Re: history and evolution of INFO/MVS, INFO/VM-VSE etc.

2025-01-13 Thread billogden
I replied directly to Mark Waterbury, but there seems to be slightly more interest in this topic. I was the original author (the "O" in OZS) but it was a long time ago, before all the modern databases/forums/newsgroups/networks existed. I believe it helped set the mindset for much later work. Bill

Re: history and evolution of INFO/MVS, INFO/VM-VSE etc.

2025-01-12 Thread Phil Smith III
Was "irewalls" a typo? I like it either way! We should rename them that in many cases. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2025 8:08 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: history and evolution o

Re: history and evolution of INFO/MVS, INFO/VM-VSE etc.

2025-01-12 Thread Sebastian Welton
I know of sites actively running it (INFOMAN) and of companies developing for it and then there is this: https://www.ibm.com/mysupport/s/topic/0TO0z006v2NGAQ/tivoli-information-management-for-zos?language=en_US&productId=01t0z07g6zIAAQ Followed by this: https://log-on.com/2023/10/16/log

Re: history and evolution of INFO/MVS, INFO/VM-VSE etc.

2025-01-11 Thread Bruce Hewson
I worked in Darwin, NT, from 1980-1989. We would get a periodic tape for INFOMAN which contained a copy of RETAIN. We used it extensively in researching problems. Could not do without it. Regards Bruce -- For IBM-MAIN subscrib

Re: history and evolution of INFO/MVS, INFO/VM-VSE etc.

2025-01-11 Thread Seymour J Metz
יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Mark Jacobs <0224d287a4b1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2025 5:41 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: history and evolution of INFO/MVS, INFO/VM-VSE etc. External Message: Use Cauti

Re: history and evolution of INFO/MVS, INFO/VM-VSE etc.

2025-01-11 Thread Steve Beaver
all think of products that failed that test. > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of > Tom Brennan > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2025 3:20 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: history and evolution of INFO/MVS, INFO/VM-VSE

Re: history and evolution of INFO/MVS, INFO/VM-VSE etc.

2025-01-11 Thread Phil Smith III
t to be useful/usable! I'm sure we can all think of products that failed that test. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tom Brennan Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2025 3:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: history and evolution of INFO/MVS,

Re: history and evolution of INFO/MVS, INFO/VM-VSE etc.

2025-01-11 Thread Mark Jacobs
Does anyone remember Info/Access? It allowed the systems programmer to formulate a query on your terminal and then it would initiate a dial-up connection, at least in my company, to an IBM database. When the results were available IBM would dial us back and return the results. Sort of like RETAI

Re: history and evolution of INFO/MVS, INFO/VM-VSE etc.

2025-01-11 Thread Tony Harminc
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 at 11:09, Mark S Waterbury < 01c3f560aac1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > [...] > I was just curious as to where INFO/OZS may have originated, how it was > developed, etc. > I have no idea, but one approach is to find an old manual for the product (bitsavers?), and

Re: history and evolution of INFO/MVS, INFO/VM-VSE etc.

2025-01-11 Thread Tom Brennan
I don't know where it came from, it was just a reel of tape that arrived on my desk one day. That was one of my first tasks as a new sysprog in 1983. What I really remember was users asking for changes to the screens, and the only way to edit them in V1 was by fiddling with the hex 3270 codes

Re: history and evolution of INFO/MVS, INFO/VM-VSE etc.

2025-01-11 Thread Joe Monk
The info/man, I remember came out around 1981. It was used for a problem management and change control in an MVS environment. Joe On Sat, Jan 11, 2025 at 10:09 Mark S Waterbury < 01c3f560aac1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Hello, all, > > I am curious about the history and evolution

Re: History

2024-12-30 Thread Michael Watkins
- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Glenn Knickerbocker Sent: Monday, December 30, 2024 12:25 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: History CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the Texas Comptroller's email system. DO NOT click links or open attachments un

Re: History

2024-12-30 Thread Glenn Knickerbocker
On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 10:53:31 -0600, Steve Beaver wrote: >IBM moved thousands of people to IOWA 15 years ago. Does anyone know how many >people actually worked in Dubuque? Was it only 15? I thought it was 20 or more, back when I was in VM support. ¬R ---

Re: History

2024-12-28 Thread Phil Smith III
"About half, same as anywhere else"? (sorry) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Steve Beaver Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2024 11:54 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: History IBM moved thousands of people to IOWA 15 years ago. Does anyone know how

Re: History

2024-12-28 Thread Paul Feller
I don't know how many people actually worked in the IBM office in Dubuque. In a news article I found there was an indication that at one point there was 1,300+ staff members. That said, IBM closed down the operations in Dubuque in late 2020. News article I found. https://www.kcrg.com/2020/07/01

Re: History of the Information System Technology (IT) Rating – Station HYPO

2018-06-04 Thread Mike Schwab
Is there a history to operating the analog firing computers I.E. WW2 era? On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 6:38 AM, Mark Regan wrote: > Sharing since IBM is mentioned several times in this article. I was a CTO > in the Navy from 1969 to 1991 (part of that was in the reserves from 1979 > to 1991). > > https

Re: History of the Information System Technology (IT) Rating – Station HYPO

2018-06-04 Thread Dave Jones
A very interesting history, Mark. Thanks for sharing. And thanks for your service, too. DJ On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 07:38:02 -0400, Mark Regan wrote: >Sharing since IBM is mentioned several times in this article. I was a CTO >in the Navy from 1969 to 1991 (part of that was in the reserves from 1979 >t

Re: History of Mainframe Cloud

2017-01-18 Thread Iris Rivera
Thanks Lizette for referencing this educational article. I'll be sharing this with our zNextGen community. Regards, Iris M. Rivera Design Researcher, z System Software 845-433-6252 iriv...@us.ibm.com @zsurveygirl -- For IBM-MA

Re: History of Mainframe Cloud

2017-01-17 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
posts http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#21 History of Mainframe Cloud http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#22 History of Mainframe Cloud http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#27 History of Mainframe Cloud and recent article from Google Cloud Google Infrastructure Security Design Overview htt

Re: History of Mainframe Cloud

2017-01-13 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
mike.a.sch...@gmail.com (Mike Schwab) writes: > And the web site is the server and the web page is the application. > > The cloud just reassigns different servers to serve the web page > (application). re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#21 History of Mainframe Cloud http://www.garlic.com/~l

Re: History of Mainframe Cloud

2017-01-13 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 23:32:41 -0700, Jack J. Woehr wrote: > >"A Conversation with Michael Cowlishaw", Dr. Dobb's Journal, March 1, 1996 >http://www.drdobbs.com/a-conversation-with-michael-cowlishaw/184409842 > >"I'm not the first to point it out, but the World Wide Web browsers of today >are effec

Re: History of Mainframe Cloud

2017-01-13 Thread Mike Schwab
On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 12:32 AM, Jack J. Woehr wrote: > Lizette Koehler wrote: >> [deleted] > > "I'm not the first to point it out, but the World Wide Web browsers of today > are effectively dumb terminals" > > - Michael Cowlishaw > And the web site is the server and the web page is the applicat

Re: History of Mainframe Cloud

2017-01-12 Thread Jack J. Woehr
Lizette Koehler wrote: Multiple users were capable of accessing a central computer through dumb terminals, whose only function was to provide access to the mainframe. "A Conversation with Michael Cowlishaw", Dr. Dobb's Journal, March 1, 1996 http://www.drdobbs.com/a-conversation-with-michael-co

Re: History of Mainframe Cloud

2017-01-12 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#21 History of Mainframe Cloud Les sent me this CP40/CMS presentation that he gave at '82 SEAS meeting, and let me scan, OCR and put it up http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/cp40seas1982.txt a copy is also in the appendix of Melinda's (neuall.pdf) VM history pap

Re: History of Mainframe Cloud

2017-01-12 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
stars...@mindspring.com (Lizette Koehler) writes: > https://www.ibm.com/blogs/cloud-computing/2014/03/a-brief-history-of-cloud-compu > ting-3/ > > After some time, around 1970, the concept of virtual machines (VMs) > was created. mid-60s, some of the CTSS people went to 5th flr to do MULTICS ... o

Re: History of Computing 1944 and the evolution to the System/360

2016-02-25 Thread Hobart Spitz
Additional memory was available from third party vendors. At Cornell in the early 1970s, the 360/65(?) had 1M. I don't recall if that was the total or the additional memory. On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Hobart Spitz wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Mike Schwab > wrote: > >>

Re: History of Computing 1944 and the evolution to the System/360

2016-02-25 Thread Hobart Spitz
On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Mike Schwab wrote: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_700/7000_series > Basically, the IBM 7xx and 7xxx had 4 branches in the family tree. > Each incompatible with the other. The IBM 360 was a common design to > satisfy all customers with one product. Businesse

Re: History of Computing 1944 and the evolution to the System/360

2016-02-25 Thread Mike Schwab
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_700/7000_series Basically, the IBM 7xx and 7xxx had 4 branches in the family tree. Each incompatible with the other. The IBM 360 was a common design to satisfy all customers with one product. Businesses go the decimal instructions, science labs got the floating po

Re: History of Computing 1944 and the evolution to the System/360

2016-02-25 Thread Mike Myers
The 360-mod 40 in the Field Engineering Education Center in Poughkeepsie had 64K in 1968. We were using it to train PSRs for OS/360. Mike Myers Mentor Services Corporation On 02/24/2016 10:34 PM, Lizette Koehler wrote: I was trolling for information on what the 360 indicated in the System/360

Re: History of Computing 1944 and the evolution to the System/360

2016-02-24 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
charl...@mcn.org (Charles Mills) writes: > My *recollection* is that the S/360 30 came with up to 48K, or 64K by RPQ. I > could be off, but 1MB sounds incredibly high to me. ga24-3231-7, 360-30 functional characteristics pg14 (from bitsavers) c308kbytes d30 16kbytes dc30 24kbytes e30 32k

Re: History of Computing 1944 and the evolution to the System/360

2016-02-24 Thread Charles Mills
My *recollection* is that the S/360 30 came with up to 48K, or 64K by RPQ. I could be off, but 1MB sounds incredibly high to me. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016

Re: History of Computing 1944 and the evolution to the System/360

2016-02-24 Thread Ed Gould
On Feb 24, 2016, at 10:04 PM, Tom Marchant wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 20:34:33 -0700, Lizette Koehler wrote: I was trolling for information on what the 360 indicated in the System/360 (yes the old one) and came across this video Thanks for sharing this, Lizette. The S/360 Model 30 had 1M

Re: History of Computing 1944 and the evolution to the System/360

2016-02-24 Thread Tom Marchant
On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 20:34:33 -0700, Lizette Koehler wrote: >I was trolling for information on what the 360 indicated in the System/360 (yes >the old one) and came across this video Thanks for sharing this, Lizette. >The S/360 Model 30 had 1MB >of memory (I think) at the time. I think the model

Re: History question - In what year did IBM first release its DF/DSS backup & restore product?

2016-01-05 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <1239576652662657.wa.m42tomibmmainyahoo@listserv.ua.edu>, on 01/02/2016 at 10:14 PM, Tom Marchant <000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> said: >http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/ibm/serviceForConsultants Thanks for the link; it should be useful for wiki editing. Do you kn

Re: History question - In what year did IBM first release its DF/DSS backup & restore product?

2016-01-02 Thread Tom Marchant
On Sat, 2 Jan 2016 18:30:23 -0600, Joel C. Ewing wrote: > An on-line copy of "Aug 83 Product Summary Software" shows Release 1.0 >(5740-AM6) of DF/DSS was available at that time for OS/VS1 (with later >releases available for OS/VS2). The description says it was developed >as part of >the support

Re: History question - In what year did IBM first release its DF/DSS backup & restore product?

2016-01-02 Thread Joel C. Ewing
On 01/02/2016 05:46 PM, Joel C. Ewing wrote: > On 01/02/2016 04:04 PM, Stephen Mednick wrote: >> Looking to find the answer to the question "in which year did IBM release >> its DF/DSS backup & restore product. >> >> Cheers, >> Stephen Mednick >> Computer Supervisory Services >> Sydney, Australia >

Re: History question - In what year did IBM first release its DF/DSS backup & restore product?

2016-01-02 Thread Joel C. Ewing
On 01/02/2016 04:04 PM, Stephen Mednick wrote: > Looking to find the answer to the question "in which year did IBM release > its DF/DSS backup & restore product. > > Cheers, > Stephen Mednick > Computer Supervisory Services > Sydney, Australia > > > Asia/Pacific representatives for: > Innovation

Re: History question - In what year did IBM first release its DF/DSS backup & restore product?

2016-01-02 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
ibmm...@computersupervisoryservices.com (Stephen Mednick) writes: > Looking to find the answer to the question "in which year did IBM release > its DF/DSS backup & restore product. some trivia from the web https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/blogs/InsideSystemStorage/entry/ibm_storwize_pr