancient disk models The 3090 processor controllers ran VM/370 on 3370 (FBA) disks. I was able to actually see one of these at a large NYC shop in the 1990's while touring it with a friend who was the VP of Operations there. The 3270 screen inside the 3090 box had the VM/370 screen logo. That made my day. I was a VM/VSE guy at the time and really resented the way that MVS shops looked down on us, as if we were deprived, backwards children. And you are right, the 3375's were 3370 boxes that emulated CKD on physical FBA geometry. Anyone remember 3310's? Smaller FBA brothers of the 3370 DASD, sold with 4331 low-end CPU's for VM/VSE usage. There was a special VSE version created in the mid 1980's (SSX/VSE) with simplified and largely menu-driven system generation and maintenance intended for sale with those low-end 4331 systems. The ISV I worked at then got to play with SSX/VSE to set up our product for menu-driven installation on one of those systems. Peter -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Dana Mitchell Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 9:47 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: VSAM usage for ancient disk models Current (for us 2.1) z/OS HCD still shows 3375 as a valid DASD device type. IIRC 3375 was emulated CKD on FBA 3370 HDA's. I also think 3375s were used as the storage for the embedded 43X1's used as processor controllers on 3090s. Dana -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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