Re: Assembler, was: AI expert hot new position

While the term AI was coined in 1956, real AI has just begun. Read the Harvard history of AI. Especially the segment called “The Future”. https://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2017/history-artificial-intelligence/ Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Thursday, September 14, 2023, 7:12 AM, Bernd

Re: Assembler, was: AI expert hot new position

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Re: Assembler, was: AI expert hot new position

Prove it. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 10:54 PM, David Crayford wrote: > On 14 Sep 2023, at 10:39 am, Bill Johnson > <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > Ray’s words. Cut and pasted from his response to a question about the > d

Re: Assembler, was: AI expert hot new position

> On 14 Sep 2023, at 10:39 am, Bill Johnson > <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > Ray’s words. Cut and pasted from his response to a question about the > direction of assembler programming. > > “I'll be honest - it's getting smaller and smaller. It's become a niche, >

Re: Assembler, was: AI expert hot new position

Ray’s words. Cut and pasted from his response to a question about the direction of assembler programming.  “I'll be honest - it's getting smaller and smaller. It's become a niche, mainly for system tools ISVs. Metal C is where the invisible hand of IBM is pushing the industry.” There is nothi

Re: Assembler, was: AI expert hot new position

> On 14 Sep 2023, at 9:37 am, Bill Johnson > <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > Potential positions? Either you have positions or you don’t. Or, you have > positions and no applicants. Which once again proves my point. Check our website which has all open positions. >

Re: Assembler, was: AI expert hot new position

Potential positions? Either you have positions or you don’t. Or, you have positions and no applicants. Which once again proves my point. Don’t waste your time learning a dying skill. As stated by Assembler expert Ray Mullins.  Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, September 13, 2023,

Re: Assembler, was: AI expert hot new position

We’ve got loads of potential positions for good HLASM programmers. Send me your resume if you’re interested. > On 14 Sep 2023, at 4:23 am, Dean Kent wrote: > > I didn't want to get into the firefight... however, the commentary here > encouraged me to do so. > > My own belief (whether founded

Re: Assembler, was: AI expert hot new position

M-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Assembler, was: AI expert hot new position It’s barely the first inning of AI. Demand for AI specialists is going to grow exponentially. Companies are spending trillions to implement over the next decade. https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/23/the-ai-spending-boom-is-spr

Re: Assembler, was: AI expert hot new position

embler, was: AI expert hot new position It’s barely the first inning of AI. Demand for AI specialists is going to grow exponentially. Companies are spending trillions to implement over the next decade. https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/23/the-ai-spending-boom-is-spreading-far-beyond-big-tech-companie

Re: Assembler, was: AI expert hot new position

I’m not conflating anything. You don’t understand markets. Let’s use carburetor mechanics. These numbers are only used as an example. In 1970, there was very likely 100,000 mechanics who could work on carburetors. Because nearly every car had one. In 2023, I’d bet it’s maybe 1000. Because very

Re: Assembler, was: AI expert hot new position

It’s barely the first inning of AI. Demand for AI specialists is going to grow exponentially. Companies are spending trillions to implement over the next decade. https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/23/the-ai-spending-boom-is-spreading-far-beyond-big-tech-companies.html Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPho

Re: Assembler, was: AI expert hot new position

Well, SABRE has been moving off the mainframe since 2001. On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 3:27 PM Dean Kent wrote: > > I didn't want to get into the firefight... however, the commentary here > encouraged me to do so. > > My own belief (whether founded or not) is that if you follow your > passion and beco

Re: Assembler, was: AI expert hot new position

On Wed, 13 Sep 2023, at 22:29, Bob Bridges wrote: > I'm > thinking not only of my own experiences but also, here, an article I > read recently about the last company in the world that deals with 3½" > diskettes. It's a dead market, right? But only almost - and the one > company that sells th

Re: Assembler, was: AI expert hot new position

Predictions are risky, but I'm going to expose myself just for fun: My bet is that these salaries represent a bubble that won't last long. AI is the latest cool thing, right? These are correspondingly cool numbers, but I'm thinking the bubble will burst. Soon? I dunno. What's "soon"? More

Re: Assembler, was: AI expert hot new position

Bill, it sounds to me like you're conflating two things, ie how many assembler programmers are needed with how much such a programmer can make. You've been saying the market for assembler programmers is doomed to decline (and I have no opinion to offer on that), and you conclude that therefore

Re: Assembler, was: AI expert hot new position

AI Specialist Salary Last Updated on: August 14, 2023 The average AI specialist salary in the United States is $165,980 per year, or $79.80 per hour. Their monthly salary starts at $6,907 and goes up to $20,494 per month, or about $245,931 per year. The top-paying states for artificial intellige

Re: Assembler, was: AI expert hot new position

A generalist will rarely be unemployed. A specialist will usually make more money but only until the skillset involved begins to decline or is phased out. Assembler programming has been in decline for decades. >From Dice.com September 2022. There’s a pervasive myth that being able to program in

Re: Assembler, was: AI expert hot new position

I didn't want to get into the firefight... however, the commentary here encouraged me to do so. My own belief (whether founded or not) is that if you follow your passion and become good at it, someone will recognize that and feel it is valuable enough to pay for it.   I also believe that speci

Re: Assembler, was: AI expert hot new position

I've long observed that no matter what your employer hired you for, what you turn out to be good at is what they use you for. At one location I was the only one who bothered to figure out what was wrong with the big greenbar printer when it went haywire; before I left, therefore, I was the one

Re: AI expert hot new position.

Classification: Confidential PKB -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 8:01 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: AI expert hot new position. [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization

Assembler, was: AI expert hot new position

As a now retired freelance z/OS guy  based in Munich/Germany I had to find a market niche at my employer. Therefore I specialized on debugging, analysis of dumps and the like. For those tasks HLASM was inevitable. My colleagues preferred more comfortable tasks and languages and therefore I fo

Re: AI expert hot new position.

Mostly perm. My contractor days were as a programmer analyst writing some huge QMF queries and Y2K code repair. 2 years total. Late 90’s. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 1:11 PM, Steve Beaver <050e0c375a14-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Is this cont

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Is this contract or perm? Sent from my iPhone No one said I could type with one thumb > On Sep 12, 2023, at 11:15, Bill Johnson > <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > I’ve done upgrades. Numerous times. Of z/OS, DB2, CICS, IMS, MQ, TSS, and a > boatload of third party

Re: AI expert hot new position.

I’ve done upgrades. Numerous times. Of z/OS, DB2, CICS, IMS, MQ, TSS, and a boatload of third party software. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 9:11 AM, David Spiegel <0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Hi Bill, Never happen? If you were a sy

Re: AI expert hot new position.

> On 12 Sep 2023, at 9:50 pm, Seymour J Metz wrote: > >> All the Utilities were written in PL/S, now PL/X. > > Can you say GENERATE? Yes, I can. And there is a small fraction of GENERATE code as it’s not needed. It’s usually coded by HLASM programmers who don’t want to learn PL/X. ---

Re: AI expert hot new position.

All the Utilities were written in PL/S, now PL/X. Can you say GENERATE? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Jon Butler Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 8:04 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: AI expert hot new position. Th

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> On 12 Sep 2023, at 9:11 pm, David Spiegel > <0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > Hi Bill, > Never happen? > If you were a systems programmer and were doing a z/OS upgrade, you would > probably have to repair some SMF, JES2 and Security Exits a lot more than > "almost ne

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Hi Bill, Never happen? If you were a systems programmer and were doing a z/OS upgrade, you would probably have to repair some SMF, JES2 and Security Exits a lot more than "almost never". Regards, David On 2023-09-12 08:56, Bill Johnson wrote: Making up scenarios that never or almost never ha

Re: AI expert hot new position.

David so badly wants his dying art to be important because it makes him feel superior. Textbook narcissist. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 8:58 AM, David Crayford wrote: > On 12 Sep 2023, at 8:04 pm, Jon Butler wrote: > > There will be a need for assembler

Re: AI expert hot new position.

> On 12 Sep 2023, at 8:04 pm, Jon Butler wrote: > > There will be a need for assembler programmers for quite a while, YEAH! z/OS syscalls are assembler macros! No HLASM no z/OS. The sheer volume of assembler code is an existential threat to the platform as young guys don’t want to spend 10 yea

Re: AI expert hot new position.

Making up scenarios that never or almost never happen.  Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 8:53 AM, David Spiegel <0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Hi Jon, Now that you've mentioned DB2, please tell me how to write/maintain a DB2 Secondary A

Re: AI expert hot new position.

I do know assembler. College class. Used once in over 40 years. Your memory is weak since I know I mentioned it previously. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 8:34 AM, David Spiegel <0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Hi Bill, Nice job cherry

Re: AI expert hot new position.

Hi Jon, Now that you've mentioned DB2, please tell me how to write/maintain a DB2 Secondary Authorization Exit WITHOUT Assembler. Next time my customer asks me to amend it, I will be sure to give them your answer. (I added logic to it to allow Informatica to authenticate via ACF2.) Regards,.

Re: AI expert hot new position.

Hi Jon, In one paragraph, you're talking about application code. In another paragraph, you're discussing system-level  programming. My argument has nothing to do with application code; I've always maintained that application code should be written in a High Level Language. As to your second para

Re: AI expert hot new position.

Hi Bill, Nice job cherry picking. Since you don't know Assembler, here is a fact you are (willfully) omitting. PL/S, PL/X, PL/AS etc. has never been been made available to all IBM customers. (I know that select customers have successfully obtained a licence.) Unless one works at IBM, there is s

Re: AI expert hot new position.

“ Not to denigrate assembler programmers, or those that decide to take up Sanskrit, but it is a dying art.” Indeed. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 8:04 AM, Jon Butler wrote: There will be a need for assembler programmers for quite a while, but mainly becau

Re: AI expert hot new position.

What gives away your real skill level is your inability to comprehend English. At no point did I say assembler is useless. But, it will be in 5-10 years. What proves my point? Ray said so. The assembler list is deader than a door nail. Nobody offers it as a training course. Here’s another fact.

Re: AI expert hot new position.

There will be a need for assembler programmers for quite a while, but mainly because over the last forty years, and long after even COBOL II added functions and a case construction in 1987, very, very clever people decided they would write application modules in assembler... and not waste time

Re: AI expert hot new position.

Hi Bill, Your claim of salary being equal to real SysProgs does not categorically prove that Assembler is useless. It is very easy to destroy this vacuous argument. Let's say you were employed in New York and your colleague (Assembler expert) was employed in West Virginia. In this case, you mi

Re: AI expert hot new position.

Some “geniuses” here, at least some self proclaimed ones, think knowing assembler makes them real Systems Programmers. Well, I’ve been getting paid like one for 2 decades. Anyone dumb enough to learn assembler in 2023, which is dying a slow tortuous death, deserves to be replaced by AI. (They wi

Re: Query strings (was: AI expert hot new position.)

Paul Gilmartin wrote, in part: >Who puts it there? The site. Probably depends how you got there. The one on the CNBC link is: __source=iosappshare%7Ccom.apple.UIKit.activity.CopyToPasteboard No idea about the stuff after the %7C (ISO8859-1 OR bar), though I can guess, but the first part obviousl

Re: Query strings (was: AI expert hot new position.)

On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 17:30:27 -0400, Phil Smith III wrote: > >Right, those utm_ query strings are Urchin Tracking Module values, used by >the site to track traffic across sites. Those are always removable. > Who puts it there? If I go to https://cnbc.com/ and "Copy Link" it doesn't appear. No

Re: Query strings (was: AI expert hot new position.)

Bob Bridges wrote: >I routinely discard the last part of a URL if it looks like that, not >because I'm mean and suspicious but just for brevity. For example, >some interesting articles I read and pass on have links that end it >"...?utm_source=pocket-newtab-en-us"; the link works just fine with

Re: AI expert hot new position.

That’s a good article. Also indicates where the future of IT is headed. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, September 10, 2023, 4:37 PM, Bob T Roller <044ef325f6c3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Just go to the CNBC home page. It’s now the third story. Sent from Proton Mail

Re: AI expert hot new position.

Just go to the CNBC home page. It’s now the third story. Sent from Proton Mail for iOS On Sun, Sep 10, 2023 at 4:33 PM, Bob T Roller <[044ef325f6c3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu](mailto:On Sun, Sep 10, 2023 at 4:33 PM, Bob T Roller < wrote: > It’s from CNBC. It’s the lead story. I also che

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I routinely discard the last part of a URL if it looks like that, not because I'm mean and suspicious but just for brevity. For example, some interesting articles I read and pass on have links that end it "...?utm_source=pocket-newtab-en-us"; the link works just fine without it. But I've never

Re: AI expert hot new position.

It’s from CNBC. It’s the lead story. I also checked the link after I got the email. Sent from Proton Mail for iOS On Sun, Sep 10, 2023 at 3:58 PM, Paul Gilmartin <[042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu](mailto:On Sun, Sep 10, 2023 at 3:58 PM, Paul Gilmartin < wrote: > On Sun, 10 Sep

Re: AI expert hot new position.

On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 17:23:10 +, Bob T Roller wrote: >AI will pay handsomely. > >AI expert is a hot new position in the freelance jobs market >https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/10/ai-expert-is-a-hot-new-position-in-the-freelance-jobs-market.html?__source=iosappshare%7Ccom.apple.UIKit.activity.CopyT

AI expert hot new position.

AI will pay handsomely. AI expert is a hot new position in the freelance jobs market https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/10/ai-expert-is-a-hot-new-position-in-the-freelance-jobs-market.html?__source=iosappshare%7Ccom.apple.UIKit.activity.CopyToPasteboard Sent from Proton Mail for iOS --