Am Tue, 4 Aug 2015 00:37:54 +0100
schrieb Neil Bothwick :
> On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 08:50:24 -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>
> > > Is this server-related? I have only simple workstations/laptops and I
> > > don't enable systemd-networkd at all. It seems that NetworkManager
> > > takes care of bo
Am Wed, 5 Aug 2015 12:37:30 +0200
schrieb Alan McKinnon :
> On 05/08/2015 09:00, Marc Joliet wrote:
> > Am Tue, 04 Aug 2015 23:13:20 -0400
> > schrieb Felix Miata :
> >
> >> Neil Bothwick composed on 2015-08-04 21:36 (UTC+0100):
> >>
> >>> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:32:51 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
>
On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:51:20 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> I'm sure plenty have found that to be the case. My problem is inability
> to connect the dots between the 12.1 column on
> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=gentoo and the
> instructions.
That link leads to the same page as if y
Am Wed, 5 Aug 2015 23:02:03 -0600
schrieb Jc García :
[...]
> Also sourceforge is a pretty decent host for publishing open source
> software, it offers wikis, mailing list, code repositories, in fact
> various projects use it to develop open source, you might be talking
> about softonic.
[...]
Ha
Jc García composed on 2015-08-05 23:57 (UTC-0600):
> Felix Miata composed:
>> Are you sure you read what I wrote and not what you think I wrote? Pages like
>> LMGTFY *leads to*, not LMGTFY. I was where that *leads to* yesterday and the
>> day before while progressing generally through wiki.gentoo
On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 03:59:44 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> 1-Distrowatch is what lead me to believe I could do something I wished
> to do.
Is it DistroWatch that led you to believe that what you wanted wasn't
the default to start with?
> e.g. https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:X86/Installation
On Wednesday 05 August 2015 17:52:28 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 16:26:02 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > Oh, and do you know why the handbook now says to include a tiny grub
> > partition before the boot partition, even on an MBR system?
>
> If you use GPT on a motherboard with B
On 06/08/2015 03:27, James wrote:
> OK so yes I know overlays in the wild can be disastrous.
> Reading the devmanual while parsing through various ebuilds
> both portage and in the wild, does make for some interesting
> reading:: ymmv.
>
> I'm not sure my overlay (kung_fu) is complete.
>
>
> 'la
Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
> > I booted x86_64 openSUSE 13.1 HD installation to try to begin Gentoo
> > installation, beginning from "Unpacking the stage tarball" on
> > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:X86/Installation/Stage :
> >
> > #
Neil Bothwick composed on 2015-08-06 08:33 (UTC+0100):
> I can think of no good reason to start with GRUB 0.97it.
I have hundreds of installations. Grub is simple and works. I'm not into
breaking what works.
>> Goal #2 is to get through that first pass
>> without any of systemd being installed.
I've started a new thread rather than hijacking the other one. I've made
several attempts at installing a btrfs system on what may be a too-old
machine, and Grant Edwards and I asked Rich for help.
On Wednesday 05 August 2015 13:55:09 Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Peter
On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 09:17:45 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Wednesday 05 August 2015 17:52:28 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 16:26:02 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > > Oh, and do you know why the handbook now says to include a tiny
> > > grub partition before the boot partitio
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> First, btrfs balance. I had no idea that was needed, so of course I didn't
> include it in my attempts. Could that be why, on booting, the kernel couldn't
> mount the file system?
I don't think that balancing an empty btrfs filesystem is necessary. It
On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 05:13:42 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> Neil Bothwick composed on 2015-08-06 08:33 (UTC+0100):
>
> > I can think of no good reason to start with GRUB 0.97.
>
> I have hundreds of installations. Grub is simple and works. I'm not into
> breaking what works.
So you already have a
On 06/08/2015 11:13, Felix Miata wrote:
>> Gentoo is not supposed to be easy, but if you'd just followed the
>> > handbook you would have got what you wanted.
> Choosing non-defaults breaks the flow, especially when a branch explanation
> ends before an answer emerges. It probably would have been e
On Thursday 06 August 2015 12:09:20 Jeremi Piotrowski wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > First, btrfs balance. I had no idea that was needed, so of course I didn't
> > include it in my attempts. Could that be why, on booting, the kernel
> > couldn't mount the file system?
>
> I
I'll skip the bits that were already dealt with.
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 5:19 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote:
>
> First, btrfs balance. I had no idea that was needed, so of course I didn't
> include it in my attempts. Could that be why, on booting, the kernel couldn't
> mount the file system?
It isn't
On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 07:18:08 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote:
> I'll skip the bits that were already dealt with.
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 5:19 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote:
>>
>> First, btrfs balance. I had no idea that was needed, so of course I didn't
>> include it in my attempts. Could that be why, o
On Wednesday 05 Aug 2015 22:47:43 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 05/08/2015 23:12, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 05, 2015 06:20:17 PM Mick wrote:
> >> On Wednesday 05 Aug 2015 11:47:58 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> >>> Much of what makes programming work has been dumbed down in recent
> >>> year
On 6 August 2015 at 09:50, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 06/08/2015 03:27, James wrote:
> > OK so yes I know overlays in the wild can be disastrous.
> > Reading the devmanual while parsing through various ebuilds
> > both portage and in the wild, does make for some interesting
> > reading:: ymmv.
> >
Bob Wya gmail.com> writes:
> I would concur with Alan.
Please do not encourage him...it like tossing peanuts at the zoo!
;-)
> The zugaina site is a very valuable resource.
Yea that's the collective (googling) wisdom:: zugaina.
> I happen to have an overlay in Layman and I ha
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 15:51:06 +0100, Bob Wya wrote:
> I happen to have an overlay in Layman and I have contacted Ycarus (who
> runs the zugaina site) when
> one of my packages wasn't sync'd with Layman. Apparently his site pulls
> in the overlays on an automated basis
> (cron job style). It is prett
2015-08-06 1:40 GMT-06:00 Marc Joliet :
> Am Wed, 5 Aug 2015 23:02:03 -0600
> schrieb Jc García :
>
> [...]
>> Also sourceforge is a pretty decent host for publishing open source
>> software, it offers wikis, mailing list, code repositories, in fact
>> various projects use it to develop open source
Hi,
for my tablet PC I used a used 32GB FAT32 formatted SDcard. The
formatting was already done by the manufacturer.
Then I screwed it up and had to do the partioning and formatting
myself again. "No big deal", I thought -- and was wrong.
Yes, the "thing" I got could be read and written. But it wa
Alan McKinnon gmail.com> writes:
> On 06/08/2015 11:13, Felix Miata wrote:
> >> Gentoo is not supposed to be easy, but if you'd just followed the
> >> handbook you would have got what you wanted.
> >> Choosing non-defaults breaks the flow, especially when a branch
> >> explanation ends before
2015-08-06 10:34 GMT-06:00 James :
> I think the Handbook is getting better and better. However the
> systemd-openrc choice is something that needs to be explained early in the
> handbook from a neutral prospective. Let's face it, lots of folks become
> interested in Gentoo, often when they hear t
Am 06.08.2015 um 18:34 schrieb James:
> Or, We could also point them to existing gentoo
> derivatives for a test-drive:: pentoo, lilblue, sabayon, calculate etc etc
> first, if we are not going to roll more frequent live* images?
That's not a good idea, at least not regarding Sabayon. They use sy
Jc García gmail.com> writes:
> > I'm not saying push one over the other, but explain and delineate
> > that choice
> > *early* in the handbook. WE owe the larger linux community that wisdom::
> > that gentoo has made peace with systemd and openrc:: imho.
> OpenRC is there on the stage3, systemd
Am 06.08.2015 um 18:59 schrieb Jc García:
> OpenRC is there on the stage3, systemd isn't, if you don't think about
> systemd you get an OpenRC installation, I think it would confuse more
> people to talk about choosing init system(especially noobs) right at
> the beginning of the handbook.
To get
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 16:34:32 + (UTC), James wrote:
> Agreed. But we can (maybe eventually) offer more frequent live versions
> of gentoo, in a canned dvd(w/persistence) so that folks can test-drive
> gentoo, add a few packages and get comfortable before undertaking that
> long and winding manua
On Thursday 06 Aug 2015 09:10:51 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 03:59:44 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> > 1-Distrowatch is what lead me to believe I could do something I wished
> > to do.
>
> Is it DistroWatch that led you to believe that what you wanted wasn't
> the default to start with
On Thursday 06 Aug 2015 18:59:11 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 16:34:32 + (UTC), James wrote:
> > Agreed. But we can (maybe eventually) offer more frequent live versions
> > of gentoo, in a canned dvd(w/persistence) so that folks can test-drive
> > gentoo, add a few packages and get
On Thursday, August 06, 2015 02:59:09 PM Mick wrote:
> On Wednesday 05 Aug 2015 22:47:43 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > On 05/08/2015 23:12, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, August 05, 2015 06:20:17 PM Mick wrote:
> > >> On Wednesday 05 Aug 2015 11:47:58 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > >>> Much of what m
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 19:25:08 +0100, Mick wrote:
> > That's what Gentoo did years ago. You could download a DVD with
> > prebuilt binary packages. It meant you could follow the handbook, but
> > without changing use flags from the default profiles for that DVD,
> > and get a running system in no tim
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 19:17:56 +0100, Mick wrote:
> > Which clearly says ccache not found. That implies you have added
> > ccache to FEATURES but not installed the ccache package. I know, I
> > did the same thing last week.
>
> Probably O/T but why do you need ccache, unless you are rebuilding
> p
On 06/08/2015 20:32, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 19:17:56 +0100, Mick wrote:
>
>>> Which clearly says ccache not found. That implies you have added
>>> ccache to FEATURES but not installed the ccache package. I know, I
>>> did the same thing last week.
>>
>> Probably O/T but why do
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Heiko Baums wrote:
> Am 06.08.2015 um 18:59 schrieb Jc García:
>> OpenRC is there on the stage3, systemd isn't, if you don't think about
>> systemd you get an OpenRC installation, I think it would confuse more
>> people to talk about choosing init system(especially
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 1:17 PM, James` wrote:
> Jc García gmail.com> writes:
>
>> > I'm not saying push one over the other, but explain and delineate
>> > that choice
>> > *early* in the handbook. WE owe the larger linux community that wisdom::
>> > that gentoo has made peace with systemd and ope
On 06/08/2015 18:34, James wrote:
> Alan McKinnon gmail.com> writes:
>
>
>> On 06/08/2015 11:13, Felix Miata wrote:
Gentoo is not supposed to be easy, but if you'd just followed the
handbook you would have got what you wanted.
Choosing non-defaults breaks the flow, especially whe
On 06/08/2015 20:28, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On Thursday, August 06, 2015 02:59:09 PM Mick wrote:
>> On Wednesday 05 Aug 2015 22:47:43 Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>> On 05/08/2015 23:12, J. Roeleveld wrote:
On Wednesday, August 05, 2015 06:20:17 PM Mick wrote:
> On Wednesday 05 Aug 2015 11:47:58 A
On 06/08/2015 18:18, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote:
> Hi,
>
> for my tablet PC I used a used 32GB FAT32 formatted SDcard. The
> formatting was already done by the manufacturer.
> Then I screwed it up and had to do the partioning and formatting
> myself again. "No big deal", I thought -- and was wrong.
On Thursday 06 Aug 2015 21:17:29 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 06/08/2015 18:18, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > for my tablet PC I used a used 32GB FAT32 formatted SDcard. The
> > formatting was already done by the manufacturer.
> > Then I screwed it up and had to do the partioning and for
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 21:53:25 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > I only have it enabled for LibreOffice, which is a regular victim of
> > @preserved-rebuild causing the same version to be rebuilt.
> What sort of improvements do you get? libreoffice here takes about 1h30
> to build, give or take 10 min
Am 06.08.2015 um 22:01 schrieb Rich Freeman:
> You're defining "really systemd-free" in the same sense that the FSF
> defines a "really free" distro (they think Debian FOSS-only isn't good
> enough). Sticking with the base profile should get you an experience
> about the same as what you'd have go
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 22:09:49 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > I think the Handbook is getting better and better. However the
> > systemd-openrc choice is something that needs to be explained early
> > in the handbook from a neutral prospective. Let's face it, lots of
> > folks become interested in G
Am 2015-08-06 um 13:18 schrieb Rich Freeman:
> It isn't necessarily essential, but btrfs fi df /mnt/gentoo will show
> you that before the balance there are still some chunks in single mode
> - it seems like mkfs creates the first device and adds the second one,
> leaving some residual non-RAID ch
On Thursday 06 Aug 2015 22:00:35 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 21:53:25 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > > I only have it enabled for LibreOffice, which is a regular victim of
> > > @preserved-rebuild causing the same version to be rebuilt.
> >
> > What sort of improvements do you get?
On 6 August 2015 at 01:34, Bryan Gardiner wrote:
> Hello list,
>
>
>
> This is the disk:
>
> *-disk
> description: ATA Disk
> product: ST1000LM024 HN-M
> vendor: Seagate
> physical id: 0.0.0
> bus info: scsi@4:0.0.0
> logical name: /dev/sda
> version: 0001
>
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Heiko Baums wrote:
>
> And, no, I won't install any package which is merged into systemd. As
> you mentioned udev, what do you need udev for if you don't use systemd?
> Just install eudev. Works perfectly without any systemd dependency.
>
Like I said - if you want
gmx.de> writes:
> I think the whole thing ipset consists of a kernel configuration
> and a user tool, which is available via emerge. Unfortunately, emerge
> still insists of patching the kernel, which is - according to your
> informations - unnecessary.
oops. I guess I was unclear. Configuring
Mick wrote:
> I was wondering similar questions regarding a 32G flash card I have.
> Using fdisk to partition it the starting sector was automatically
> aligned with 2048 as it fdisk has been improved to deal with 4KB
> sector drives.
>
> However, formatting it with mkfs.vfat I was none the wise
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 22:08:16 +0100, Mick wrote:
> > % cat /etc/portage/env/ccache.conf
> > FEATURES="ccache"
> >
> > % cat /etc/portage/package.env/libreoffice
> > app-office/libreoffice ccache.conf disk-tmpdir.conf
> >
> > And don't forget to emerge ccache ;-)
> Hmm ... may be I should re-enabl
Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 22:08:16 +0100, Mick wrote:
>
> > > % cat /etc/portage/env/ccache.conf
> > > FEATURES="ccache"
> > >
> > > % cat /etc/portage/package.env/libreoffice
> > > app-office/libreoffice ccache.conf disk-tmpdir.conf
> > >
> > > And don't forget to emerge ccach
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 22:00:35 +0100
Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > What sort of improvements do you get? libreoffice here takes about
> > 1h30 to build, give or take 10 mins or so. Doesn't seem worth the
> > extra hassle of ccache for an hour and a half.
>
> It varies, but it can more than halve the t
Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 06/08/2015 20:32, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 19:17:56 +0100, Mick wrote:
> >
> >>> Which clearly says ccache not found. That implies you have added
> >>> ccache to FEATURES but not installed the ccache package. I know, I
> >>> did the same thing last we
On Thursday, August 06, 2015 6:18:59 PM meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote:
> Hi,
>
> for my tablet PC I used a used 32GB FAT32 formatted SDcard. The
> formatting was already done by the manufacturer.
> Then I screwed it up and had to do the partioning and formatting
> myself again. "No big deal", I though
On Thursday, August 06, 2015 6:18:59 PM meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote:
> Hi,
>
> for my tablet PC I used a used 32GB FAT32 formatted SDcard. The
> formatting was already done by the manufacturer.
> Then I screwed it up and had to do the partioning and formatting
> myself again. "No big deal", I though
If I followed the kernel instructions page correctly, its E8400 Core2Duo
wasn't in need of an initrd, and so did not get one. Main deviation from
suggestions/defaults was enabling HPFS filesystems. Result was 6001056 byte
4.0.5. openSUSE Tumbleweed 4.0.5 kernel is virtually identical at 6004656,
bu
On Thursday, August 06, 2015 7:04:27 AM Cor Legemaat wrote:
> On Wed, 2015-08-05 at 01:00 -0400, Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 04, 2015 8:18:43 PM Cor Legemaat wrote:
> > > On Sun, 2015-08-02 at 19:56 -0400, Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, August 02, 2015 11:12:07 PM
On Thursday, August 06, 2015 11:34:56 PM Felix Miata wrote:
> If I followed the kernel instructions page correctly, its E8400 Core2Duo
> wasn't in need of an initrd, and so did not get one. Main deviation from
> suggestions/defaults was enabling HPFS filesystems. Result was 6001056 byte
> 4.0.5. op
On Thursday, August 06, 2015 7:17:56 PM Mick wrote:
> On Thursday 06 Aug 2015 09:10:51 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 03:59:44 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> > > 1-Distrowatch is what lead me to believe I could do something I wished
> > > to do.
> >
> > Is it DistroWatch that led you to
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