Re: [groff] groff and pipes

2019-08-07 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Steve, > And can anyone tell me why Donald Knuth did not design TeX this way? > This has always puzzled me and is the main reason I rarely use it. TeX was not developed on Unix. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TeX#History To this day it seems a poor fit. Emacs wasn't either. Thus its trait of

Re: [groff] groff and pipes

2019-08-07 Thread John Gardner
*> Thus its trait of littering non-text files around> on Unix due to the last line not ending in ASCII LF.* What do you mean? I've never seen Emacs do this (unless you mean those lockfile symlinks it creates whilst editing a file). *> Emacs wasn't either.* Well, we all know GNU's Not Unix. ;-)

Re: [groff] Unicode fonts output

2019-08-07 Thread Morten Bo Johansen
On 2019-08-06 Jean Louis wrote: > I do not have LinBiolinumR so I need to figure out what to place > instead on that place jus to try it out. Many fonts have these glyphs, e.g. Arial, but the stock groff fonts like Helvetica an Times seem to lack them. This also works for me: .AUTHOR"Yanni

Re: [groff] Unicode fonts output

2019-08-07 Thread Jean Louis
* Morten Bo Johansen [2019-08-07 14:47]: > On 2019-08-06 Jean Louis wrote: > > > I do not have LinBiolinumR so I need to figure out what to place > > instead on that place jus to try it out. > > Many fonts have these glyphs, e.g. Arial, but the stock groff > fonts like Helvetica an Times seem to

Re: [groff] Unicode fonts output

2019-08-07 Thread Jean Louis
* Dale Snell [2019-08-06 23:55]: > On Tue, Aug 6, 2019, 12:33 PM Jean Louis wrote > > How do I create U- fonts? > > The URW++ fonts (i.e., U-*) should be installed when you build > Groff. Maybe. I got it in GNU/Linux distribution, I did not build it myself. Maybe I should later. But I wish to t

Re: [groff] Unicode fonts output

2019-08-07 Thread Jean Louis
* Deri [2019-08-07 00:00]: > On Tuesday, 6 August 2019 20:33:14 BST Jean Louis wrote: > > * Peter Schaffter [2019-08-06 21:23]: > > > On Tue, Aug 06, 2019, Deri wrote: > > > > Two problems:- > > > > > > > > One, my solution used underscores when it should have used > > > > hyphens, so the magic

Re: [groff] MacTeX (was: groff and pipes)

2019-08-07 Thread Douglas Johnson
On Aug 07, 2019, at 08:40, John Gardner wrote: Installing TeX on macOS also requires a 3.9 GB download of the full MacTeX distribution, whereas Groff's source tree doesn't even consume that much space... Installing the full MacTeX distribution does indeed require around 4 GB of space. One ca

Re: [groff] Unicode fonts output

2019-08-07 Thread Jean Louis
* Deri [2019-08-07 00:00]: > locate n019003l.pfb # note an alpha ell (not numeric one) before the > .pfb ls /usr/share/grace/fonts/type1/ d05l.afm n019003l.pfb n019023l.afm n019024l.pfb n021004l.afm n021023l.pfb n022003l.afm n022004l.pfb n022024l.afm s05l.pfb d05l.pfb n0190

Re: [groff] groff and pipes

2019-08-07 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi John, > *> Thus its trait of littering non-text files around> on Unix due to the > last line not ending in ASCII LF.* You weird quoting is broken; see `around>'. > What do you mean? I've never seen Emacs do this (unless you mean those > lockfile symlinks it creates whilst editing a file). Cr

Re: [groff] groff and pipes

2019-08-07 Thread John Gardner
> Creating a new file in Emacs with a line of ‘hello world!’ would create > a file that did not end in a linefeed. Oh, that's what you meant. You said "non-text files", so I assumed you were talking about binary formats. > You weird quoting is broken; see `around>'. Yikes. Okay, I know now not t

Re: [groff] groff and pipes

2019-08-07 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi John, > You said "non-text files", so I assumed you were talking about binary > formats. Unix, and POSIX, define a text file as zero or more lines of zero or more characters, each terminated by LF. If it's not text then it's binary. ;-) -- Cheers, Ralph.

Re: [groff] MacTeX (was: groff and pipes)

2019-08-07 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso
Douglas Johnson wrote in <20190807133230.ga25...@panix.com>: |On Aug 07, 2019, at 08:40, John Gardner wrote: | |>Installing TeX on macOS also requires a 3.9 GB download of the full |>MacTeX distribution, whereas Groff's source tree doesn't even consume |>that much space... | |Installing th