[Groff] groff for Mac OSX

2005-06-07 Thread Miklos Somogyi
Is there a Mac OSX (Panther-Tiger) compiled version of groff available? Does anyone have a commented version of the "me" macros? Thank you very much, Miklos ___ Groff mailing list Groff@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/groff

[Groff] Would I dare to post here?

2005-10-16 Thread Miklos Somogyi
n, just please consider how would you feel on the receiving end of your own post. I wish you good luck and less use of destructive phrasing. Miklos Somogyi ___ Groff mailing list Groff@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/groff

[Groff] Would I dare to post here?

2005-10-16 Thread Miklos Somogyi
at you agree with this little perspective and then we can go back to the wonders and problems of groff. With a bit of humility, if possible. Miklos Somogyi ___ Groff mailing list Groff@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/groff

Re: [Groff] Would I dare to post here?

2005-10-17 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 17/10/2005, at 9:38 AM, Zvezdan Petkovic wrote: Trust me. You've made your point. I've learned something in the process. Me too. And that's all that matters. Friends? Miklos ___ Groff mailing list Groff@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman

Re: Printer memory [Was: RE: [Groff] slack4, groff and ps]

2005-10-17 Thread Miklos Somogyi
In the distant past I used troff with lots of math and printed on a PS laser with 8 MB memory and a 16 MHz processor, without the slightest problem. Nowadays there are lots of complaints regarding slw printing, for which HP's panacea is huge memory and a faster processor. Partly fair enough,

Re: [Groff] PS and "page background"

2005-10-17 Thread Miklos Somogyi
Mikkel, I don't know about 1.11 but higher versions definitely support PostScript. I would be surprised if 1.11 wouldn't. The inclusion of PS into a groff file seems to be very simple, but you need to know at least a day's learning of PS and groff to take advantage of this. I do "watermarks

Re: [Groff] PS and "page background"

2005-10-18 Thread Miklos Somogyi
27;ll need a good generic PS viewer too, but groffer sounds very interesting. Thank you Miklos On 19/10/2005, at 9:06 AM, Bernd Warken wrote: Miklos Somogyi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb am 17.10.05 13:59:35: You will also need a PS viewer. Others here will be in better position to give

Re: [Groff] Introduction

2005-10-18 Thread Miklos Somogyi
Larry, I say Amen to your dream. Until then I am looking for a wireless keyboard with lots of special keys, that are all mine, and enough space around them to put my notes there, that would do the same: insert markups etc into the file :-) Miklos On 19/10/2005, at 7:41 AM, Larry McVoy wrote

Re: [Groff] Introduction

2005-10-18 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 19/10/2005, at 7:19 AM, Meg McRoberts wrote: Older engineers know (or once knew) some *roff... Not so much the younger ones. A whole generation went through college without learning much of anything about Unix/Linux, sadly. I work with a lot of fairly decent engineers who don't really un

Re: [Groff] Introduction

2005-10-18 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 19/10/2005, at 3:18 PM, Clarke Echols wrote: The problem is that these engineers don't have managers with sense enough to lean on them to learn to use better tools to get more done in less time. By learning to use the tools, and nothing more complicated than simple shell scripts (I don't ha

Re: [Groff] PS and "page background"

2005-10-19 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 19/10/2005, at 6:07 PM, Jim Reid wrote: On Oct 19, 2005, at 03:28, Miklos Somogyi wrote: Bernd, thank you very much for the idea. I'll try when I'll have X windows. I would like to install Tiger and the the whole X environment on my Mac, but I wait until I am sure that

Re: [Groff] PS and "page background"

2005-10-19 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 19/10/2005, at 6:07 PM, Jim Reid wrote: On Oct 19, 2005, at 03:28, Miklos Somogyi wrote: Bernd, thank you very much for the idea. I'll try when I'll have X windows. I would like to install Tiger and the the whole X environment on my Mac, but I wait until I am sure that

Fwd: [Groff] PS and "page background"

2005-10-19 Thread Miklos Somogyi
Begin forwarded message: From: Miklos Somogyi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 19 October 2005 7:53:47 PM To: Jim Reid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: groff@gnu.org Subject: Re: [Groff] PS and "page background" On 19/10/2005, at 6:07 PM, Jim Reid wrote: On Oct 19, 2005, at 03:28

Re: [Groff] Introduction

2005-10-20 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 19/10/2005, at 11:23 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: For me a much better documentation would be enough, [...] Have you actually looked at groff.texinfo? A pdf-Version can be found at http://groff.ffii.org/groff/groff-1.19.2.pdf Comments (and patches!) to improve this are highly welcome.

Re: [Groff] Introduction

2005-10-21 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 22/10/2005, at 6:00 AM, Larry McVoy wrote: I'm not sure how you are going to get more roff users when the first thing they see is the project not using its own product. A documentation tool where the documentation for it is written in a different tool? Come on, nobody is going to say "

Re: [Groff] Getting a background color

2005-10-22 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 22/10/2005, at 4:21 PM, Clarke Echols wrote: Thanks to all who responded to my question about building a presentation using groff instead of PowerPoint. The ideas were very good, and I may still pursue them. As for now, I was looking for a way to do what I needed to do using groff, going t

[Groff] Floating point arithmetic in groff

2006-01-31 Thread Miklos Somogyi
When implementing a feature requires less work than a few workarounds, isn't it time to implement the feature :-) ? Miklos ___ Groff mailing list Groff@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/groff

Re: [Groff] Floating point arithmetic in groff

2006-02-01 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 01/02/2006, at 3:31 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: When implementing a feature requires less work than a few workarounds, isn't it time to implement the feature :-) ? Hehe. Have a look at this old patch which I've received six years ago from Abramo. .. If you find it useful, and so

Re: [Groff] Floating point arithmetic in groff

2006-02-07 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 07/02/2006, at 11:06 PM, Bruno Haible wrote: Werner Lemberg wrote: I then hesitated to add it to groff because it adds code which produces platform-dependent results, the situation has become much better, and today most of the IEEE implementations appear to work fine. Results of elem

[Groff] setpagedevice

2006-02-16 Thread Miklos Somogyi
Dear Folks, Whilst transferring things from my old SGI to the new shiny PowerMac I got some problems with my PS files: my new viewers clipped and/or rotated them. The use of setpagedevice to explicitly define page size put an end to the miseries. This politically correct way to do things was i

Re: [Groff] setpagedevice

2006-02-17 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 17/02/2006, at 9:38 AM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: o The paper size is now emitted via the %%DocumentMedia and PageSize mechanisms so that it is no longer required to tell `gv' or `ps2pdf' about the paper size. The `broken' flag value 16 omits this feature (the used PostScript command `s

Re: [Groff] (no subject)

2006-02-18 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 17/02/2006, at 9:31 PM, mikkel meinike wrote: He I have made a book for kids. I would like to try to make it in groff. It is mostly images going all the way to the borders of the pages.Ttext is printed over the pictures. In order to see text i sometimes have to change the color of the text.

[Groff] begin page blues

2006-02-18 Thread Miklos Somogyi
Dear Experts, There's something that drives me crazy. If I start a page with something indented, it gets printed 1v lower than otherwise. What is this "first line is different" thing? Can you save me from the asylum (or vice versa)? Miklos PS: I use the "me" macros and have tried .br and .r

[Groff] Re: begin page blues

2006-02-18 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 19/02/2006, at 1:38 AM, Miklos Somogyi wrote: Dear Experts, There's something that drives me crazy. If I start a page with something indented, it gets printed 1v lower than otherwise. What is this "first line is different" thing? Can you save me from the asylum (or vice

Re: [Groff] Re: begin page blues

2006-02-19 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 19/02/2006, at 8:52 AM, (Ted Harding) wrote: On 18-Feb-06 Miklos Somogyi wrote: [...] Here the red Hello2 Hello3 are one space to the right of the black ones. Does anyone know the how and why of this space? [...] Yes -- it comes from the LF in the input that follows \X'ps: exec

Re: [Groff] Re: begin page blues

2006-02-21 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 20/02/2006, at 7:14 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: Currently I hide the \Y in a macro, followed by .sp -1 and use the macro instead of \Y in the main text. It's not a tragedy, just finding a hiding place for every PS insert, if indeed this is the only to do it, is quite a bit of inconvenience

Re: [Groff] Re: begin page blues

2006-02-21 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 21/02/2006, at 7:42 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: This should be rather straightforward to implement (and IMHO it's always a good idea to have both escapes and requests for the same thing). Can you suggest request names for those two escapes? [...] E.g. a version that uses save/restore rathe

[Groff] Manuals in pdf format

2006-02-22 Thread Miklos Somogyi
Manuals in pdf format are very useful. You can search, jump, etc. A few points, though: - If there's a reference to page N in the text, you need to add viii to it. What's more: you have to remember to add ... That' difficult, you know. The simplest thing to do is to use 9 after viii, not 1

[Groff] How to pass parameters to included ps

2006-02-23 Thread Miklos Somogyi
How would I pass arbitrary ps parameters to an included ps routine? E.g. .something 50 (hello) 100 where .de something . \Y[something-aux] .. and .de something-aux ps: exec == flush % show paramete

Re: [Groff] Re: begin page blues

2006-02-24 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 23/02/2006, at 6:33 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: Regarding the implementation of the \Y equivalent perhaps it is useful to have a look at how SGI-troff-Adobe-ps handled the situation. Well, the .devicem macro will be exactly the same as \Y. To create similar code with grops you have to use t

Re: [Groff] RE: List delays

2006-02-25 Thread Miklos Somogyi
http://lists.gnu.org/pipermail/groff/ which is spam-free (almost). Nevertheless, I continue to wonder if the incidence of spam is causing problems at lists.gnu.org; and I continue (a In the last few days I received 3 or 4 e-mails 'bout sex movies and the like. I deleted them on the spo

Re: [Groff] Manuals in pdf format

2006-02-27 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 27/02/2006, at 7:33 AM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: - If there's a reference to page N in the text, you need to add viii to it. What's more: you have to remember to add ... That' difficult, you know. Well, there are clickable links everywhere: table of contents, indices, etc.. Where exac

Re: [Groff] Manuals in pdf format

2006-03-01 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 28/02/2006, at 8:55 AM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: In general it is good to follow rules, most of the time they are for our benefit. Sometimes circumstances change and rules need to be modified. This "i, ii, ..., 1, 2" system was all right in the age of paper 'cause any-one page had only one pa

Re: [Groff] Manuals in pdf format

2006-03-01 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 01/03/2006, at 10:14 AM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: Hmmm. Since PDF version 1.3, there is direct support for this: It is possible to define a PageLabels dictionary. This thing remind me of OpenGL's handling of normal vectors. You are exaggerating. Yes, Sir! The best way to make a point :

Re: [Groff] The bottom is always ok, the head never is

2006-03-08 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 26/02/2006, at 12:04 AM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: I use me (the macro package, I mean) to produce these things and more. I can't comment on -me since I've never used it. Then I'd like to try the MS package. Could you post the description of the header/footer macros please? Btw, the HT m

Re: [Groff] The bottom is always ok, the head never is

2006-03-09 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 09/03/2006, at 4:20 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: I can't comment on -me since I've never used it. Then I'd like to try the MS package. Could you post the description of the header/footer macros please? What information do you need which isn't covered in groff_ms.man and groff.info? I cou

Re: [Groff] Re: begin page blues

2006-03-10 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 24/02/2006, at 6:50 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: Well, the .devicem macro will be exactly the same as \Y. To create similar code with grops you have to use the `ps: def ...' grops command to define a PS macro which is then executed with `ps: exec' -- I'm sure you know that :-) I wouldn't do

Fwd: [Groff] How to pass parameters to included ps

2006-03-10 Thread Miklos Somogyi
Begin forwarded message: From: Miklos Somogyi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 10 March 2006 9:56:05 PM To: Werner LEMBERG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Groff] How to pass parameters to included ps On 24/02/2006, at 5:53 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: How would I pass arbitrary ps p

Re: [Groff] How to pass parameters to included ps

2006-03-10 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 10/03/2006, at 11:22 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: Since this is the one and only example in `man grops' regarding PostScript, I can still see some problems: [...] Patches please :-) Users can do that far better than the programmers... To create them, let's assume that the original file is c

[Groff] More arguments, please :-)

2006-03-10 Thread Miklos Somogyi
I've just discovered the `blm' macro. I think that I'll use it like this: .blm sp4 .de sp4 .sp .4 .. 'cause I can read thing better with blank lines than with individual `.sp .4` inserts. Here blm has an argument, a macro. If the macro could have an argument too: .blm macro macro_parameter

Re: [Groff] PS printing - was Re: `Idot' vs. `Idotaccent'

2006-03-10 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 11/03/2006, at 1:28 AM, Michail Vidiassov wrote: Dear All, let us run some survey. Please, tell us, how do you use groff PS output. Do you know how other people use it? Is it really in use? Do you use fonts supplied with groff or install your own font files? Werner is now desiding what to

Re: [Groff] Manuals in pdf format

2006-03-10 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 03/03/2006, at 9:35 PM, Tadziu Hoffmann wrote: Now the beauty of the thing is, that when you rotate a body, you rotate the normal vectors as well. When you translate or scale, you translate and scale the vertices, but not the normals. Now these "Whew!" guys transform the normals, always.

Re: [Groff] More arguments, please :-)

2006-03-10 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 11/03/2006, at 9:03 AM, Tadziu Hoffmann wrote: How about this: .de mysp .nr myspcnr (v;\\$1) .. .de myspcmac .sp \\n[myspcnr]u .. .blm myspcmac and then just say .mysp .4 if you want small spacing, or .mysp 1 if you want larger spacing, etc. Ted, Werner, Tadziu: t

Re: [Groff] Re: begin page blues

2006-03-12 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 11/03/2006, at 2:43 AM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: [...] you have to use the `.trf' request -- to define a macro `x' which contains the contents of file `f', say .ev 1 .di x . trf f .di .ev This can be then expanded with \\*f. BTW, there is a mild limitation that only valid groff

[Groff] Underline

2006-03-13 Thread Miklos Somogyi
Hello font folks, This is not a matter of life & death, just an annoyance. I'm writing the documentation of a subroutine library where, du to the number of routines, all names are prefixed for easy grouping/finding. There is an underline character in every name which does not look good in pr

Re: [Groff] Underline

2006-03-13 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 13/03/2006, at 7:20 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: There is an underline character in every name which does not look good in print. I had this problem even in troff where I tried to lift the underline character by translating it to \(ru. \[ru] is defined as follows in ps.tmac: .char \[ru]

Re: [Groff] Re: begin page blues

2006-03-14 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 14/03/2006, at 3:46 AM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: .ev 1 \" 1a) why is this necessary? .di x \" 1b) . trf psline.ps \" 1c) dumps psline.ps with \\$1 replaced onto macro x? .di \" 1d) .ev \" 1e) Why are 1a) and 1e) n

Re: [Groff] Inserting/importing jpeg photos into groff text?

2006-03-27 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 28/03/2006, at 6:06 AM, Clarke Echols wrote: I need to place a jpeg photo inside a groff document. I am running cygwin on Windows 98, and there is no indication that the convert utility is available in the Cygwin packages; at least none that I can find... Hence, no jpeg2ps is accessible,

Re: [Groff] gtroff & soelim don't recognize ~ in paths

2006-04-09 Thread Miklos Somogyi
Ditto. Environment variables too. Everything valid to the shell, should be valid to groff. Why? User convenience. Shouldn't this be consideration No 1? Slight problems: which shell, what OS? Again it raises the question: who is (or whom gnu.org targets as) a customer? From my admittedly self

Re: [Groff] gtroff & soelim don't recognize ~ in paths

2006-04-11 Thread Miklos Somogyi
I couldn't agree more. In many decades of programming engineering things I never lost sleep about IEEE compliance. And I don't intend to do CFD in groff, I just don't want to be distracted by the workarounds of doing floats with integers. Perl has no integer arithmetic at all. I may sound scary

[Groff] Diversion of formatted text

2006-04-15 Thread Miklos Somogyi
Hello all, I try to use a diversion to determine the height of a block of text, so that I can paint something underneath this block in PostScript. The following simplified example works nicely if no-fill is turned on. However, there are problems in fill mode. Spaces inserted in the text disappe

[Groff] Diversion of formatted text

2006-04-15 Thread Miklos Somogyi
Hello all, I try to use a diversion to determine the height of a block of text, so that I can paint something underneath this block in PostScript. The following simplified example works nicely if no-fill is turned on. However, there are problems in fill mode. Spaces inserted in the text disappea

Re: [Groff] PDF printing coming

2006-04-21 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 21/04/2006, at 7:34 PM, (Ted Harding) wrote: On 21-Apr-06 Michail Vidiassov wrote: though Linux will maintain PostScript support for a long time to ensure backward compatibility. I sincerely hope so. . all agreed that PDF will give them more power, more reliability, and more

Re: [Groff] Diversion of formatted text

2006-04-27 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 26/04/2006, at 4:33 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: By the way, since you have installed the .device and .devicem things, how can one get to use them? `.devicem' is exactly the same as \Y, but `.device' reads its arguments in `copy mode' (which \X doesn't; in most cases this doesn't make any dif

[Groff] PostScript in groff

2006-07-26 Thread Miklos Somogyi
In my previous post re this subject I wrote that the \X'ps: file ...' scheme uploaded the named PS file into the final PS form of the document verbatim. Unfortunately this is not true. I stated this because I was only looking at passing parameters, contents of number registers and strings to

[Groff] A nut to crack

2006-07-26 Thread Miklos Somogyi
Gents, A little problem makes my hair white, because I can not reproduce it in any other context. . ps 10 . vs .5c .de pB \" bulleted text . ne 1 . in \\$1n . ps -1 \\(bu . ne 0 . in +2n . ps . sp -1 .. Text above bulleted stuff . sp .2

[Groff] Spam filtering?

2006-07-26 Thread Miklos Somogyi
Ted, It seems that I can't communicate with the forum, at least in one direction. I suspect that once I marked a lot of messages from Harry/Molly,... on [EMAIL PROTECTED] as spam and finally Safari now blocks everybody, including Werner, on this address. Just to check whether the other dire

[Groff] Spam filtering?

2006-07-27 Thread Miklos Somogyi
Hello all, To add to my previous query: I found that my list delivery was disabled due to excessive bounces. Since I did not set up Safari to delete spam, I asked my ISP whether they bounced messages coming from you. This is their answer: Dear Miklos, Thank you for your e

Re: [Groff] PostScript in groff

2006-07-27 Thread Miklos Somogyi
Thanks Tadziu, it works. I'll make a note in the pdf attachment about this. Also, it seems, I'm getting list deliveries again. Hallelujah :-) Miklos On 28/07/2006, at 12:02 AM, Tadziu Hoffmann wrote: Unfortunately this one looks for `%!' and does not copy lines starting with these two cha

Re: [Groff] A nut to crack

2006-07-27 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 28/07/2006, at 4:25 PM, Miklos Somogyi wrote: Thousand apologies, Werner. I discovered .ptr I discovered a trap I discovered that there is perfection in this world: I perfectly forgot that I ever set one. Mea culpa, maxima culpa. 10 years ago this would not have happened ;-[ May I

[Groff] PostScript in groff

2006-07-31 Thread Miklos Somogyi
ps-in-groff.tar.gz Description: GNU Zip compressed data ___ Groff mailing list Groff@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/groff

Re: [Groff] A nut to crack

2006-08-06 Thread Miklos Somogyi
Finally I got a `problems' file. The suicidal trap seems to work like this: a) you append a `.rn wh_saved wh' to the macro to be sprung on reaching a certain height b) you rename the wh macro: `.rn wh wh_saved' c) you set-up the trap with wh_saved that will sprung a macro that does somethin

Re: [Groff] PostScript in groff

2006-09-02 Thread Miklos Somogyi
Werner, Thank you for your note. I already used the -P switch in the example, and now I changed the intro (page 2) to match this. Also, I deleted the `Draft` underlay so that you may decide to unleash this thing on the unsuspecting world :-) Please find the attachment, less than 40 kB. Mikl

[Groff] List delivery disabled

2006-09-07 Thread Miklos Somogyi
Fellas, I've found my list delivery disabled again at http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/options/groff It is due to excessive bounces (5 rejects) and this happened to me many times before. At least now I know why it happens. My ISP is legally obliged to bounce messages from blacklisted sites. Thes

Re: [Groff] List delivery disabled

2006-09-08 Thread Miklos Somogyi
Werner, thanks for the new bounce score. However, things will not improve much if we are regularly blacklisted. Miklos On 08/09/2006, at 4:31 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: I've found my list delivery disabled again at http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/options/groff It is due to excessive bounces (5

Re: [Groff] Background Image

2006-09-16 Thread Miklos Somogyi
Hello! Is it possible to insert a graphic as the background for a page? Sort of similar to the `epsf' special escape in enscript. Even better would be a way to define a PostScript `form' to be inserted on each page of output. This could be useful for letterhead or emulating pre-printed forms.

[Groff] Perspective in Pic

2006-10-23 Thread Miklos Somogyi
Ted, If you want to do 3d in groff, I think that PS is better suited for this than Pic. Here you can define an object in its own co-ordinate system, introduce modelling transformations to help in putting together complex objects from simple elements, and viewing transformations to rotate the

Re: [Groff] Perspective in Pic

2006-10-23 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 24/10/2006, at 8:46 AM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: PS. Fellas, I haven't received a single post from this forum for a very-very long time. How do you manage? Do you check the archives all the time or your ISP is not taking SpamCop so seriously as mine? Well, I get everything it seems.

[Groff] Line-drawing escape

2006-11-28 Thread Miklos Somogyi
Folks, I used this macro for inserting dots between left- and right aligned test, a la text1 . text2: .de iD \\$1 \\kx\\l'(\\n(.lu-\\nxu-\w'\\$2 'u).' \\$2 .. It worked in troff, it works in groff. I had an "insert space" version of this (replacing `.' with a space). It worked in t

Re: [Groff] Line-drawing escape

2006-11-28 Thread Miklos Somogyi
Clarke, Thank you, but I think that left- and right alignment works without referring to tabs in any way. The reason I am interested in this `line drawing' scheme is that, if it works, it can be used in many other cases as well. Thanks, Miklos On 29/11/2006, at 3:25 AM, Clarke Echols wrote:

Re: [Groff] Line-drawing escape

2006-11-28 Thread Miklos Somogyi
Tadziu, Thank you, it's working. Just one question: how do you switch-off `tr ~'? For me `tr ~~' does the job, but is `tr' smart enough not to look for `~' and replace it with `~'? Not a problemi if it is looking, I'm just curious. Thanks, Miklos On 29/11/2006, at 7:11 AM, Tadziu Hoffmann wr

Re: [Groff] Line-drawing escape

2006-11-29 Thread Miklos Somogyi
Ted, What a scholarly expose! This should be part of the manual. I've introduced .rchar and things are working nicely. Thank you very much, Miklos On 29/11/2006, at 9:40 PM, (Ted Harding) wrote: On 29-Nov-06 Miklos Somogyi wrote: Ted, Your solution and Tadziu's are rather s

[Groff] grops and formfeed

2006-12-07 Thread Miklos Somogyi
Hello Folks, Is there a way to tell grops not to look into side comments in the prologue and complain about "invalid input" if a formfeed is lurking there? Miklos ___ Groff mailing list Groff@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/groff

Re: [Groff] Unwanted margins in gpresent pdf

2006-12-17 Thread Miklos Somogyi
Tom, I've never used gpresent but I suspect that your .pdf file comes from a conversion from a .ps file. If so, the solution could be to define a cropbox somewhere in the .ps file, e.g. [/CropBox [80 50 520 800] /PAGES pdfmark that sets the cropbox for all pages for the .pdf file, or

Re: Re: [Groff] ESR in manpages versus the WEB

2007-01-03 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 03/01/2007, at 9:18 AM, Clarke Echols wrote: It is important to minimize clutter at the start of the page. and later on :-) the old AT&T page which combined them with a NAME line: cp, mv, ln \- copy, link, or move files Yeah, we had the same thing on our then top-of-the-world SGI syst

[Groff] Integral signs

2007-02-27 Thread Miklos Somogyi
Dear Folks, I need some integral signs with circles/ellipses around them (e.g. for control volumes). I've experimented a lot but only got something that is just acceptable in print, but downright ughhly in Preview and Acrobat. How would you stretch the circle of the double- and triple integra

Re: [Groff] Integral signs

2007-03-01 Thread Miklos Somogyi
, pic can still be rather useful. Thanks again, Miklos On 28/02/2007, at 7:06 PM, Joerg van den Hoff wrote: On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 01:42:38PM +1100, Miklos Somogyi wrote: Dear Folks, I need some integral signs with circles/ellipses around them (e.g. for control volumes). I've experim

Re: [Groff] Integral signs

2007-03-01 Thread Miklos Somogyi
spent quite a few hours to make these integrals so appealing. Thank you very-very much, Miklos On 28/02/2007, at 10:02 PM, Bob Diertens wrote: On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 01:42:38PM +1100, Miklos Somogyi wrote: Dear Folks, I need some integral signs with circles/ellipses around them (e.g. for co

Re: [Groff] Gettin' the latest

2007-06-11 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 11/06/2007, at 7:36 PM, Ralph Corderoy wrote: Hi Miklos, I don't understand why you emailed us an iamge of a web browser instead of telling us the URL or pasting in the page's content? Because it saved you getting to the web page. Because it contained the URL in case you wanted t

[Groff] Request "cf"

2008-02-16 Thread Miklos Somogyi
The 1.19.2 edition of groff documentation presents the trf and cf requests for including files in diversions. The trf request works well, but it does some processing of its input. The cf request is supposed to do the same as trf except it would not process its input in any way. Unfortunate

Re: [Groff] Request "cf"

2008-02-17 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 18/02/2008, at 5:33 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: Yes, .cf copies the external file (A and B) verbatim, but to the wrong place. Well, it works as documented... The documentation does not seem to say that (unlike .trf's) .cf's output goes only to the intermediate file, not any further. I

Re: [Groff] Request "cf"

2008-02-18 Thread Miklos Somogyi
Werner, I get all your e-mails in pairs (with the exact same date), a minute or so apart. On 18/02/2008, at 7:33 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: Yes, .cf copies the external file (A and B) verbatim, but to the wrong place. Well, it works as documented... The documentation does not seem to sa

Re: [Groff] Request "cf"

2008-02-22 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 23/02/2008, at 4:28 AM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: Werner, I get all your e-mails in pairs (with the exact same date), a minute or so apart. Yes, one from the groff list, and one directly from me. My mailing program automatically removes such duplicates... Well, PS is not the only output d

Re: [Groff] colored background?

2008-02-22 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 23/02/2008, at 3:52 PM, Michael(tm) Smith wrote: Tadziu Hoffmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 2008-02-22 18:07 +0100: I ask because for program listings and other "verbatim" output, dblatex and the DocBook XSL stylesheets for FO output cause the output to be rendered with a light-gray background

Re: [Groff] colored background?

2008-02-23 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 24/02/2008, at 5:52 AM, Clarke Echols wrote: Miklos Somogyi wrote: Yep, colour, just like anything else, can be abused. Also, colour can be elegant and its consistent and moderate use can help organize one's text very well. White only can be very boring, and by lack of its v

Re: [Groff] Request "cf"

2008-02-29 Thread Miklos Somogyi
Werner, I am glad to see the light at the end of the tunnel. In one of my early posts regarding actions a) .. e) I said that processing an eps image needed something "pre", then the image, then something "post". I reported the problem that with the current tools this required the making of

Re: [Groff] Request "cf"

2008-03-01 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 01/03/2008, at 6:32 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: In one of my early posts regarding actions a) .. e) I said that processing an eps image needed something "pre", then the image, then something "post". I probably didn't understand the situation to comment on this then. You say that the solu

Re: [Groff] Request "cf"

2008-03-12 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 02/03/2008, at 09:28 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: You say that you've found a solution using `.trf' -- please post it here. I haven't, you did. You taught me about this in bits an' pieces a year or so ago: [...] Uuh, how embarassing :-) Doing some debugging, I've found out that .trf does t

Re: [Groff] Request "cf"

2008-03-14 Thread Miklos Somogyi
[.] If you could manage avoiding ‘cooking’ with a a ’one-part series’ (Schemes 3 and 4), that would be GREAT. Then I would not even mind if I could not understand its working :-) Hehe. This would need a new command in groff, and I'm not sure whether it's worth the trouble. [] T

Re: [Groff] Request "cf"

2008-03-15 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 15/03/2008, at 03:06 AM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: If you could manage avoiding ‘cooking’ with a a ’one-part series’ (Schemes 3 and 4), that would be GREAT. Then I would not even mind if I could not understand its working :-) Hehe. This would need a new command in groff, and I'm not sure whe

Re: [Groff] Request "cf"

2008-03-16 Thread Miklos Somogyi
[.] Development is always a matter of time. As you can see, I'm the only one basically who does some coding. And sadly, I can't afford much time for groff these day. [] There is perfection in this world. I've perfectly forgot about this. I am sorry I was pestering you. My apologies.

[Groff] eqn troubles

2008-09-29 Thread Miklos Somogyi
I worked with eqn quite a lot in troff days of past-not-so-perfect. It was rather easy to use. Now I try my luck with groff's eqn and can't get anything going. A simple groff program like this: .EQ x = y + z .EN .ex indicates a syntax error. No matter what is between .EQ and .EN, it is syn

Re: [Groff] eqn troubles

2008-09-29 Thread Miklos Somogyi
Ralph, 1) eqn filename -> syntax error "context is >>> x=y+z <<<", though it should work 2) grog filename -> groff -e filename groff -e filename -> syntax error 3) groff -e -ms filename -> syntax error (-ms is what you suggested) 4) alias gr "groff -set -I d

Re: [Groff] eqn troubles

2008-09-29 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 29/09/2008, at 11:06 PM, Ralph Corderoy wrote: Hi Miklos, (Please keep the list CC'd so it doesn't fall on only me to answer.) Sorry, after a very long lull I forgot this .. Did the two-line pipeline I provided work? No 1) eqn filename -> syntax error "context is >

Re: [Groff] eqn troubles

2008-09-29 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 29/09/2008, at 11:56 PM, Clarke Echols wrote: I wrote the following: start groff source file .ll 6.5i .pl 11i .sp |2.5i This is some text. .EQ x + y = z .EN This is another line of text. End of text. End of groff file I ran the command: eqn textfile.roff |groff >textfile.

Re: [Groff] eqn troubles

2008-09-29 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 29/09/2008, at 11:06 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: 1) eqn filename -> syntax error "context is >>> x=y+z <<<", though it should work According to your mailing program you are using a Mac. Please look up this list for bad groff binaries on Macs (this has been discussed a few t

Re: [Groff] eqn troubles

2008-09-29 Thread Miklos Somogyi
Dear Ralph, Werner, Clarke, Ted, Walter, Larry, Stefan, Robert, and Zvezdan! I am overwhelmed by your responses to this problem. To sum it up: 1) With Mac OS 10.5.5 Leopard came the groff suite of 1.19.2. It works ok except eqn that is not working at all. Not on Intel, not on IBM platf

[Groff] Line continuation

2008-10-25 Thread Miklos Somogyi
Hello, When one needs to break a long line, the continuation needs to start at the beginning of the next line. This spoils the readability of the file. I would like to have something like this: xxx \X ww where \X would cause groff to

Re: [Groff] Line continuation

2008-10-25 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 26/10/2008, at 02:44 AM, Larry Kollar wrote: Miklos Somogyi wrote: When one needs to break a long line, the continuation needs to start at the beginning of the next line. This spoils the readability of the file. I would like to have something like this: xxx

Re: [Groff] Line continuation

2008-10-26 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 26/10/2008, at 06:50 PM, Keith Marshall wrote: On Sunday 26 October 2008 01:22:38 Miklos Somogyi wrote: I need to start the remainder at the beginning of the next line. That would make my groff source less readable: xxx xxx

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