Re: [Groff] Wrapping Text Arond Figures and Captions

2013-01-25 Thread Patrik Schindler
Hi Frank, Am 23.01.2013 um 22:53 schrieb Frank Jahnke: > I would like to revisit a topic that has come up from time to time over > the years but really has not been solved. That is wrapping text around > figures and their captions. Yes, I am still aware of this topic and it still has a place o

Re: [Groff] GPL or FDL

2013-01-25 Thread walter harms
Am 25.01.2013 00:52, schrieb Colin Watson: > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:54:43PM +0100, Bernd Warken wrote: >> This mail goes to the Debian admins. I think that's mostly >> Colin Watson. > > Exclusively me; I have no co-maintainers of the groff package at > present. That said, the General Resolu

Re: [Groff] GPL or FDL

2013-01-25 Thread Colin Watson
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 10:41:45AM +0100, walter harms wrote: > Am 25.01.2013 00:52, schrieb Colin Watson: > > At present, I see no need to rock the boat by changing anything; the > > dual-licensing of documentation files seems adequate. > > NTL, for some people that is an issue and i am not a fri

Re: [Groff] Wrapping Text Arond Figures and Captions

2013-01-25 Thread Denis M. Wilson
Hello all, On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 09:02:58 +0100 Patrik Schindler wrote: > Hi Frank, > > Am 23.01.2013 um 22:53 schrieb Frank Jahnke: > > > I would like to revisit a topic that has come up from time to time > > over the years but really has not been solved. That is wrapping > > text around figur

Re: [Groff] Wrapping Text Arond Figures and Captions

2013-01-25 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Denis, > What I cannot see is how to wrap text round a non-centred pic, or even > harder, something like: > > > > x .-. xx > x | | x

Re: [Groff] Wrapping Text Arond Figures and Captions

2013-01-25 Thread Denis M. Wilson
Hello Ralph, The basic problem is to split the lines into a lot of segments of different lengths -- pasting the segments into place would then be possible. The solution to the centred picture is to make the line length equal to the left/right margin, and paste each with one-line traps (or the dive

Re: [Groff] GPL or FDL

2013-01-25 Thread Bernd Warken
I will move all man-pages where I'm among the authors from FDL to GPL. Next I will transform all GPL man-pages into the following structure: ### .TH ... @MAN1EXT@ "@MDATE@" "Groff Version @VERSION@" .SH NAME ... \- ... groff ... . .SH "SYNOPSIS" .\" The .SH was moved to th

Re: [Groff] GPL or FDL

2013-01-25 Thread James K. Lowden
On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 16:42:05 +0100 (CET) "Bernd Warken" wrote: > So which license should we prefer for documentation files: > - make all documentation files into GPL > - make all documentation files into FDL > - keep the licenses of all files as they are I have an innocent, basic question: Why

Re: [Groff] GPL or FDL

2013-01-25 Thread Bernd Warken
> Von: "James K. Lowden" > > On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 16:42:05 +0100 (CET) > "Bernd Warken" wrote: > > > So which license should we prefer for documentation files: > > - make all documentation files into GPL > > - make all documentation files into FDL > > - keep the licenses of all files as they ar

Re: [Groff] Wrapping Text Arond Figures and Captions

2013-01-25 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> The basic problem is to split the lines into a lot of segments of > different lengths -- pasting the segments into place would then be > possible. We are leaving the area of automatic text processing and entering the realms of a visual layout program. It's OK to have an image centered, since t

Re: [Groff] GPL or FDL

2013-01-25 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> .\" > .SH "AUTHOR" > .\" > .author > . > . > .\" > .SH "COPYING" > .\" --

Re: [Groff] GPL or FDL

2013-01-25 Thread James K. Lowden
On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 17:48:20 +0100 (CET) "Bernd Warken" wrote: > By public domain, the OS Unix is free for all, so it is free for me. > So it belongs to me. So I am free to say that it is no more free to > anyone else A copyrighted publication can include works in the public domain, but those w

Re: [Groff] GPL or FDL

2013-01-25 Thread Bernd Warken
> Von: "Werner LEMBERG" > > > > It seems necessary to have the leading .TH and .SH at the top before > > the "Legalese". > > Yes. Have a look at some changes done by Eric S. Raymond to get a > structure which is easily parseable by `doclifter'. I checked what Eric wrote in the Changelogs. But he

Re: [Groff] GPL or FDL

2013-01-25 Thread Daode
"Bernd Warken" wrote: |I will not follow that line. A roff that accepts only 2-letter-macros |today has no chance to survive. | |The original RUNOFF had very long command names, for example |.ADJUST | |Each command had an abbreviation of 2 letters, with the lang name as the |standard. But

Re: [Groff] GPL or FDL

2013-01-25 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Bernd, > I will move all man-pages where I'm among the authors from FDL to GPL. Out of curiousity, can you do that without the other authors' explicit agreement? Cheers, Ralph.

Re: [Groff] GPL or FDL

2013-01-25 Thread Bernd Warken
> Von: "Ralph Corderoy" > > > I will move all man-pages where I'm among the authors from FDL to GPL. > > Out of curiousity, can you do that without the other authors' explicit > agreement? > > Cheers, Ralph. Of course I will ask them privately. Bernd Warken

Re: [Groff] GPL or FDL

2013-01-25 Thread Werner LEMBERG
>> I will move all man-pages where I'm among the authors from FDL to >> GPL. > > Out of curiousity, can you do that without the other authors' explicit > agreement? Actually, the authors have assigned the copyright to the FSF, so Bernd has to ask the FSF (and only the FSF) how to proceed. I'm n

Re: [Groff] GPL or FDL

2013-01-25 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> |I protest against this bullshit and use long macro names. So the > |weak commercial roff programs should see where they are. Forget > |about them. > > Wow! Are you willing to overcome one restriction all roffs afaik have > and that makes me write terrible crap like > > .ds S:LIST_BULL