Re: Update CoC adapted from upstream 2.1 (instead of 1.4)

Hi, On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 at 08:47, Tissevert wrote: > Also, why isn't this message part of the other thread[1] ? Why it would be the same thread since this proposal is radically different: it is an update based on upstream version of [1]. 1: >

Re: Update CoC adapted from upstream 2.1 (instead of 1.4)

February 25, 2022 8:48 AM, "Tissevert" wrote: > Are dickpics going to be necessary to sign commits from now on ? Well, we cant be mandating binary commits now can we?!? This is Guix FFS. Cmon, if I wanted to be perusing dicks and commits Id be on other mailing lists. Lets move on. Please. Jo

Re: Update CoC adapted from upstream 2.1 (instead of 1.4)

On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 08:47:11 +0100 Tissevert wrote: > And, how exactly can "sex characteristics" be involved in the kind of > interactions we're having in this community ? For the most part, with the notable exception of conferences, one could wonder the same about age, body size, visible or inv

Re: setting open files limit for daemon processes

Attila Lendvai schreef op vr 25-02-2022 om 07:55 [+]: > "The per-process limit is inherited by each process from its parent", > and Shepherd is the init process. when it spawns a daemon, it inherits > its open files limit. > > i have successfully set the limit for the daemon user using: > >

Re: [bug]: xfce4: xfpm-power-backlight-helper alway let me input password.

tumashu writes: > i can not run gdm success, but have the problem too when run sddm. Try put a fontconfig file under /var/lib/sddm/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf cat > /var/lib/sddm/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf << "EOF" /run/current-system/profile/share/fonts/ EOF And install the fonts

Re: Excessively energy-consuming software considered malware?

On +2022-02-24 19:27:37 -0500, Christine Lemmer-Webber wrote: > I am all for these conversations; they are good to have as a society, to > examine our social foundations in earnest dialogue. But I think they've > approached a point on here where they're no longer about Guix > development, in parti

Re: Excessively energy-consuming software considered malware?

On 2022-02-25 13:41, Bengt Richter wrote: And maybe also a mailing list called "guix-grownups" -- where casual adult language is accepted without triggering endless complaints. This is guix-grownups, although we accept grown-ups of all ages. Kind regards, T G-R Sent from a Web browser. Excu

Re: setting open files limit for daemon processes

> > su - [daemon user] -c 'ulimit -aHS' -s `which bash` > > That might set the limit of the user when that user logins (and hence, > PAM things are run), but I don't see how this changes the limit of > shepherd itself. I don't think that shepherd interacts with PAM at > all? my understanding of P

Re: Update CoC adapted from upstream 2.1 (instead of 1.4)

zimoun writes: My position remains unchanged: our codes of conduct should do everything possible to be as inclusive as and open to peoples of marginalized groups that are discriminated against. White cis men shouldn't be in charge of deciding whats best for these people. As far as I can see, no

Fixing python-notmuch2

Hi Guix! python-notmuch2 is broken [1] since the upgrade of notmuch to version 0.35 (fb3508bb36). Looks like a Python file is supposed to be generated by the configure phase [2], but python-notmuch2 uses the python-build-system which, I guess, does not run configure. [1]: https://ci.guix.gnu.org/

Re: Everytime I install a package a symlink to ld.so.cache is created in $GUIX_PROFILE/etc, why?

vapnik spaknik schreef op vr 25-02-2022 om 15:16 [+]: > I've noticed that whenever I install a new package guix symlinks > the ld.so.cache file in that package to the etc subdir of my > guix profile directory (on a foreign distro). I was a bit suspicious > when I first noticed this, but then I

Re: Excessively energy-consuming software considered malware?

On +2022-02-25 14:04:34 +0100, Tobias Geerinckx-Rice wrote: > On 2022-02-25 13:41, Bengt Richter wrote: > > And maybe also a mailing list called "guix-grownups" -- > > where casual adult language is accepted without triggering > > endless complaints. > > This is guix-grownups, although we accept g

Re: Excessively energy-consuming software considered malware?

Bengt Richter writes: > WDYT of starting a list called "guix-off-list" to provide a > place for those who enjoy this kind of discussion? Not as part of the project. So if you want a list like that, please maintain it by yourself. -- Ricardo

Re: Update CoC adapted from upstream 2.1 (instead of 1.4)

On 25.02.2022 01:05, zimoun wrote: > > Any opposition? > Not from me for sure. The wording "sex characteristics" was added by the author of the CoC as a response to my and others' suggestion to add "sex," and while I think it's a bad euphemism for just 'sex' (trying very hard to shoehorn the is

Re: Excessively energy-consuming software considered malware?

Bengt Richter schreef op vr 25-02-2022 om 13:41 [+0100]: > On +2022-02-24 19:27:37 -0500, Christine Lemmer-Webber wrote: > > I am all for these conversations; they are good to have as a society, to > > examine our social foundations in earnest dialogue. But I think they've > > approached a point o

Upstreaming my Android channel

Exciting!

Re: Excessively energy-consuming software considered malware?

On 25/02/2022 16:14, Bengt Richter wrote: On +2022-02-25 14:04:34 +0100, Tobias Geerinckx-Rice wrote: On 2022-02-25 13:41, Bengt Richter wrote: And maybe also a mailing list called "guix-grownups" -- where casual adult language is accepted without triggering endless complaints. This is guix-

Re: Update CoC adapted from upstream 2.1 (instead of 1.4)

On 25.02.2022 16:18, Blake Shaw wrote: > zimoun writes: > > My position remains unchanged: our codes of conduct should do everything > possible to be as inclusive as and open to peoples of marginalized > groups that are discriminated against. White cis men shouldn't be in > charge of deciding wha

Re: Excessively energy-consuming software considered malware?

On 25.02.2022 18:05, Maxime Devos wrote: > > A separate spin-off mailing list might address this (does not have to > be on gnu.org or associated with guix per-se). It seems like Ricardo > Wurmus wants any such list, if any, to be outside guix itself. Would > you have an idea for the location? >

Re: Rename glibc-utf8-locales to glibc-limited-utf8-locales

Hi Rovanion, Rovanion Luckey writes: > Hi, > I have on different occasions had the issue of the package manager Guix > hinting that locales were not installed or that GUIX_LOCPATH was not set, > even though they were. Today I went to the bottom of the issue [0] and have > found what in my opinio

Re: better error messages through assertions

Hello Ricardo, Ricardo Wurmus writes: > Hi Guix, > > today on IRC someone reported an ugly error message when reconfiguring > their system: > > Backtrace: > 18 (primitive-load "/home/me/.config/guix/current/bin/…") > In guix/ui.scm: >2209:7 17 (run-guix . _) > 2172:10 16 (run-gui

Re: Excessively energy-consuming software considered malware?

On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 06:35:19PM +0100, Taylan Kammer wrote: > There's a gnu-misc-discuss mailing list which seems to be used for topics > that are only tangentially on-topic. It might be a candidate. Though it > has some... well, trolls IMO, though I won't name names. So maybe it's > not the

Re: Upstreaming my Android channel

Hi Julien, Julien Lepiller writes: > Hi Guix! > > I have been working on updating Android packages for some time now. I > think it's at a point I'm confident I can share and move them upstream. > My work is currently in a separate channel at > https://framagit.org/tyreunom/guix-android. I have b

Re: Update CoC adapted from upstream 2.1 (instead of 1.4)

I'm a hetero white male from the USA and I would appreciate it if we could keep this mailing focused on software development instead of feminist transgender meta discussion. It seems quite settled nobody else finds the code of conduct lacking in practice so we should probably just move on and ac

Re: Update CoC adapted from upstream 2.1 (instead of 1.4)

On 2/25/22 11:59, Taylan Kammer wrote:> Transwomen have many challenges they have to face, and some of them may be similar or equivalent to some challenges women have to face, but to claim I'm concerned that framing "transwomen" and "women" as though they were two contrasting groups is itself

Re: Update CoC adapted from upstream 2.1 (instead of 1.4)

On 25.02.2022 21:38, Philip McGrath wrote: > > It seems to me that one of the reasons to have a CoC is to communicate that > the identities and experiences of people who face discrimination are not up > for debate. Yet here it seems they are, in fact, being called into question, > [...] > The

Bytestructures 2.0

Hi Guix, I've just sent a patch (to guix-patches) that updates bytestructures to version 2.0.1. The bump in major version is due to a small API change: The indexing semantics of bs:pointer would previously implicitly dereference the pointer when any index other than '* was provided, whereas in t

Re: setting open files limit for daemon processes

> i'd be happy to play with this, but i don't know how to run a Guix VM that is > built using my modified Shepherd; i.e. i have no idea how to test what i'm > doing. it actually seems simpler than i thought: i edited the Shepherd package to: (source (git-checkout (url "file://my-path/shepherd/"))

Apology and proposal withdraw

Hi, Although I still think the update to the wording of v2.1 [1] is good, it appears to me that the thread is going out of rail again, breaching the current CoC: * Focusing on what is best for the community I was thinking that simply asking for an update would have been as smooth as in 2018 from

Re: Update CoC adapted from upstream 2.1 (instead of 1.4)

Taylan Kammer writes: > The inclusion of 'sex' in the CoC would be to recognize the issues > faced by female-born people. As far as I'm aware, no female-born > person has taken part in the discussion at all, because none seem > to exist in the community. (What a coincidence.) Actually there a

Re: setting open files limit for daemon processes

Attila Lendvai schreef op vr 25-02-2022 om 21:28 [+]: > is there a way to instruct `guix system vm ...` _not_ to rebuild all the > dependants, and only replace the Shepherd that is running as the init process? This can be done by customising the 'shepherd' field of 'shepherd- configuration', i

An appeal to empathy on actual hurt caused by this thread

Taylan, I respect you and your work. I don't think you realize how much hurt you've caused here, and I want to take your contributions at good faith. But this has continued for days and it has definitely hurt a lot. I just got out of a presentation that I've been in crunchmode preparing for all

Re:Re: [bug]: xfce4: xfpm-power-backlight-helper alway let me input password.

At 2022-02-25 17:09:25, "Zhu Zihao" wrote: > >tumashu writes: > >> i can not run gdm success, but have the problem too when run sddm. > >Try put a fontconfig file under /var/lib/sddm/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf > >cat > /var/lib/sddm/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf << "EOF" > >

Re: Update CoC adapted from upstream 2.1 (instead of 1.4)

Hi simon, I know I'm late to the party, but given how vocal I was in that other CoC thread and the positive feedback I received from other contributors for speaking out, I do think I have a valuable opinion here. Am Freitag, dem 25.02.2022 um 01:05 +0100 schrieb zimoun: > Hi, > > The current Gui

Re: Update CoC adapted from upstream 2.1 (instead of 1.4)

Lily, On 2022-02-26 1:48, Liliana Marie Prikler wrote: As a nice side-effect, adding it would give us two reasons to ban Taylan; first for discriminating against trans people based on their sex characteristics and second based on their gender identity or expression. This is a new low. we all

Re: An appeal to empathy on actual hurt caused by this thread

Hello! I am Morgan Lemmer-Webber, a cis-gendered woman who is a guix user (though not a developer). I have been an active member of the FOSS world, am co-host of a FOSS podcast, and overall have had delightful interactions with the guix community. As Christine said, I do also have a PhD in Art Hist

Re: An appeal to empathy on actual hurt caused by this thread

Hi Christine, Thank you for opening up. It was definitely not apparent to me that you had such a reaction to the thread. As we know, text doesn't convey the nuances of human communication very well, and I had read your initial emails as rather relaxed, or at worst mildly annoyed. Had I realized

Re: An appeal to empathy on actual hurt caused by this thread

Taylan, thank you for the thoughtful response and to listening to what I said. It's too close to bedtime for me to be able to respond coherently, but I will do so tomorrow. Just wanted to leave this hear in the meanwhile so it was clear you were heard. - Christine Taylan Kammer writes: > Hi

Re: Rename glibc-utf8-locales to glibc-limited-utf8-locales

I prefer names to not be lying about what they are, despite any documentation. It is a UX problem if the user has to search the documentation for any given package name before installing it, just to make sure that it contains what it says on the can so to speak. The name glibc-utf8-locales when co