Request for a choice

2011-04-30 Thread Tim Murphy
Hi, I am using Fedora Core 15 and am not happy with the new shell. I don't wish to start a flamewar so I'm not going to list any points about it or waste time arguing about the details. This link explains how I feel probably better than I could myself: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/gnome-3.

Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-05 Thread Tim Murphy
On 5 May 2011 18:55, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 10:48 -0700, Micah Carrick wrote: >> I'll give you a quick answer to that... >> When we first switch to GNOME 3, many of us did not realize we were >> not upgrading, but switching to a completely new beast. I actually had >> t

Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-05 Thread Tim Murphy
On 5 May 2011 19:29, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > > > On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Tim Murphy wrote: >> There are hidden negatives too - the linux users in my office, for >> example, tried it and gave up or gave it no chance at all -  they are >> using XFCE or just

Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-05 Thread Tim Murphy
On 5 May 2011 21:44, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > Boy i wish I read my responses more carefully.. my English is generally > better than this :P > > sri Please don't worry on my account - my fingers tend to write whole words that my brain did not specify or miss out ones that it did and I am quite s

Usability studies

2011-05-12 Thread Tim Murphy
I don't think this will change anyone's mind and I hope that it is not annoying but I think it might be worth a read: http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3933061/Are-Usability-Studies-Hurting-the-Free-Desktop.htm Regards, Tim -- You could help some brave and decent people to have

Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-18 Thread Tim Murphy
On 17 May 2011 20:55, Ryan Peters wrote: > > I've had to acclimatise to all sorts of horrible interfaces after using >> better ones e.g. to Windows after Linux and you can get used to almost >> anything. I can even get to the point where it's difficult to get back >> into the thing you prefer b

Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-21 Thread Tim Murphy
On 19 May 2011 05:01, Ryan Peters wrote: > On 05/18/2011 09:47 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > > >> On 17 May 2011 20:55, Ryan Peters > slosh...@sbcglobal.net>> wrote: >> >> >>I've had to acclimatise to all sorts of horrible interfaces >>

Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-22 Thread Tim Murphy
On 22 May 2011 04:25, Ryan Peters wrote: > On 05/21/2011 12:42 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > The *only* potentially good reason I've heard for, say, wanting a window > list, is that some users like using the mouse and don't want to have to use > the keyboard. In some (not all) c

Re: The path of least blame

2011-08-08 Thread Tim Murphy
The whole problem sort of comes from the fact that the idea of an "Application" is an oddity. What we really have are objects in the users' perspective - web pages of streams of commands in a terminal or documents in an editor. Thinking about "Applications" gets in the way of seeing the problem -

Re: The 'Let's make it really easy for users interface'

2011-09-21 Thread Tim Murphy
I like the fact that people cannot fail to know that workspaces exist when they see this - i.e. it's not a hidden capability or one that requires a person to interpret the meaning of some odd little diagram. Regards, Tim On 20 September 2011 18:37, Jeroen Verhoeckx wrote: > Hello Gnome Develo

Re: Gnome 3 desktop issues

2011-12-09 Thread Tim Murphy
Hi, Quite a few people have mentioned the same thing on this mailing list, including myself. You'll get told: 1) to keep trying till you change your mind 2) that if you don't change your mind it's because you're old 3) that other people's grandmothers, who know no better anyhow, are able to use i

Re: Gnome 3 desktop issues

2011-12-09 Thread Tim Murphy
and make it extremely difficult for you to escape it and I call it "progress" you'll be upset. I could do any old crap and describe it as being new. Regards, Tim > On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Quite a few people hav

Re: Gnome 3 desktop issues

2011-12-09 Thread Tim Murphy
Fallback mode doesn't work properly either for a number of reasons (e.g. still no applets so difficult to have my world clock etc etc) and there has been a lot of talk about how it's going away - I and others want something sustainable that has a future. It was also didn't work without extra speci

Re: Gnome 3 desktop issues

2011-12-09 Thread Tim Murphy
On 9 December 2011 20:18, Tassilo Horn wrote: > Tim Murphy writes: > > Hi Tim, > >>>>Essentially if you don't like it then it's apparently your fault. >>> is a fair thing to say. It's different and it's new. You CAN move to >>> s

Re: Gnome 3 desktop issues

2011-12-09 Thread Tim Murphy
On 9 December 2011 22:52, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > On Fri, 2011-12-09 at 18:23 +0000, Tim Murphy wrote: >> Quite a few people have mentioned the same thing on this mailing list, >> including myself.  You'll get told: >> 1) to keep trying till you change your mind >

Re: Design choice for suspend option only

2012-03-02 Thread Tim Murphy
On 2 March 2012 22:03, Mark Blakeney wrote: > On Fri, 02 Mar 2012 09:43:20 -0600, Josh Leverette wrote: >> I agree it's the right way forward, but users don't see it that way >> and there's no reason to force it. > > Josh, why is it the "right way forward"? Can somebody please provide a > link to