Re: gnome-shell-list Digest, Vol 38, Issue 27 Message 6

2011-12-09 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Thomas C Gilliard < satel...@bendbroadband.com> wrote: > > > On 12/09/2011 04:00 PM, > gnome-shell-list-request@**gnome.orgwrote: > >> Message: 6 >> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 00:31:30 +0100 >> From: Bjoern Schiessle >> To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org >> Subject: small

Re: Gnome 3 desktop issues

2011-12-09 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 12:00:25AM +, Tim Murphy wrote: > Yes it's wrong because it is rude to assume that people have to agree > with you if they tried hard enough. It's amazing that this isn't > obvious and that's why it comes up again and again. Some people > listen, others don't. This is

Re: Gnome 3 desktop issues

2011-12-09 Thread Rovanion Luckey
Hi, There was this other thread which I decided not not to reply to since, well, it wouldn't really help anyone. But this seems to have turned into a friendly constructive conversation, hat off for Tassilo, so I'll throw in some thoughts. This person asked if anything was going to be done to stop

Re: encrypted home directory and GNOME Shell

2011-12-09 Thread Jasper St. Pierre
This is a bug in gvfs that has been fixed in the development version. The bugfix should come with GNOME 3.4. On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Bjoern Schiessle wrote: > Hi, > > I hope this is the right mailing list for my question. If I'm on the > wrong list please point me to the right one. > > I

Re: gnome-shell-list Digest, Vol 38, Issue 27 Message 6

2011-12-09 Thread Thomas C Gilliard
On 12/09/2011 04:00 PM, gnome-shell-list-requ...@gnome.org wrote: Message: 6 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 00:31:30 +0100 From: Bjoern Schiessle To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Subject: small screens and large config dialogs Message-ID:<4ee29a52.50...@schiessle.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UT

Re: Gnome 3 desktop issues

2011-12-09 Thread Tim Murphy
On 9 December 2011 22:52, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > On Fri, 2011-12-09 at 18:23 +, Tim Murphy wrote: >> Quite a few people have mentioned the same thing on this mailing list, >> including myself.  You'll get told: >> 1) to keep trying till you change your mind > > And people keep insisting

encrypted home directory and GNOME Shell

2011-12-09 Thread Bjoern Schiessle
Hi, I hope this is the right mailing list for my question. If I'm on the wrong list please point me to the right one. I have an encrypted home partition which gets decrypted and mounted during the boot process. GNOME Shell shows this home partition as a removable device in the system notification

small screens and large config dialogs

2011-12-09 Thread Bjoern Schiessle
Hi, I'm using GNOME3 for some time now and I really like it. But one thing gives me a hard time using GNOME3 on my 13" notebook: The configuration dialogs of some applications, e.g. managing my identities for Thunderbird, didn't fit on the screen. This makes it impossible to change my settings sin

Re: Gnome 3 desktop issues

2011-12-09 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Fri, 2011-12-09 at 18:23 +, Tim Murphy wrote: > Quite a few people have mentioned the same thing on this mailing list, > including myself. You'll get told: > 1) to keep trying till you change your mind And people keep insisting that asserting #1 is wrong. It isn't. I changed my mind; ini

Re: Gnome 3 desktop issues

2011-12-09 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Fri, 2011-12-09 at 10:58 -0700, Wendell Nichols wrote: > I've been using Linux in one form or another for almost 20 years to > write software. Yep, since Iggdrasil kernel 0.91a > and languages. I like linux because it is flexable... or was. I keep > all these desktops configured roughly th

Re: Gnome 3 desktop issues

2011-12-09 Thread Michael Hall
Because it's a legacy code base with a large amount of technical debt, there's not much future development left in it, but plenty of bugs. It's like maintaining a historic building, sure it's nice, and it'll be a shame if it gets torn down, but somebody will have to put more into maintaining it th

Re: How does one make program launchers?

2011-12-09 Thread Matt Novenstern
Hi Michael! On Wed, 2011-12-07 at 20:40 -0500, Michael Welsh Duggan wrote: > So, apologies in advance for the stupid question. I'm still trying to > figure out how Gnome 3 ticks. > > When running Gnome 2, I was able to make a program launcher that I could > add to the status bar in order to clic

Gnome Shell appears to break key grabbing rules

2011-12-09 Thread Chris Dekter
Hi list, I am the developer of an application named AutoKey. One of the features of AutoKey is allowing the user to create hotkeys. The hotkeys are grabbed using the xlib window.grab_key() function. In all other desktop environments to date, grabbing a hotkey in the root window using this met

Re: Gnome 3 desktop issues

2011-12-09 Thread David Collins
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: > > On 12/09/2011 03:52 PM, David Collins wrote: > >> ... People are just getting pissed off that they are not in control of >> the product. >> > > I would argue that anyone is able to write an extension because it is > open, which me

Re: Gnome 3 desktop issues

2011-12-09 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
On 12/09/2011 03:52 PM, David Collins wrote: ... People are just getting pissed off that they are not in control of the product. I would argue that anyone is able to write an extension because it is open, which means that they can control things to some extent. The primary barrier is likely

Re: Gnome 3 desktop issues

2011-12-09 Thread David Collins
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 5:07 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: > Although I am not over-joyed with many things about the current version of > Gnome, and there is some truth to what you say, I must say that I have > received many very helpful responses on this list. I consider it a failure > that

Re: Gnome 3 desktop issues

2011-12-09 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
Although I am not over-joyed with many things about the current version of Gnome, and there is some truth to what you say, I must say that I have received many very helpful responses on this list. I consider it a failure that the only way I was able to figure out how to shutdown my computer fro

Re: Open with Files?

2011-12-09 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
On 12/09/2011 03:12 AM, Alessandro Crismani wrote: Il giorno gio, 08/12/2011 alle 19.40 -0500, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak ha scritto: How about a bug / feature request that allows me to say "none of the above", because frequently I don't want the shell to do anything and I have no way to do this wi

Re: Gnome 3 desktop issues

2011-12-09 Thread Ross Burton
On 9 December 2011 21:24, Tim Murphy wrote: > Yes, I have used them all and they're all deficient in one way or > another.  I have also used twm, FVWM, ROX, sawfish, gnome1, cde, > Nextstep, GEM, OSX, GNOME2, GEOS, OS/2, BeOS and half a dozen other > things and GNOME2 is the least bad that I could

Re: Gnome 3 desktop issues

2011-12-09 Thread Wendell Nichols
Hmm, quite a tempest! Not my intention to be inflammatory honest. I think that if I were to criticise the direction of desktop software (gnome and unity) it would be that they are trying to find ways to get new people to use the platform without due consideration for existing users. One of m

Re: Gnome 3 desktop issues

2011-12-09 Thread Tim Murphy
On 9 December 2011 20:18, Tassilo Horn wrote: > Tim Murphy writes: > > Hi Tim, > Essentially if you don't like it then it's apparently your fault. >>> is a fair thing to say. It's different and it's new. You CAN move to >>> something else if you don't like it. >> >> This, to put it very polit

Re: Gnome 3 desktop issues

2011-12-09 Thread Tassilo Horn
Rovanion Luckey writes: Hi Rovanion, > Wandells complaints were more on the way the software is developed > rather than the software itself. That those who come to this list with > suggestions and ideas are verbally berated and otherwise treated badly > because they do not fit within the target

Re: Gnome 3 desktop issues

2011-12-09 Thread David Collins
Sorry Rovanion but I have to disagree with you. Change is part of the game. And some people aren't going to like it. That's not being a snob or a jerk. Expecting everyone to bend around you IS. And as far as treating people badly...it's not the GNOME community treating others poorly in THIS thread.

Re: Gnome 3 desktop issues

2011-12-09 Thread Rovanion Luckey
Hi Tassilo, Wandells complaints were more on the way the software is developed rather than the software itself. That those who come to this list with suggestions and ideas are verbally berated and otherwise treated badly because they do not fit within the target audience of Gnome Shell. What you

Re: Gnome 3 desktop issues

2011-12-09 Thread Tassilo Horn
Tim Murphy writes: Hi Tim, >>>Essentially if you don't like it then it's apparently your fault. >> is a fair thing to say. It's different and it's new. You CAN move to >> something else if you don't like it. > > This, to put it very politely, is manure. > > It has been a huge struggle to find an

Re: Gnome 3 desktop issues

2011-12-09 Thread Tim Murphy
Fallback mode doesn't work properly either for a number of reasons (e.g. still no applets so difficult to have my world clock etc etc) and there has been a lot of talk about how it's going away - I and others want something sustainable that has a future. It was also didn't work without extra speci

Re: Gnome 3 desktop issues

2011-12-09 Thread Wendell Nichols
Yes, I'm using it on one of my vm's. However it isn't clear that this will be supported very far into the future so I don't want to get cornered into a spot where I don't have an acceptable upgrade path. Though thats where I am now isn't it, so maybe I should just do that for the time being..

Re: Gnome 3 desktop issues

2011-12-09 Thread Diego Fernandez
Fallback mode is nothing more than the LOOKS of Gnome2... functionality is not the same, although it does have the basics. I agree Gnome 3 in its current state is not for everyone, although I believe it will have improved a lot by 3.4 or 3.6. In the meantime however, have you tried XFCE? On Fri,

Re: Gnome 3 desktop issues

2011-12-09 Thread Daniel Hernandez Bahr
Have you taken a look at the Gnome Fallback Mode?? It is esentially the same as the old Gnome 2. It bothers me that some people need to fork Gnome2 when there is the Gnome Fallback Mode which provides the old functionality for those not able(willing) to adapt to the new user experience proposal..

Re: Gnome 3 desktop issues

2011-12-09 Thread Tim Murphy
On 9 December 2011 18:29, David Collins wrote: > I don't think: >>Essentially if you don't like it then it's apparently your fault. > is a fair thing to say. It's different and it's new. You CAN move to > something else if you don't like it. This, to put it very politely, is manure. It has been

Re: Gnome 3 desktop issues

2011-12-09 Thread David Collins
I don't think: >Essentially if you don't like it then it's apparently your fault. is a fair thing to say. It's different and it's new. You CAN move to something else if you don't like it. But change cannot be held up because some people are unwilling to alter their workflow. I don't speak for GNOME

Re: Gnome 3 desktop issues

2011-12-09 Thread Tim Murphy
Hi, Quite a few people have mentioned the same thing on this mailing list, including myself. You'll get told: 1) to keep trying till you change your mind 2) that if you don't change your mind it's because you're old 3) that other people's grandmothers, who know no better anyhow, are able to use i

Re: Gnome 3 desktop issues

2011-12-09 Thread Jasper St. Pierre
You can try installing multiple of the extensions at http://extensions.gnome.org to see if you can get a setup you're comfortable with. On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Wendell Nichols wrote: > I've been using Linux in one form or another for almost 20 years to write > software.  My desktop is bu

Gnome 3 desktop issues

2011-12-09 Thread Wendell Nichols
I've been using Linux in one form or another for almost 20 years to write software. My desktop is busy and I keep connections to about 10 other desktops open for testing and development on other acrhitectures and languages. I like linux because it is flexable... or was. I keep all these desk

Re: extensions.gnome.org

2011-12-09 Thread David Collins
Ah nice. Didn't know that individual compiled files could be used (as opposed to one gigantic one - /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/gschemas.compiled). On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 6:32 AM, Giovanni Campagna wrote: > Il giorno ven, 09/12/2011 alle 04.35 -0500, David Collins ha scritto: > > Just out of cur

Re: extensions.gnome.org

2011-12-09 Thread Giovanni Campagna
Il giorno ven, 09/12/2011 alle 04.35 -0500, David Collins ha scritto: > Just out of curiosity, how will the gsettings schemas be compiled ? Will > 'glib-compile-schemas' run everytime a new extension is installed? You mean in the glorious 3.4 future? Extensions are expected to come with a gschema.

Re: Small usability problem

2011-12-09 Thread Milan Bouchet-Valat
Le vendredi 09 décembre 2011 à 11:30 +0100, shuihuzh...@free.fr a écrit : > Hi everybody, > > Maybe I'm the only one, but I still use the bottom arrow of > scrollbars. But when the window is maximized, I can't click on it > because the mouse triggers the "notification area" (don't remember the > r

Small usability problem

2011-12-09 Thread shuihuzhuan
Hi everybody, Maybe I'm the only one, but I still use the bottom arrow of scrollbars. But when the window is maximized, I can't click on it because the mouse triggers the "notification area" (don't remember the right word) of the bottom right corner. Maybe that hotspot could be moved instead to

Re: extensions.gnome.org

2011-12-09 Thread David Collins
Just out of curiosity, how will the gsettings schemas be compiled ? Will 'glib-compile-schemas' run everytime a new extension is installed? Thanks! On Dec 9, 2011 3:34 AM, "Bastien Durel" wrote: > Le jeudi 08 décembre 2011 à 23:12 +0100, Giovanni Campagna a écrit : > > Il giorno gio, 08/12/2011

Re: extensions.gnome.org

2011-12-09 Thread Bastien Durel
Le jeudi 08 décembre 2011 à 23:12 +0100, Giovanni Campagna a écrit : > Il giorno gio, 08/12/2011 alle 23.05 +0100, Bernd Schlapsi ha scritto: > > Hello, > > > > how do I correctly define/create an extension which uses gsettings to > > store some extension spezific settings? [...] > The short answ

Re: Open with Files?

2011-12-09 Thread Alessandro Crismani
Il giorno gio, 08/12/2011 alle 19.40 -0500, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak ha scritto: > How about a bug / feature request that allows me to say "none of the > above", because frequently I don't want the shell to do anything and > I > have no way to do this without either ejecting the newly mounted > dr