Re: RMODE64 services

On Mon, 4 Aug 2025 17:45:04 -0400, Joseph Reichman wrote: >And while AI didn’t back it up with documentation it said that WTO runs any >RMODE I repeat, RMODE is irrelevant unless specifically mentioned in the doc. The OP said it was not mentioned in WTO, therefore RMODE is irrelevant! >On Mo

Re: RMODE64 services

On Mon, 4 Aug 2025 13:57:30 -0400, Joseph Reichman wrote: Disclaimer because an idiot in this group needs to constantly tell us when I'm wrong & lying. This contains a lie that I feel is unimportant. >I see services such as WTO Run 24,31 and 64 >But that refers to AMODE. Wondering about RMODE

Re: Where to find DDnames to match JES DSNAME

On Mon, 4 Aug 2025 00:55:38 -0500, Brian Westerman wrote: >Unfortunately the sample in the book doesn't really do what it says that it >does, Au contraire, you can't ask for a better sample! It does everything it says it does. >it sets up and does the call but they left the processing logic

Re: Zosmf error zos installations

On Sun, 3 Aug 2025 10:03:20 +0400, Jake Anderson wrote: >The smpe level is 3.6. Do I still need the apar IO29467 ? The word "provider" means the vendor providing the file which in this case is IBM. It says the APAR must be applied to the provider's z/OS (not yours). The user action gives you

Re: Where to find DDnames to match JES DSNAME

On Sun, 3 Aug 2025 00:24:14 -0500, Jon Perryman wrote: >I suggest that you test with a proc within a proc within another proc >using same named steps and steps at each proc level. >Call the first proc twice and make sure you can locate the desired DD. I thought of additional test

Re: Where to find DDnames to match JES DSNAME

On Sun, 3 Aug 2025 09:35:56 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >On Sun, 3 Aug 2025 00:24:14 -0500, Jon Perryman wrote: >> >>The sample is in the doc. ... copy / paste from the doc. >> >Too often that doesn't work because writers are driven by >esthetics rather than te

Re: Zosmf error zos installations

On Sun, 3 Aug 2025 08:12:43 +0400, Jake Anderson wrote: >Verification of portable software instance file >"/u/smpnts/zOS31ServerPac/2025205113647611952.2of5" on system "_001" >has failed. > >IZUD218E Have you taken the steps that are documented with the error message? IZUD218E Verificatio

Re: Modern JCL for new Data Set Allocation

>On Sun, 3 Aug 2025 00:13:01 +1000, Clement Clarke wrote: > >>I am writing a simple EXEC command so that running Z/OS programs can be >>executed in much the same way that Linux and Windows programs are >>executed. For example: As an FYI, this EXEC might not be acceptable for production where thi

Re: Where to find DDnames to match JES DSNAME

On Sat, 2 Aug 2025 23:32:23 -0500, Brian Westerman wrote: >i "think" that SSI 80 (extended status) would allow me to go through by >owner/JOBNAME/JOBID > >Does anyone have an assembler program they can share with me that will help me >figure this out? The sample is in the doc. I suspect you

Re: Where to find DDnames to match JES DSNAME

On Sat, 2 Aug 2025 01:33:01 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >Lying again about what I wrote? > >I know what you said, and it was BS. >JES doesn't alter the DSN on OPEN and CLOSE, only on spin. Look up SPIN! I'm tired of repeating myself because I can't fix stupid. SPIN releases a SYSOUT for JES pr

Re: Where to find DDnames to match JES DSNAME

On Fri, 1 Aug 2025 23:30:01 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >I know what you said, and it was BS. >JES doesn't alter the DSN on OPEN and CLOSE, only on spin. Stop pretending you're good at z/OS! I've used 2 methods where new SYSOUT DSN's are assigned without using SPIN. Anyone using SMP/e will ha

Re: Where to find DDnames to match JES DSNAME

On Fri, 1 Aug 2025 23:03:27 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >That doesn't explain why you claimed that OPEN and CLOSE change the dsn. Again, with your non-sense. I said "JES may process". I never claimed it will always change. It was important that the OP understands the possibility exists and t

Re: Where to find DDnames to match JES DSNAME

CBT File # 790 SRS (Sysout Retrieval Services) pkg from Dave Danner https://cbttape.org/ftp/cbt/CBT790.zip gives you a starting point for using SAPI. On Fri, 1 Aug 2025 17:26:44 -0500, Jon Perryman wrote: >On Fri, 1 Aug 2025 13:51:24 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: > >>According to

Re: Where to find DDnames to match JES DSNAME

On Fri, 1 Aug 2025 13:51:24 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >According to the Subject, the OP knows the DSNAME and wants to find DDnames >to match. Good catch, my bad. The OP wants SAPI in this case and I believe all the requested information is available as long as the dataset has not been dele

Re: Where to find DDnames to match JES DSNAME

On Fri, 1 Aug 2025 18:48:13 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >I can understand spin creating a new dsn, >but why would OPEN or CLOSE without FREE=CLOSE processing? >Are you referring to spin being done under the covers based on count? Without any context, we don't know the ops situation. With mult

Re: Where to find DDnames to match JES DSNAME

On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 23:17:52 -0500, Brian Westerman wrote: >I can't assume that SDSF will be available when my task is running. > >I would just like to know what interface to JES that SDSF is using to get that >information. How do you believe the sysout DSN will be useful for your situation?

Re: US Baewd zOS Systems Programmers

On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 18:46:07 +, Dick Williams wrote: >So capitalism is great when you benefit but not great when others benefit at >your expense? Dick, you don't understand the definition of "capitalism"! "an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are contr

Re: Some Clarification using REXX

On Tue, 29 Jul 2025 21:34:02 GMT, esst...@juno.com wrote: >I would like to change a string of characters to the value contained in a >variable - Think of REXX as a language inside of another language called environments (e.g. using ADDRESS - ISPEXEC, ISREDIT, TSO, LINKMVS, others). Use TRACE I

Re: PCOMM version history

On Mon, 28 Jul 2025 21:58:13 +0200, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: >I'm looking for IBM Personal Communications timeline. I asked Gemini and it responded with https://gemini.google.com/app/d15f2b12c63c9950 but I can't vouch for its accuracy. Ask it follow on questions or have it summarize the page

Re: IKJEFTSR anomaly

On Mon, 28 Jul 2025 09:34:03 +0300, Binyamin Dissen wrote: >On Sun, 27 Jul 2025 22:28:42 -0500 Jon Perryman wrote: > >:> I suspect that using IKJEFTSR to call an authorized program while running >under testauth is not possible. > >While you may be able to call it, part o

Re: IKJEFTSR anomaly

On Sun, 27 Jul 2025 21:14:15 -0400, Joseph Reichman wrote: >However when IKJEFTSR invokes this program I get an abend at location 8. I don't think you are abending at location in the program you supplied because that's the 3rd load instruction and the abending instruction would be the 2nd loa

Re: SYSLOG or OPERLOG scanning tools

On Sun, 27 Jul 2025 02:19:14 +, kekronbekron wrote: >> For me, someone saying "Parallel run" and "split-up behavior" >That's a heavy assumption man. You don't use z/OS terminology nor language that everyone in this group understands without thinking. Your responses require we think about

Re: FileZilla not connecting to z/OS V3.1 - it used to

Have you tried other clients (e.g. TN3270, telnet, ...) I assume that when you tried FTP from Windows, that you don't get any prompt or message (e.g.userid prompt). Have you tried using the IP address to bypass DNS translation. Maybe the name is not found or the IP address is wrong. Have you

Re: SYSLOG or OPERLOG scanning tools

On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 02:18:06 +, kekronbekron wrote: >I meant to find out the impact of updating IEAMDBLG, >and if doing so affects what automation sees; >or if IEAMDBLG affects only syslog or only operlog, or both. Here are some noteworthy comments 1. You didn't look at SAMPLIB(IEAMDBLG)

Re: SYSLOG or OPERLOG scanning tools

On Fri, 25 Jul 2025 02:30:28 +, kekronbekron wrote: >>> By parallel run, I mean letting the current, split-up behaviour remain the >>> canonical way/source, >> This is referred to as multi-tasking which has nothing to do with messages. >Yes, I understand multi-tasking. There wasn't any doub

Re: SYSLOG or OPERLOG scanning tools

On Thu, 24 Jul 2025 22:41:36 +0300, Itschak Mugzach wrote: >The program can be easily modified to aggregate records based on ... For 200 lines of code reading SYSLOG, it can solve some problems but you're ignoring the limitations no matter how it is changed. More than IBM issues MLWTO's and s

Re: FileZilla not connecting to z/OS V3.1 - it used to

On Thu, 24 Jul 2025 19:48:46 +0300, Binyamin Dissen wrote: >What happen when you use command line FTP from the command line? >What port is FTP listening on? This is what I would recommend as the first step but if this doesn't uncover your problem, then you could try FileZilla debug and review

Re: SYSLOG or OPERLOG scanning tools

On Thu, 24 Jul 2025 08:56:42 +0300, Itschak Mugzach wrote: >My code solves the issues with multiline msgs, allow search, and lookup of >task number to task name. see below, it is free! You should take great pride in this program but you need to be honest about what it can achieve. Your program

Re: SYSLOG or OPERLOG scanning tools

On Thu, 24 Jul 2025 02:25:02 +, kekronbekron wrote: >This'll allow automation tools to switch over piece by piece (if & where >needed), No automation product (Netiview, AutoOperator, Ops z/OS, ...) will ever switch to OPERLOG because it's too slow, causes problems and doesn't provide any

Re: Streaming SYSLOG/OPERLOG

On Wed, 23 Jul 2025 10:25:36 +1000, Andrew Rowley wrote: >Is there an interface that can stream SYSLOG or OPERLOG data, similar to >how the SMF real time interface works? i.e. when reading data, you >either get the next message/line or wait until a message is written. I think you are asking abo

Re: SYSLOG or OPERLOG scanning tools

On Tue, 22 Jul 2025 11:50:30 +, Lennie Bradshaw wrote: >Does anyone have any advice on tools to scan SYSLOG and/or OPERLOG for >multiple messages? >I am looking for something that understands continuation messages, and the >structure of multiline messages. If I remember correctly, setting

Re: Identifying when SMF record not created

On Wed, 23 Jul 2025 13:37:34 -0700, Lizette Koehler wrote: >We are looking for something that would help us >validate if all SMF records and subtypes that we expect to be created are in >fact being created. >Subtype verification would be needed. This will depend upon your goals (e.g. smf reco

Re: Contention problem TSO and batch job

On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 07:37:06 -0500, Mike Schwab wrote: >Syntax diagram as drawn also requires specification in a particular order. It's well documented that "particular order" is not relevant unless otherwise noted. -- For IBM

Re: Contention problem TSO and batch job

On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 12:02:45 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >"that tells you it's a non-repeatable choice which is very different from >mutually exclusive." > is total BS. Again, comments without any supporting facts. It's only been a couple weeks since your last non-sense wasted my time. Mut

Re: Contention problem TSO and batch job

On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 05:58:09 -0400, David Spiegel wrote: >"... pipe dream ..." Pun intended? Excellent catch. I didn't expect anyone to notice. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to l

Re: Contention problem TSO and batch job

On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 16:49:04 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >The syntax diagram in: > >says that CATALOG and DELETE are mutually exclusive? ROTFLOL! typical UNIX mentality. Completely ignores section "How to read the TSO/E comm

Re: Exec clist from Rexx running TEST

On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 13:58:40 -0400, Joseph Reichman wrote: >/* Rexx */ >ADDRESS TSO > “ EXEC ‘IFU05.BMF701.CLIST(B7010152)’ “ clist with test and allocate > statements >“FREEALL” > >And it totally bypassed executing the clist REXX "TRACE I" will reveal the error. I'm surprised you did not

Re: TSS Resource Class

On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 16:53:26 +, Steely.Mark wrote: >*-- SET POINTER TO ENTITY (FIXED) > LAR1,ENTITY > RACROUTE REQUEST=AUTH,ENTITY=(R1),CLASS='UR2',ATTR=READ, X > WORKA=WORKAREA >* STATUS=ACCESS,WORKA=WORKAREA > >ENTITY DCC'APP.DATA'

Re: [EXT] Dataset Alias - determine if used

On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 10:36:49 -0500, Rebecca Martin wrote: > I could at least take the ISP datasets and create actual SYS1 datasets and > then check RACF. > There are too many to take that approach for all of them. If IBM can't provide a solution, then you can use system exits. Whatever you ch

Re: Saving/Restoring the linkage-stack ptr (CR15)

On Thu, 3 Jul 2025 06:11:47 -0500, Thomas David Rivers wrote: > IBM provides a way to query the link-state state, but doesn't provide > a way to restore it to a previous state (except through the recovery > mechanism. As someone mentioned before, standard save areas will give you more control.

Re: setting up user and operator commands.

On Thu, 3 Jul 2025 07:35:26 -0400, Robert S. Hansel wrote: >I don't see it as a risk because OPERCMDS is access is still required. Sadly, OPERCMDS and EMCS came long after most products were created. Any OEM product which implemented commands is potentially vulnerable because they might have

Re: Saving/Restoring the linkage-stack ptr (CR15)

On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 19:46:00 -0500, Jon Perryman wrote: >You need to understand abend recovery on the stack. Consider your example: This keeps nagging at me as I very vaguely remember something about SETRP. I think there is a stack pointer saved at the ESTAE and that RC=0 restores to the ES

Re: Saving/Restoring the linkage-stack ptr (CR15)

On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 10:13:17 -0500, Thomas David Rivers wrote: >So I can say "set the linkage-stack to level N" and then branch >(where N is less than the current level.) You need to understand abend recovery on the stack. Consider your example: ESTAE recovery WTO 'performed abend re

Re: DEBUG TOOL conditional breakpoint assembler (one more time)

On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 10:23:44 -0400, Joseph Reichman wrote: >AT 70 WHEN %R2 + X'0004' = X'0025' > >Tool debug was ok with the syntax but I never stopped at the break point In your source, add a DC X'00DEAD00' after the statement you think it should break. Check to see if test thinks the offset

Re: setting up user and operator commands.

On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 13:41:54 +0100, Colin Paice wrote: > COLINX 0290 CANCEL > TSU03273 0090 IEE341I NOT ACTIVE >There is no * on the front of my console-name An * (asterisk) in the first byte of syslog lines (in this case before console name) should identify a

Re: Tried exec pgm=

On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 17:02:55 -0400, Joseph Reichman wrote: >Just to make sure I don’t have a copy of ISJR in another library that’s not >authorized I don't believe you have a copy of ISJR but use ISRFIND to see which libraries contain a second copy. Alternatively, comment the steplib in your b

Re: Tried exec pgm=

On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 15:41:00 -0500, Steve Beaver wrote: >I’m going to be the idiot that asks. What is the program attempting to do What happens after the S047 is irrelevant to solving his problem although alternative unauthorized solutions may be possible. You're not being an idiot to ask bec

Re: Tried exec pgm=

On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 18:54:18 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: > Telling us what TCB he's running under would narrow things down. Why make this so difficult at this point? It's almost guaranteed he's running in the wrong TCB otherwise none of the CMDAUTH programs would be working. As I suggested, a

Re: Tried exec pgm=

On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 13:27:28 -0500, Steve Beaver wrote: >Is it dying in your code? Yes, it's abending in his code. >ACTIVE MODULE ADDRESS=_20801710 OFFSET=0038 >NAME=ISJR >DATA AT PSW 20801742 - 4

Re: Tried exec pgm=

On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 17:34:35 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: > At this point he hasn't provided enough information to diagnose the problem. Joseph provided source, IKJTSO and ran program without S047 abend in batch to verify APF. We know he got past the abending SVC because nothing before would a

Re: Tried exec pgm=

On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 12:11:17 -0500, Steve Beaver wrote: >Cut and paste your IKJTSO Parmlib member please Joseph already posted IKJTSO, source and other docs in an earlier post. You can look for it there. -- For IBM-MAIN subscr

Re: Tried exec pgm=

On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 11:58:51 -0500, Steve Beaver wrote: >It doesn’t occur in a PGM= because In that stance TSO is not involved An SVC that must run authorized will always abend S047 regardless of TSO or BATCH. He provided his source and I'm guessing the SVC is MODESET. Clearly, the problem m

Re: Tried exec pgm=

On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 11:00:57 -0500, Steve Beaver wrote: >Is your program in AUTHPGM and AUTHCMD Joseph defined it both as AUTHPGM & AUTHCMD. I saw this but thought it could not be the problem but maybe TSO does not like it be in both. At this point, Joseph proved the problem is with TSO becaus

Re: setting up user and operator commands.

On Sun, 29 Jun 2025 17:29:25 +0100, Colin Paice wrote: >I'm struggling to understand the set up for userid and console permissions, EMCS is a programming interface (MCSOPER) and USERID is not part of this interface. USERID (an ACEE) is associated to a set of tasks in the address space. Many ti

Re: FTP to z/OS PDS - filename extensions

On Wed, 25 Jun 2025 15:19:57 -0500, Wendell Lovewell wrote: >I'm not at my oc, but does this work? > >Rename *.txt * If I remember correctly, the suggestion was to use z/OS Unix filesystem which would use the "mv" Unix command which if I remember correctly allows this. Alternatively, you co

Re: 3420 environmentals?

On Wed, 25 Jun 2025 14:30:54 -0400, Phil Smith III wrote: >This was an old and, um, interesting building anyway. My favorite office was in the barn of Brake Castle in Germany. My window was next to the water wheel where I could watch the ducklings in the spring. > I don't think dust would be

Re: 3420 environmentals?

On Wed, 25 Jun 2025 13:01:08 -0400, Phil Smith III wrote: >Back in the 80s, we had 3420s in a room that had some sort of cooling >but was not a data center per se. The cables ran through a 6" hole >in the floor down two stories to the real data center; the controller was >downstairs as well.

Re: FTP to z/OS PDS - filename extensions

On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 15:44:04 +0200, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: >However regular MPUT *  does not work, because FILE.txt is not proper >member name. Do you have a programming language installed that has FTP libraries. In my case, I have Python which I could just GLOB the file names and call FTPLI

Re: FTP to z/OS PDS - filename extensions

On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 20:18:50 +0200, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: >Actually I'm looking for something *simple*. KIS rules. >Python is not standard part of Windows image and many corporations do Powershell script is your solution you're looking for. Despite never seeing powershell script, I'm great

Re: FTP to z/OS PDS - filename extensions

On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 19:15:06 +0200, Massimo Biancucci wrote: >I think you can generate the FTP script with a .bat o .ps1 and then execute it. .bat files do not have an FTP API which means you must visually verify that each file transferred successfully. This is fine for a 1 time situation but m

Re: Looking for clues on out-of-storage at end-of-jobstep

On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 02:03:49 +, kekronbekron wrote: >It's fine to be skeptical. The question is - will one take an effort at this >stage >to find out the facts, or just propagate that hunch in place of an informed... >"decision". ROTFLOL. Seymour demands everyone believe he's always righ

Re: REXX say & OOREXX was: In IBM-land, AFP means...

On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 13:21:12 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >You keep saying that, but you haven't provided any specifics. Ask questions and learn something. I'm conveying concepts you don't understand. You're wasting my time by constantly making statements of fact that may or may not be releva

Re: REXX say & OOREXX was: In IBM-land, AFP means...

On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 20:23:39 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >I'm following your example of civility. Thanks for letting me know. >How does calling ISPEXEC cause you to lose access to variables and how would >that differ >between TSO/E REX and ooRexx? The complaint about REXX is that when a REXX

Re: AUTHCMD/AUTHPGM (was Re: In IBM-land, AFP means...)

On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 08:51:08 +, Rob Scott wrote: >Personally I am a BIG fan of PC routines providing authorized services >for unauthorized callers (provided they are written correctly), Without PC-ss, I doubt AutoOperator would have implemented it's TSO command interface. Using PC-ss was

Re: REXX say & OOREXX was: In IBM-land, AFP means...

On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 18:55:24 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >You haven't got a clue as to what I understand; you've made that abundantly >clear. I'm only asking you to be on topic and not dismiss my knowledge and experience as "nonsense". This is a discussion about porting OOREXX without losing

Re: Is there an equivalent of an S-con for a long displacement?

On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 13:24:48 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >>Wishful thinking. Entire industries exist solely on "you can't fix stupid". >my guess is that they invent new types of stupid rather than doing the stupid >things you anticipated. In my experience, code reviews (inspections) rarely if

Re: Looking for clues on out-of-storage at end-of-jobstep

On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 02:16:06 +, kekronbekron wrote: >NO, it's not like Go. >Rust's unsafe is explicit, unlike Go. It allows low-level control with clear >risk flags, I don't know Rust but controlling unsafe activities with risk flags implies that statements without risk flags are always

Re: REXX say & OOREXX was: In IBM-land, AFP means...

On Sun, 22 Jun 2025 12:01:01 +0200, Rony G. Flatscher wrote: >> I've never found any doc for defining environments within OOREXX. OOREXX >> design is the compatibility challenge that requires OOREXX changes. > >You can consult the documentation coming with the ooRexx documentation book >"rexxa

Re: AUTHCMD/AUTHPGM (was Re: In IBM-land, AFP means...)

On Sun, 22 Jun 2025 00:54:15 -0700, Leonard D Woren wrote: Out of curiosity, I asked Gemini to see what AI thinks about this (https://gemini.google.com/app/24656a95c1c0a7e9). Surprisingly it came close to my understanding and saves me from some typing. >Jon Perryman wrote on 6/21/2025 1

Re: Is there an equivalent of an S-con for a long displacement?

On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 23:44:29 -0700, Tom Brennan wrote: >>>   DC    C'ABEND 0C1' > >Yes, it was a joke. Nobody in their right mind would code those. >I hope :) Wishful thinking. Entire industries exist solely on "you can't fix stupid". Construction and other types of inspectors. NTSB, FAA,

Re: REXX say & OOREXX was: In IBM-land, AFP means...

On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 10:41:14 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >Nonsense. IBM created OREXX for OS/2 and m$ windows; >ooRexx is the open source version that replaced it and is not limited to >Unix-like systems. >The builtin classes are highly useful outside on *ix. Again, wasting my time with a wr

Re: Looking for clues on out-of-storage at end-of-jobstep

On Sun, 22 Jun 2025 01:36:55 +, kekronbekron wrote: >Times like this are when the prominent voices and vendors need to >dial up the volume in requesting Rust, where memory errors "simply go away". I think that Rust is like GO which has an unsafe class. They understand there are times you

Re: REXX say

On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 17:57:18 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >No, there is no problem with a keyword being the same as the name of an >environment, >other than making the program harder to read. The statement "ADDRESS SAY" >would be >perfectly unambiguous should someone be perverse enough to use

Re: In IBM-land, AFP means...

On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 20:37:36 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >>>3270 data streams is still a thng, but IBM didn't document the TMP for TSO/E >>>for customer. >> >>TPUT and TGET are documented. TPUT NOEDIT sends the nmmodified data to the >>3270. > >That's the right answer to the wrong question. O

Re: In IBM-land, AFP means...

On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 12:03:45 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >Nowadays the supported interface for invoking an authorized program >is BPX1EXM. Alas, it does not propagate ENQs, so can not propagate >allocations. I'm not familiar with BPX1EXM but it must be more difficult than calling an APF AC(1)

Re: In IBM-land, AFP means...

On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 01:37:29 -0400, Tony Harminc wrote: >Integrating a new language (such as has been proposed for OOREXX) is not >possible with the doc and mappings supplied. What necessary doc and mapping is missing? I'm guessing you're thinking OUTTRAP but everything you need is there. I kno

Re: In IBM-land, AFP means...

On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 00:15:16 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >3270 data streams is still a thng, but IBM didn't document the TMP for TSO/E >for customer. TPUT and TGET are documented. TPUT NOEDIT sends the unmodified data to the 3270. TGET documents full screen versus single lines. puts to the te

Re: REXX say

On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 18:32:59 -0500, Glenn Knickerbocker wrote: >Mike's explanation in The REXX Language was that "SAY . . . typically causes >it to be displayed (or spoken, or typed, etc.) to the user." He had blind >friends (and/or antagonists) using talking terminals among the early users,

REXX say & OOREXX was: In IBM-land, AFP means...

On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 22:59:44 -0700, Tom Brennan wrote: >On 6/18/2025 8:43 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >> And in BASIC, "PRINT" (still) means "Display on Terminal." > >That still makes more sense than "SAY" in REXX What would be a better word than "SAY"? Not making sense is a good thing because i

Re: Is there an equivalent of an S-con for a long displacement?

On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 13:08:41 -0700, Tom Brennan wrote: >Nice! These seem to work too: > DCC'ABEND 0C1' > DCC'S0C6' >On 6/19/2025 11:55 AM, Leonard D Woren wrote: >>      DC X'00C1'. abend S0C1 > You missed the genius behind XDC X'00DEAD00'. If for some reason, XDC

Re: Parmlib CONSOLxx statement for an EMCS console, and MCSOPER return code 4

On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 14:08:55 -0500, Dave Day wrote: >     CONSOLE >   DEVNUM(SUBSYSTEM) MCSOPER is for EMCS consoles are dynamic (not SUBSYSTEM consoles). You are getting the conflict because they are 2 different types. >     The manuals I've read indicated I should put the definition for the

Re: error in post logon exit IKJEFD3 878-18 from MSTJCL

On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 23:23:12 -0400, Joseph Reichman wrote: I see coding errors that can cause problems, I can't say for sure they are causing this problem. Rant: I realize this mostly is not your code but the original author failed to comment the code with important information and the concep

Re: Is there an equivalent of an S-con for a long displacement?

On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 11:22:08 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >Diagnose? I believe its existence is documented; otherwise, "model dependent". >And no mnemonic. Ask yourself why DIAGNOSE does not use SCONs. DIAGNOSE used to be a pseudo instruction that was processed by VM CP exception handler. SCON

Re: error in post logon exit IKJEFD3 878-18 from MSTJCL

On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 18:27:59 -0400, Joseph Reichman wrote: >I copied the basic code from xephon > >In that code there was a storage obtain and release sp=0 local storage When you say "release sp=0", then you are saying free the entire subpool and ADDR= & LENGTH= were not specified on the STO

Re: Is there an equivalent of an S-con for a long displacement?

On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 15:28:00 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >No building of instructions. My solution allowed for a short read only >parameter instead of a long code sequence. So instead of passing an LA instruction or building the LA instruction or better yet passing the actual address, you cho

Re: error in post logon exit IKJEFD3 878-18 from MSTJCL

On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 19:39:17 +, Joseph Reichman wrote: >At the end of IKJEFLD3 I release working storage sp=0 restore regs and do a BR >14 all this without a abend OMG, this is how you crash a system and why we ask for source. We could never imagine anyone doing this. To rephrase what I

Re: error in post logon exit IKJEFD3 878-18 from MSTJCL

On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 13:40:45 -0400, Joseph Reichman wrote: >Then I would of gotten a s0c4 ( was running key 0 ) >While ikjefld3 was executing What makes you think a S0C4 is guaranteed in your IKJEFLD3 with a bad address? Since we haven't seen your code, we don't know how you are using the add

Re: Is there an equivalent of an S-con for a long displacement?

On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 20:55:23 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >You can't accurately predict risks when you make wild guesses about the use >case. Certainly my use case does not require a nonstandard calling sequence. The OP said he was using as part of the parmlist. In your case, were SCONs only

Re: Is there an equivalent of an S-con for a long displacement?

On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 00:54:20 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >But those risks aren't any worse with S-cons. > >As for time tested, isn't half a century long enough? R0 & R1 are time tested in professional products. R1 pointing to SCONs using the caller's registers, never. To ignore the risks does

Re: Is there an equivalent of an S-con for a long displacement?

On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 00:17:38 -0400, David Cole wrote: >At idk when, idk who wrote: >> >>I've never seen a valid use case for S-CONS. > >I once had to generate code at runtime. I know the use cases and now regretting having said no use cases. There will only be a handful of very experienced peo

Re: Is there an equivalent of an S-con for a long displacement?

On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 12:11:21 +0300, Binyamin Dissen wrote: >What SCON risks? By using LOCTR you can have data adjacent to the code in the >source There are risks that aren't being mentioned and I'm telling others there are simpler & less risky solutions available that they should use instead

Re: Is there an equivalent of an S-con for a long displacement?

On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 12:14:13 +0300, Binyamin Dissen wrote: >:>>PATCH DC 48S(*) >Was quite useful in the days where (1) the weren't baseless instructions and >(2) zaps where provided. One did not have to calculate to figure out the >branch to the patch area. Working for vendors, I was taught

Re: error in post logon exit IKJEFD3 878-18 from MSTJCL

On Fri, 13 Jun 2025 14:06:50 -0400, Joseph Reichman wrote: >I am getting the following error after IKJEFLD3 completes successfully by >completes successfully I know that last instruction BR 14 completes without >an abend If as you say, your IKJEFLD3 ran successfully, then your IKJEFLD3 overlaid

Re: Looking for clues on out-of-storage at end-of-jobstep

It looks like you had a S0C4 during termination most likely from a storage overlay. My observations from the very limited information provided: On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 17:09:08 -0500, Charles Mills wrote: >16.52.50 JOB04842 +IDI0012S Abend C9 occurred in abend exit processing, The diagnostic

Re: Is there an equivalent of an S-con for a long displacement?

On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 20:17:10 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >Maybe he understands that there are no risks in his use of S-cons. There are always risks unless this code is bulletproof and never has anyone else making changes that doesn't understand the nuances. Never assume someone will look at t

Re: Is there an equivalent of an S-con for a long displacement?

On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 01:09:36 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >LAY is only 16-bit displacement; long is 20 bits. No one is willing to correct your screwups, least of all me. 16-bit displacements do not exist on z. Please summarize https://gemini.google.com/app/8ecb4a9bdc4d1361 for those who want t

Re: Is there an equivalent of an S-con for a long displacement?

On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 22:11:01 -0400, Mike Shaw wrote: >Patch areas are a valid use case. All z/OS commercial software I have seen >or worked on has a patch area structured similar to this: > >PATCH DC 48S(*) While patch area is a great use case, it's not a valid use case because S-CON value i

Re: Is there an equivalent of an S-con for a long displacement?

On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 12:41:09 -0500, Charles Mills wrote: >On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 11:26:04 -0500, Jon Perryman wrote: > >>Other than IBM, who uses bleeding edge instructions that can't wait for the >>HLASM update? > >Early testers? Early testers of what? They receive

Re: Is there an equivalent of an S-con for a long displacement?

On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 10:14:39 +0300, Binyamin Dissen wrote: >On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 15:27:34 -0500 Jon Perryman wrote: >:>I've never seen a valid use case for S-CONS. > >A read only parameter list where the target routine uses the callers registers >to calculate the address

Re: STC Userids

On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 16:47:32 +0100, Colin Paice wrote: > is a clever way of submitting a job which runs under a protected >userid, perhaps with a surrogate userid? Look at RACF SURROGAT class and resource name userid.SUBMIT. It allows job cards to specify that USERID= while omitting the password

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